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- Greedo0
http://www.gregpalast.com/rollin…
"Don’t worry about Mickey Mouse or ACORN stealing the election. According to an investigative report out today in Rolling Stone magazine, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast, after a year-long investigation, reveal a systematic program of "GOP vote tampering" on a massive scale."
- ********0
- They all look plain evil and corrupt here.
- "Hey guys, which ever one of you wins, take them to the cleaners and remember me, ha, ha, ha, ha!"********
- "Hey guys, which ever one of you wins, take them to the cleaners and remember me, ha, ha, ha, ha!"
- TheBlueOne0
Um, about that whole "ACORN thing" and the voter registration bullshit? The Supreme Court just sided with the dems:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALe…
No, but go ahead and tell me all about the liberal supreme court...go ahead...
- That doesn't prove anything. They still were registering people multiple times and were letting in early voting.********
- The Supreme Court just stopped the GOP from forcing her to release names.********
- Registering to vote isn't a fucking crime, nor is it fraud. Get that through YOUR THICK FUCKING LIZARD SKULLTheBlueOne
- Still can't change the registration rules 3 weeks before the electionlackofcolor
- typically its only a crime if a vote is placedlackofcolor
- Groups like ACORN somehow are able to register more people to vote than there are adult residents in the counties********
- where they have registration drives.********
- but its up to the polling place to confirm your Identity so it doesn't matterlackofcolor
- Very mature with the name calling. You and the ex-mrdobolina have a lot in common. Amazing.********
- True, it is up to the balloting area, but there is no standard for this, countrywide. And it increases fraud probabilty.********
- Watch Recount, pretty amazing.DCDesigns
- That doesn't prove anything. They still were registering people multiple times and were letting in early voting.
- TheBlueOne0
Look, in response to this dipshit nonsense about the voter registration thing - it isn't and does not meet the legal definition of "voter fraud". Why can't you rightwing dipshits understand this? Unless you are arguing it under false pretenses, which you are.
I just moved a few months back. I registered to vote in my new location. Guess what, my name is probably still on the rolls of where I used to live. Have I committed a crime? Voter fraud? No. Now, follow me here..If say, I vote at my old polling place, or if I was a real dick I voted at BOTH locations - that would indeed make me culpable of voter fraud. Last time I voted at my old residence, my father, now deceased for three years was still on the rolls. I guess he's committing "voter fraud" form beyond the grave according to the definition their using on FOX News.
ACORN collects names. Period. That's it. They have a legal responsibility to A) Turn over EVERY name they get, even if they suspect it's fraudulent.and b) inform/flag the authorities on those they think are suspicious.
You can go and write "Mickey Mouse" on the form and they, by LAW have to turn it over to the election board.
If you show up and try to vote under the fraudulent information you turned in, whether it's through ACORN or any zillions of ways to register to vote - then THAT is voter fraud.
But shit, why let facts get in the way of whatever little voter suppression narrative you want to use.
You know, here's an example of someone committing possible voter fraud:
See, here some poor voter named "Ann Coulter" showed up and voted someplace where she didn't live. See, someone who does that, you see, that's potentially Voter Fraud.
- what a whore. suprised she found time to vote in between spitting on illegal immigrants and bombing abortion clinicslackofcolor
- Definitely also DIRTY...!********
- Yup, just looks like an excuse to purge voter registrations...IRNlun6
- ********0
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2008…
At least he doesn't assume he has it in the bag.
"Don't underestimate our ability to screw it up," Obama said.
Ha, ha, ha! Classic...
- tommyo0
My problem with ACORN is not really the voter registrations. It's the fact that they're an aggressive left wing group that targets minorities and the poor to further their own agenda. Anti-capitalist and pro-socialist by nature they've helped push the irresponsible subprime loans through lawsuits against banks etc etc - which as we know, has now rendered homeless a lot of the people they've exploited. They're pretty hardcore. Now I don't really mind their existence, most of it is completely legal. However, I do think their tactics are distasteful to say the least. If they were really trying to help the people they say they're helping then maybe they'd propose responsibility through solid initiatives. Instead they're trying to force institutions to flex to their agenda without concern of the outcome, and I find it hard to believe they didn't know that the market would flex back thus hurting the people that they're supposed to be helping. If there was a Republican group that were out there exploiting the poor and minority groups to benefit their agendas no matter the cost then levied on the people who trust them then I think we'd all be able to agree that it's not a good thing either. No?
I'm sorry but I really don't believe that the current form of our welfare state does anything but buy voters. We like to think that all these government programs actually benefit the people they're supposed to, but the truth is American poverty levels are at the same basic level that it was before we started the programs - despite trillions and trillions of dollars spent. But we all feel a lot better about ourselves yeah? The only true solution is less government creating less bureaucracy and more economic freedom for everyone - the talking heads won't tell you that though.
