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- colin_s3
i don't often hope in politics but man it'd be pretty sweet if 2020 saw corbyn as PM and bernie as president and helped the west usher in a new global leftist coalition.
- sarahfailin0
I hope that China IS stalling talks to depress the US economy and make Trump lose the election. Sorry to any adversely affected, but it will be much better in the long term.
- Maybe, but I fear he's just using all this as a distraction, then he'll reverse course, shout victory and the markets go up...making it more likely he'll winformed
- How does one depress the economy through stalling? Stalling does little to economy. Change of tariffs and import export make a difference********
- if you are thinking speculative nature of wallstreet than well anyones guess what algos buy on news. certianly hype and not value********
- I am curious what you think a non trump result economy looks likes? Tariff s and free trade and central banking********
- Honestly I think you have no idea. Except any one blindly not the current fool. Which is scary.********
- pango3
Please stop calling him “Moscow Mitch".
it makes him sad.
The name “Moscow Mitch" was coined after he blocked election security bills that had bipartisan support. The move came right after more warnings were made public about Russia attempting to interfere in the 2020 elections.
- allthethings0
This is a serious indictment against this country. I mean, our politics sucks, our media sucks, and our political media sucks.
I'm not a Sanders supporter (I like Warren, Harris and Buttigieg in that order), but this is just fucking ridiculous. When will the broader public realize that the media are corporate-owned and will always serve their corporate masters' interests first?
- lol @ the question when the taxpayers bailed out the banks and got nothing in returncolin_s
- what a fucking retarded question.ben_
- It's not worth it in the short term, might as well burn the planet.PhanLo
- burn it, it'll grow back thickerFax_Benson
- haha it is quite a serious question. If impact is like 10-15% increase who gets hit the hardest by that? What is there benefit? an idea of living even poorer********
- as the carrot for change? so those fearful about future climate change can keep there favorite vacation spots. when will ppl who are spoonfed media********
- paid for by big(corp/politic) interests calling out other media interests ever see the hypocrisy. But than again warren is your pick********
- what does she represent you find so attractive? Does her principles also reflect to her real life? to me she seems to be trying to glenn beck it network style********
- i actually actually believe sanders is the only fool who believes his drivel. The rest are pretenders riding 15 min of fame and loving the free vacation money.********
- What a stupid question!monospaced
- at least you are finally embracing that clown role mono. bravo!********
- "absolutely no short term economic cost" has to be the dumbest criteria for problem-solving, ever.nb
- db, don’t talk to my you ignorant 3rd grade dropout ... you can’t even make a point or a jokemonospaced
- not a criteria NB. a call to quit talking out of your ass and looking at real cause and effects. of course it would have dramatic cause and effects********
- 16 trillion... who will pay for that. when obamacare was thoguht asinine with a price tag at one (1) trillion and had to ue magic to get its estiamtes down.********
- throwing money and not looking at cuase and effect results in 0 good outcomes except for the sellers.********
- and mono i cant make a joke but you do make a great clown. Loud noise and distractions for entertainment value.********
- the fiscal irresponsibilty is liek wow********
- in your opinion, what short term costs outweigh long term benefits, db?ben_
- hmm in wide open context I'd always say freedom. that is obviously one of my highest values of virtue.********
- But a better question ben is who gets to value what is a short term vs a long term cost?********
- is my idea (hopeful unproven idea of a platform i ran on for 4 year employment that is designed to happen after im not running anymore********
- that promises long term costs over short term denying basic freedoms, of commerce and property rights) really something we should blindly trust in?********
- and is it worth giving up such freedom for "an idea" of security?********
- You might value security more than i do freedom. the difference is i don't ask you to sacrifice anything.********
- Probably Locke 101********
- neverscared2
i thought u are not allowed to clone humans...but this must be a trump clone
- police academy reboot or not.neverscared
- I'll meet you at the Blue Oysterfooler
- Trump's 'do something weird or stupid every half hour so that nobody knows which thing to focus on' tactic isn't working. Early days though.Fax_Benson
- or maybe Cummings has been putting chemicals in his weetabix to turn his brain to soupFax_Benson
- is this a new Police Academy movIE?Krassy
- Alcohol induced dementia?PhanLo
- drgs3
Today is September 9, 2019. Donald Trump is still alive.
