Talent!
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- Kuz0
think about what you're saying Mmio, you're contradicting yourself. Isn't Talent and Ability the same thing in certain contexts? Then what seperates it from the "ability" of dedication and the "ability" of motivation? Going down the same linguist dead end there ol' chap.
Kelpie - it can be deconstructed completely because talent is a linguistic construct. Our way of explaining certain things that are exterior to us, and not a fact. As in, you can say "that is a chair in a room" (fact) but not "that is a talent" - because what will you be pointing at? an individual? her work? something inside her brain? these things get tricky
- kelpie0
yeah yeah totally, at no point ahve I said hard work, passion et al is not an issue :)
- Mimio0
Kuz, I said Talent was a different ability from the act of being Dedicated or being Motivated. I didn't contradict myself, I was trying to say that talent, as an expression describes something far more complex in terms of life experience than just the act or doing something as the result of being motivated, dedicated or even obsessed.
- MrDinky0
THX for the compliment
- kelpie0
"Kelpie - it can be deconstructed completely because talent is a linguistic construct. Our way of explaining certain things that are exterior to us, and not a fact. As in, you can say "that is a chair in a room" (fact) but not "that is a talent" - because what will you be pointing at? an individual? her work? something inside her brain? these things get tricky "
thank you dude, I think your talking about terminology & labeling and I'm talking about something else, which I may wrongly label "talent". It's all good though bud, I still loves me Kuz :)
- Mimio0
I think Kelpie is maybe describing how it feels to be talented. You might feel like it's innate because your abilities employ some of the same emotions and skills that you also think define you as a person. Like your abilities as an artist are best expressed when they try to encompass these characteristics.
- kelpie0
I'm not actually - I'm equating talent to the differences in the way people understand their environment visualy (this is why i say that I "wrongly label it talent if were splitting hairs so finely). My mother taught fine art for 35 years and always loked at it this way - I may be wrong, but I just think some folk can do some things better than other and though outside factors have a huga amount to do with it (my upbringing for example), internal factors are also a consideration. I am no good at maths and the like, no head for numbers despite my best efforts, you know what I mean?
- JazX0
Talent is one thing. Making $ and knowing how to sell yourself is another.
- MrDinky0
JazX is right
- Gorbie0
i am the algae in your talent pool.
- mogwai0
i also think its a question of passion more than a question of "natural ability"
nick
(May 25 05, 09:05)yep.
- vb_0
i consider myself extremely talented!
- mogwai0
maybe talent = gay?
has anyone pondered this?
- vb_0
exactly!
- Mimio0
You might want to break out your university philosophy books and rationally deconstruct that expression.
- Gorbie0
i was thinking the same thing mogwai...
talent must be correlated with two males having vigorous anal sex.
- Rand0
all your algees are belong to us
- JazX0
On that note, knowing how to give good BJs always helps. ;)
- vb_0
lol rand
- Kuz0
See again Mmio, you are making nonsensical non-sequiturs. You also keep changing what you're saying (yet again) making your argument hard to follow
Talent IS ability. Saying that talent is a different ability from the ACT of dedication and motivation is nonsensical. It's like saying tangerines are different satsumas to apples. Our arguyment here is that Talent (or ability) derives from these so-called "acts" (motivation, dedication, insight etc.)
For example
1. She has the ability to draw
2. She has the ability to take photographsis the same as
1. She has the talent to draw
2. She has the talent to take photographs.And also, no one is saying talent is an "act" as such. It's an expression to describe a quality we find in someone (usually it is outsiders that say - she is talented). What the consensus seems to be, and what you seem to be arguing against, is that this quality is nurtured through motivation and dedication - and it certainly does NOT exist a priori to it's realisation. (as in someone has lots of talent "within" them, undiscovered until someone comes along and says - look!talent!).
Of course it is more complex than simple "dedication" and "motivation". It is the whole life experience. But the important point to note is that the subject has to experience before talent can be noted. That may include the "experience" of genetics on the individual (i.e having a brain more capable of processing maths - it is still an experience of the subject).