- This was the most non-bias article I could find on ACORN. http://article.natio…tommyo
- You are linking an article from the National Review as non biased? lolukit
- Shit if you have something else that refutes it I'd love to read it. I'm all about finding the truth man.tommyo
- ********0
"If there was a Republican group that were out there exploiting the poor and minority groups to benefit their agendas no matter the cost then levied on the people who trust them then I think we'd all be able to agree that it's not a good thing either." Try these guys:
http://www.goarmy.com- I don't support that either. If our gov sense of Imperialism wasn't so misguided then they wouldn't need to advertise, imo.tommyo
- Actually you do support that to the tune of 10 billion a month and 5 K a minute.********
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- that's the chart********
- thats normal because it follows the distribution of income, most people are in the 25000-75000 range********
- that's the chart
- tommyo0
capsize, you really just went off on a tangent. The military is slightly different than exploiting minorities for political gain. I disagree with the advertising that brings the minorities to join the military. But it's not a Republican agenda as much as you might want to label it as such. Military and ACORN are completely different. What is ACORN doing to help the people they've exploited? At the very least the military helps support soldiers who are hurt in the line of duty. When I said I don't support goarmy.com, I mean I do not agree with the philosophy of advertising to minorities to exploit them. Now you've got me running along side you in your tangent argument. But seriously, I know you're dug in and all but can't we all agree that exploiting minorities and the poor for personal agenda are a bad thing? Or is it always going to be the argument that 'well these guys do this and that's wrong,' 'oh well, look at what your guys do, it's completely wrong'...maybe I was the only one who learned that two wrongs don't make a right? Because in my opinion, there is a lot of bullshit flying around that people are trying to justify into extinction based on party affiliation.
- There is no doubt the army, especially in wartime, needs warm bodies. The warm bodies it gets are generally from the underclas. The army does NOT support those injured in battle...casualties are north of 20 thousand********
- underclass. Its exploitation.
The Army does not support injured soldiears as well as it should. Walter Read was a scandal and still is.******** - scandal and still is. We have north of 20,000 casualties of the war. The only good thing about the army is that it is a true meritocracy: gov't mandated.********
- meritocracy. A man or woman can succeed. See Gen Powell for instance. Stooge though he became.********
- No=one , least of all me says exploitation is OK , it isn't. The question is where is it instituitonalized? The way things are? That is our enemy.********
- ... I should post a regular entry.********
- There is no doubt the army, especially in wartime, needs warm bodies. The warm bodies it gets are generally from the underclas. The army does NOT support those injured in battle...casualties are north of 20 thousand
- ukit0
The bottom line with all of this is that the GOP has always tried to discourage minorities and poor people from voting, because they know that most of them will vote for Democrats. There, I summed up the whole thing in one sentence:D
- emmaopeel0
overall, politicians trying to relate to the common man always feels like a bit of a misfit. for example, the current hubub over "Joe": http://www.npr.org/blogs/politic…
- TheBlueOne0
This whole ACORN fracas is simply about attempting to delegitime Obama's victory before it happens
- So you're saying there is absolutely no merit then? I'd love to hear you expand on this line of thinking.tommyo
- _salisae_0
The Chicago Tribune, a newspaper that has not endorsed a Democrat for president since it was founded in 1847 has endorsed Obama. From their editorial:
Many Americans say they're uneasy about Obama. He's pretty new to them.
We can provide some assurance. We have known Obama since he entered politics a dozen years ago. We have watched him, worked with him, argued with him as he rose from an effective state senator to an inspiring U.S. senator to the Democratic Party's nominee for president.
We have tremendous confidence in his intellectual rigor, his moral compass and his ability to make sound, thoughtful, careful decisions. He is ready.
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It may have seemed audacious for Obama to start his campaign in Springfield, invoking Lincoln. We think, given the opportunity to hold this nation's most powerful office, he will prove it wasn't so audacious after all. We are proud to add Barack Obama's name to Lincoln's in the list of people the Tribune has endorsed for president of the United States.
- TheBlueOne0
I had an old ex-girlfriend who's been involved with ACORN for 15 years now. It's the most boring thing in the fucking world. They do good things...allof a sudden it's like they're the second coming of Che Guevara. It's just this year's flavor of Rightwing Boogie men. They need to keep people scared - and if it's not Islamic Terrorists it's socialists and black people.
- BonSeff0
i just heard the most dumb, most water-carrying hag on Hardball just now. Talking about anti-american this and that. I just wish one of those fundies would define 'american' for me. i'm sure their definition would scare the shit out of me.
- BonSeff0
i think the bigger issue about acorn is, acorn itself. the fact that this entity has a market to go out and register people, is a slap in the face to democracy. but nobody wants to go there- cause americans have the right to not give a shit and just go along for the ride... which most of them do... yet every american has an opinion, but chooses not to voice it at the polls.. fuck them all.
- like a true american.lobstarr
- Do you have any fucking clue about how many groupd - left AND right - are out there doing voter registration drives..TheBlueOne
- tommyo0
If ACORN is the 'most boring thing in the fucking world' then I'd hate to see what community activist group isn't boring to you:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/…
http://www.gather.com/viewArticl…
http://trustbutverify.wordpress.…I think ACORN is a pretty relevant topic though. Again, there really isn't a whole lot out there to read about this, you're either going to find yourself in right wing blogs or right wing supported porthole sites. At the very very least, we do know they were a huge proponent of subprime mortgages to risky borrowers - it's the part where they strong armed the banks through threats that is a big deal to me.
Again, this one seems like the most tame and sober account of ACORN:
http://article.nationalreview.co…