- BusterBoy5
Sarah Palin getting divorced... I shouldn't laugh, but LOL. Wasn't she the one that tried to lecture the country on christian family values?
- #ThoughtsAndPrayersBusterBoy
- this has to be a ploy to get back into the news cycle. people had pretty much forgot about her and then this....?capn_ron
- And with the teen daughter pregnancies, she’s hit bingo with the family value hypocrite game.monospaced
- Wonder if she cheated?********
- She looks older than him.********
- Who fucking caresnb
- haha yes! nb********
- people who claim to have morals and ethics based on the bible usually throw a fucking fitmonospaced
- yuekit0
Rosenberg, who earned degrees at Yale, Oxford and Harvard, may be the social scientist for our time if events play out as he suggests they will. His theory is that over the next few decades, the number of large Western-style democracies around the globe will continue to shrink, and those that remain will become shells of themselves. Taking democracy’s place, Rosenberg says, will be right-wing populist governments that offer voters simple answers to complicated questions.
And therein lies the core of his argument: Democracy is hard work and requires a lot from those who participate in it. It requires people to respect those with different views from theirs and people who don’t look like them. It asks citizens to be able to sift through large amounts of information and process the good from the bad, the true from the false. It requires thoughtfulness, discipline and logic.
Unfortunately, evolution did not favor the exercise of these qualities in the context of a modern mass democracy. Citing reams of psychological research, findings that by now have become more or less familiar, Rosenberg makes his case that human beings don’t think straight. Biases of various kinds skew our brains at the most fundamental level. For example, racism is easily triggered unconsciously in whites by a picture of a black man wearing a hoodie. We discount evidence when it doesn’t square up with our goals while we embrace information that confirms our biases. Sometimes hearing we’re wrong makes us double down. And so on and so forth.
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The irony is that more democracy—ushered in by social media and the Internet, where information flows more freely than ever before—is what has unmoored our politics, and is leading us towards authoritarianism. Rosenberg argues that the elites have traditionally prevented society from becoming a totally unfettered democracy; their “oligarchic ‘democratic’ authority” or “democratic control” has until now kept the authoritarian impulses of the populace in check.
Compared with the harsh demands made by democracy, which requires a tolerance for compromise and diversity, right-wing populism is like cotton candy. Whereas democracy requires us to accept the fact that we have to share our country with people who think and look differently than we do, right-wing populism offers a quick sugar high. Forget political correctness. You can feel exactly the way you really want about people who belong to other tribes.
