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- BonSeff0
how can acorn be the blame with subprime loans when the last commander in chief ran that message out there - jesus dude
i hate to post this again - but here it goes, and i know it wasnt all GW, but fuckin please! lobbyist own, all the way up.- Oh come on...GW is like a 'Your Mom' joke. You can't just pull it out whenever you want. Tell me about why ACORN isn't it.tommyo
- He's fuckin high anyways...just look at him. He mixed up his talking points memo with Barney Frank.tommyo
- Incredible. So then poor peoplfe appaerntly have all this power and the President and lobbyists have none. Got it.TheBlueOne
- hahaha yeah that's what I said TBO. Lemme know when you're thinking straight.tommyo
- ukit0
ACORN might be relevant to the mortgage situation, but I've yet to hear a coherent argument of why it's relevant to the election.
They are an organization out to register people. Any time you register large numbers of people, there will be some mistakes, period. The GOP points to the mistakes (made by individual people out there on the ground) and tries to get people riled up thinking they are some evil group trying to "steal" the election. If I'm wrong, please explain how.
- TheBlueOne0
But see, to Republicans, there are "anti-Americans" in congress:
This is insane.
- tommyo0
Why is it not relevant to the election? I think if there is one legitimate thing outside the issues that the other side has that is not favoring Obama, this is it. No matter how you want to explain it, he's made friends with some controversial people/organizations.
- controversial usually means isolating figures for advantage.********
- controversial usually means isolating figures for advantage.
- BonSeff0
dude, for real? acorn was a small part of it- they aren't the investors. like i said before, they see a market and exploit it. all these banks that gave out the loans immediately sold them in bunches to foreign investors who bought them up. it was a quick flip. the acorn thing is such a small part of it.
- So why can't they be called 'bad' then? We all know everyone had their hand in the pot. But whytommyo
- do you guys want to give them a pass?tommyo
- I'm asking seriously. No sarcasm, no agenda. I want to know the thought process behind this justification.tommyo
- IM SAYING THEY ARE IRRELEVANT IN THE GRAND SCHEME _ FUCK !BonSeff
- YET THEY ARE THE FUNDIE SPIN SCHEME - JUSUS FUCKING CHRISTBonSeff
- Dude calm down ffs.tommyo
- As they say in mafia fighting, follow the money. You tell me who got the money and who got left bankrupt.TheBlueOne
- It would actually be nice if it was that simple. So the lawsuit against Citibank was for what reason then?tommyo
- From what I'm reading, ACORN and gov forcibly made banks make stupid loans. Which left banks and people at risk.tommyo
- Tommyo, how can banks be forced to do anything?DCDesigns
- hallelujah0
On his talk show on WPHT today, conservative Philadelphian Michael Smerconish endorsed Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.
Smerconish did so by reading a couple paragraphs from his pending op-ed in the Philadelphia Inquirer.
"I've decided," he said. "My conclusion comes after reading the candidates' memoirs and campaign platforms, attending both party conventions, interviewing both men multiple times, and watching all primary and general election debates.
"John McCain is an honorable man who has served his country well. But he will not get my vote. For the first time since registering as a Republican 28 years ago, I'm voting for a Democrat for president.
"I may have been an appointee in the George H.W. Bush administration, and master of ceremonies for George W. Bush in 2004, but last Saturday I stood amidst the crowd at an Obama event in North Philadelphia," says the Republican.
- Cool! He can form "Right-Wingers for Obama!"boobs
- We have a 'Republicans For Obama' sticker on our fridge :)mikotondria3
- BonSeff0
ugh dude. i dont mean to get ALL CAPS on this piss. just do some research on how the money poured in when foreign investors were buying up these subprime notes. it crosses all party lines and zeros into greed. there was a point where the investors saw the fail before the US banks stopped lending. so the money stopped coming in and our US bank hedged and continued to lend. again, greed. and now are asses are handed to us right in the middle of an election, so we are hearing about shit like acorn.. which is laughable.. and i hear you bring it up and i respond in kind.
acorn is not and has never been the cause. ffs.
- besides following the money, follow the timeline. ACORN has been doing this for over a decade. This came about because of the banks and deregulationTheBlueOne
- about because of the banks and derugulation and selling the mortgages as CDOsTheBlueOne
- No it came about because the bubble burst. Tell me that these risky loans would even be talked about if housingtommyo
- was still fine. Banks were forced to make some of these loans. Sometimes the victim IS also to blame.tommyo
- And why did the "bubbleburst"..TheBlueOne
- Lenders got scared and credit flow froze no?tommyo
- ukit0
I guess what I am trying to say is that it should be pretty obvious to everyone that this "voter fraud" thing is a load of BS. Can we at least agree on that? McCain said ACORN was subverting Democracy at the last debate. He knows full well that isn't true.
- boobs0
Yeah, it just showed what a dick McCain is. It would take a million years for ACORN to subvert democracy as much as W has in eight.
- TheBlueOne0
We have several kinds of “fraud” here.