- i think you might see things differently if you dont look through the lense of the idea of "democracy" that you look at it as collectivist vs individual********
- i mean the whole pretense of right wing populism is completely possible as left wing populism gaming on nationalism collectivism.********
- what exactly does he define as the differenc e in nature of right wing populism vs democracy?********
- and remember as socrates said democracy is nothign but mob rule. Not a very enlightened thing in of itself.********
- does left wing populism differ in your sugar high analogy? for the authors education merits he could have leanred far more cheaper in a public library********
- but checkin source i couldnt get to the root with pay walls. could be rosenberg is being misintrepreted. or being politicized... more liely latter with********
- obvious part bias.and i find it hard for any intellectual to apply such meanings to democracy. ie Compared with the harsh demands made by democracy, which requi********
- res a tolerance for compromise and diversity... uh no it doesnt and completely wihtout base. IE TRUMP if you will********
- when the best citation is this https://www.research…********
- i really judge editorial quality control.i obviously see a ton of bias.. i guess im just not sure how you do not********
- Meh, a book by the same name came out years ago, sensationalism. Yawn.robotron3k
- @deathboy He's saying democracy practiced correctly requires those things (compromise etc), but in reality most people don't care about that.yuekit
- And so once you remove the filter of the media, they just vote for someone like Trump who tells them they are right about everything and doesn't care aboutyuekit
- classical liberal values that the country was founded on, or rule of law.yuekit
- lol at deathboy shitting on this mans education credentials, implying that his public library studies are superior. Derp.monospaced
- And sure it could apply to left-wing populist as well like a Hugo Chavez etc. Just that right wing happens to be the much bigger trend right now.yuekit
- The media always frames it as if people were "forced" to vote for Trump due to economic circumstances etc... but what if the opposite is true and Trump isyuekit
- just the default kind of candidate that a lot of people will vote for without the media manipulating them into voting for Mitt Romney or whoever.yuekit
- @yuekit you say remove filter ppl vote trump but you might as well say obama as well. I agree totally with you ukit. just not on the partisan lines********
- your average voter has no idea of any values, any philosophy and motivated solely on self interest sold. I actually think the left wing is the trend now********
- i think right normally sells fear and promise of abstract security from physical harm. Terrorism isnt a big sell these days. however domestic terrorism and********
- economic fear and stability is the sell. why there is like 20 people running on platforms all about giving free shit. id actually say the left is all the sell********
- And ukit i agree i think... trump won without media manipulation. but i don't think it was trumps values, but his competitors. fuck the status quo. lets take********
- a chance on change. I'm not sure I have ever met a person who said i believe in trumps word. I find people who like him realize the politcal lie********
- you say dumb shit and dont follow through and run the obama hope train what does happen works in your favor. i do think especially outside********
- major cities and indoctinating college towns common sense and age is still too strong for this election of these MMT democrats promising endless debt********
- still a little too much common sense. eventually we will get a Xi. but not in the next election.********
- There is stuff in the article that is good, but i do see a bias in conclusions that are easily proved false. I also see persuasion or social engineering********
- the use of democracy. any intellectual knows the limits of democracy. Never does it mention rule of law in a democratic state. Also i find the last 2 paragraphs********
- to be at odds with each other "in the post" the first seems to display the problems of democracy while the next applauds it but blames faults in right wing********
- populism... again behind pay wall and cant for certain tell what is what or cited, just based on what i can read.********
- i think you might see things differently if you dont look through the lense of the idea of "democracy" that you look at it as collectivist vs individual
- ********1
Dumb arguments.
- What is it with Republicans and hate for book deals.inv
- 10 million = 1%? LOL
geez people really can't comprehend how much the 1% has...pango - Inv, Books are the devil! There's only one book you need to read and that is the Holy Bible!PhanLo
- Do you expect a poor person to solve this problem?nb
- Good grief. I swear voters include some of the dumbest people on the planet. Smart people vote, too, but dumb people are the politician's bread and butter.nb
- This would only be an argument if she didn’t pay and disclose her income taxes and book deal details.monospaced
- Maybe if she pulled a trump, lied about it and hid it from public while boasting about not paying taxes this could be an argument. But she’s not.monospaced
- i'm with mono, she didn't hide anything as the idiot president did and still does. he's even making business deals while president, c'mon.renderedred
- By these numbers she isn't necessarily the 1%.ben_
- By these numbers Ryan is a stupid fucking retard and so are all of his followers who believe his nonsense.monospaced
- lol mono.ben_
- id be more concerned with her work history. she seems compelled against working. paying for schooling across broad subjects on guessing husbands dime...********
- and her "law" practices hardly seem to respect any law. shes like that bit crazy person in a film who always says theyre gonna be big jumping from one thing********
- to the next that refuses to accept theyre jsut not great. they cant even pull a rudy. shes actually a lot like trump, although inferior on practical experien********
- all lawyers respect the law in practice, by definition, so there's no substance to questioning her law practicesmonospaced
- there's absolutely nothing about her history or work experience that is questionable, as you're implyingmonospaced
- all lawyers... haha. u r funny without makeup or fake noses mono********
- Mono you gotta understand deathboy is a philosopher. He is above the law.pango
- zaq12
- colin_s-3
the biggest cringe i get from republicans going after warren / harris / biden is that it's so much easier to hit these fucks from the left but instead for whatever* reason they'd rather be conservative and barely get a point across while sounding like a local access commercial for a redneck mayoral candidate in who-gives-a-fuck alabama
* i know what the reasons are but so does everyone else
- ********-2
ukit what bugs you the most about republicans and the right? Cant shake this feeling you are a bit team biased. You actually remind me a bit of my old CD from the south. He went to a fancy private school came up really liberal, but dad is super R team and I believe religious with how much he despises religion... He is political to a point where popular views of party are questioned to the point its not abstract and real action is needed. Than typically folds and says well neither party has the solution, which i agree with. Although its a bit of a fake retreat. cake and eat i too for belief. I think his party issue is more directly a father issue and religion... not saying yours is but i see a strong bias a lot. If i was to guess it isn't a hang up on anything, accept you want to do good. But you believe certain methods don't provide good, and or understand will never provide the idea of good you seek. Which creates a sub par worldview. And disconnect and juggle between values and what you hope to see.
Does that seem close in introspect? Totally different? Misconstrued your values? Just something I'd thought I'd ask, not sure if I have, maybe better approach to understanding. Talk from soap boxes with assumptions but never really ask why initial thinkings.
- Why are you singling me out? You're making it sound like it's wrong to have an opinion when basically everyone does.yuekit
- First Republican president I'm old enough to remember is Bush. After that Trump. Do I really need to explain anymore? :)yuekit
- singling you out because curious. I do see partisan bias and curious if you see it or why?********
- bush 1 or 2. And is bush the standard of measurement of party affiliation?.********
- and i know everyone has opinion. myself included. you make rationale arguments.why shouldn't i try to understand your views?********
- im am very curious why you think objectively you prefer right vs left. i think to really understand its more than candidate based. that is merely representative********
- curious what values you affiliate the right with that you disagree with and what value the left have u argee with. personally you seem argumentatively less********
- partisan but seem a need to choose one over the other despite any value in the activity. So curious what values drive you for your choice side dish.********
- I think there is a deep divide in the U.S. culturally, racially, etc. Republicans are the party of culturally conservative whites.yuekit
- If you are a minority, if you live in a big city, are not religious, you're probably not a Republican. Might sound like I'm being biased or negative butyuekit
- in reality you see the same thing in basically every country in the world. The culturally conservative ethnic majority is the right-wing party.yuekit
- So coming from a background of being none of those things, it seems almost ridiculous to consider voting for Republicans, especially sinceyuekit
- they are going down this path of being openly racist and hostile to anyone who is different from them.yuekit
- lolmonospaced
- Deathboy I think you're on to something, shit tons of liberals have an Oedipus complexrobotron3k
- no its not that at all like that robo. i actually respect ukit. i think its a culture thing and what we see and what we respond too.********
- but ukit you didn't describe any party values. i will agree with your demographic hypothesis and especially sicne billions of dollars have been pumped to fuel********
- those sentiments. not all but most, some people smarter and dont fall into the media portrayals. Not sure basing party lines on .. are those the "values"...********
- being white?.. i think race card in politics is well long in the tooth and reinforcing with sterotypes. yes rich people dont like poor immigrants********
- and rish white people love to run for office out of some ego failing prey on poor minorities to fuel hate for their votes.********