1. Registration fraud. Pay registrars by the signature, and you’ll get a lot of “Mickey Mouse” registrations. Effect on elections: nil, unless Mr. Mouse shows up to vote.
2. Voter fraud. “Mickey Mouse” actually votes. Effect: slight, except in a very tight race or a wildly corrupt district. Think of the organization that you’d need to get, say, 1000 fake voters. Remember, each fake vote is a felony.
3. Vote suppression. This can have a major effect, as we’re talking about thousands to tens of thousands of votes. “Purges” are just one way of doing this — making sure the “wrong” districts have voting machine problems, deliberately underprinting ballots, etc, are others.
4. Vote counting fraud. Here is where you have the real game-changers. Especially with computer-based systems (impossible to audit), you can push things as far as you think you can get away with. Most places allow recounts only if the vote margin is less than a certain percent (Generally 0.5% - 1.5%, from what I’ve seen). Steal more than that, no recount.
Republicans make a great fuss about #1, while claiming (without evidence) that #2 is running wild. Democrats complain about #3 and #4, which can easily shift an election. They’re about as equivalent as jaywalking and armed robbery.
- Also note that even under the BUsh DOJ there were 86 prosecutions for "voter Fraud" in the entire US of A...TheBlueOne
- Well saidukit
- http://www.nytimes.c…TheBlueOne
- tommyo0
haha no offense taken, I know these are heated topics. Just please note that I'm more interested in truth than vilifying any person or organization. The bottom line is that people were given loans they shouldn't have gotten. I'm not saying this is completely organizations like ACORNs fault, because the loan companies and banks made (and lost) a ton of money while all this was going on. There was a TON of greed to go around. I didn't mean to downplay Bush's role in that earlier post because truth be told, I find most of the blame in this situation to belong to the last 16 years of social agenda (gov). But the people who got really hurt here are the people who got those loans and us regular folk. So I'm just trying to figure out why organizations put these unqualified people in the position they're in and it's hard for me not to find blame with the aims of organizations like ACORN. That's all. I just find it really hard to understand why people who are genuine democrat supporters can't seem to say that no matter what the degree of involvement ACORN had in this, that they were wrong and their actions fucked over good people. I'm a big supporter of capitalism and I think the businesses involved in this are wrong. I think government while having ideal, yet misguided goals, were wrong to try and intervene. It just seems like too many people subjugated the fiduciary responsibility of the lending institutions ad I don't think it's that much of stretch to say that ACORN was wrong in what they did. Bottom line, people got placed in shitty loans that there was little to no chance of them being able to keep up on...and then the bubble burst, prices drop, loans default and everyone and their mother was left out to dry.
- Tommy, take an hour and listen to this:
http://www.thislife.…TheBlueOne - Is that the one about the paper market you sent me? I listened to it, but I have this thing where I can't do two things at once ..tommyo
- so I retained about 5% of it. I'll listen to it again it was pretty interesting.tommyo
- whatever bad loans were linked to ACORN is small beer compared to the total volume. Bad, sure, but the system was rotten and many many good people benfitted until they d idn't. Now they cry wolf.********
- Actually, this was an earlier show about the subprime mortgages...excellen... listen..TheBlueOne
- rigged to benefit many, many good people sometimes unknowingly because of mutual funds etc. Now evryone cries wolf? But who's to blame? ********
- wolf? now who's to blame?
The most downtrodden of the losers? The wolf blames the sheep for his hunger.******** - I'll listen to it. I like that you can download these audio clips. Alright I'm out. Work work work.tommyo
- Tommy, take an hour and listen to this:
- ukit0
Interestingly, the Republicans' obsession with "voter fraud" is at the root of the U.S. Attorneys' Scandal (remember that?). Gonzales directed U.S. Attorneys to investigate alleged "fraud," when they refused or it turned out there was nothing there, the Attorneys got fired.
- haha those d-bags. It's kind of like that old saying where if a girl is really worried about you cheating, she's already doing it.tommyo
- BonSeff0
dude, banks would not have loaned the notes if they didn't see an upside. their lawyers were not concerned with acorn OR congress. the upside was too great. i mean, really? is congress gonna take their birthday away? they are freakin banks! ugh. man i really dont think we can argue. i'm just gonna give up
you can win this - in whatever victory you want - go nuts
- gentleman0
these made me laugh...
they really did :(
- ********0
In a nutshell, spot on!
- Nice, a typographic way of bashing McCain. I love it!ukit
- hallelujah0
fuck it
- ********0
McCain reports $4.2 million in 2007 income
WASHINGTON – Republican presidential candidate John McCain's wife, Cindy, reported $4.2 million in income for 2007, nearly $2 million less than she reported the previous year, according to tax returns released by the McCain campaign Friday. Mrs. McCain, who files her taxes separately from her husband, paid $1.1 million in taxes, a tax rate of about 26 percent. She reported nearly $530,000 in itemized deductions.
Out of touch even with Joe the Plummer!
Must be nice!
- ukit0
- ukit0
2800!
- ukit0
NYT: Obama raised over 100 million in September