- its funny when you step back and look and also so fuckin sad. its 2019 that race bait shit needs to go to bed. as a thought experiment ukit if it went********
- away what would be the difference between the parties? if race not an issue is it purely economic class? Is it basic robin hood. steal from rich give to the********
- poor? where real values comes into play and real rights for governing. limited gov would benefit your racial qualms i believe, especially considering thigns********
- minimum wage, welfare, and other programs designes specifically to hold people down. should look at indian tribes that said fuck gov money and buitl casinos********
- and personally ukit i think you put a little too much into party lines. party is a soap opera at this point with no meaning. tocqueville said it best.********
- no offense. everyones opinions and that. dont think you take offense but sometimes have to say it. i do appreciate the response though********
- You say it's sad that race bait shit still exists and then ask what's wrong with Republicans. As if Trump didn't build his entire campaign around raceyuekit
- and identity politics. This abstract ideal of limited government is very far from the actual Republican party that exists today.yuekit
- but see yuekit you are only seeing one side. ignoring the billions spent by the left to portray that image. or even the role the politics play in it********
- Of course before Trump there were plenty of issues I had with Republicans such as foreign policy, or their terrible record on civil liberties.yuekit
- does the left not cater to identity politics? personally i find both shit. no party of principles. just teams and those memebrs will for self interests as********
- any wallstreet trader will chase any advantage and gain or ideal that nets their pockets regardless of "greater good"********
- But it now seems to have transitioned into being a party based entirely around culture war issues.yuekit
- i just get the impression you might be culturally going for one team a bit blindly. your only team "value" was anti white adage.********
- and if i havent said it enough i think trump and his methods were terrible. i want to think he is dumb af but he played so many ppl so well********
- But yeah I find it a little silly this idea that I'm biased as if I have to keep an open mind forever no matter how terrible one of the options is.yuekit
- also still waiting to see how this trade war goes. blantant calls to fed.. its so unprecedented. he does knwo tv and so few realize how there favorite "reality"********
- shows are scripted and engineered. he may be bringing that elemnt to the presidential stage. again neil postman...********
- but im off on a tangent. would you liek limited gov ukit? small in hands off on most things liek health insurance, marriage, etc....********
- sorry i didnt know you were posting... waited a bit********
- i think you are boased to the party line. You can see foreign policy and civil liberty issues differ along party lines. I'd guess you actually like donald trump********
- foreign policy over obamas or even hilary clintons********
- Instead of backing a party why not just back the policy? ditch chasing stereotypes. just pure policy. a bit like the economist not having bylines********
- they knwo the work is sometimes a collab, or a diverse set of opinion ,uch liek politics and instead of tying it to a name or team you have to decide for********
- yourself on the policy or what it is instead of doing that stereotype human grouping thought shit.********
- do you really not think you have no biased as far as parties are concerned?********
- I'm just reacting to the political situation as it actually exists in the U.S. If this was some other country and you had a different right and left I mightyuekit
- have a different opinion. For instance I used to live in France and I don't think the current president is wrong to try to reform some of the labor lawsyuekit
- Of course I do pay attention to the policies but what are the good and thoughtful policies that Trump has implemented?yuekit
- No not a fan of his foreign policy either. It just seems like imperialism by another means with the trade wars and demanding other countries do what he wants.yuekit
- And in general the idea of "nationalism" is something I'm very much against. I think it should be easier for people to immigrate and trade around the world.yuekit
- i agree with the last statement 100%. the problem with that is current safety net policy and wether a ecosystem can handle it. politicians have created quite********
- big knots i don;t think can be unraveled do to the social nature of things. policies trump has implemented personally....hmm its a tough one********
- i guess the biggest for me and personally reflected is the tax code stuff. i have always known it unfair for state/mortgage tax reductions********
- and lowering the rates help me being SP. the role back on obamacare also help me and rolling back rules regarding short term healthcare********
- i had a bitchin policy for 100 mo i was covered globally up to 2 million for any medical issue. i think it was april 2016 obamacare********
- changed that and the company left the market as well as most. and I was left with like 3 companies in my state where I had like 12-16 before. United and********
- some fly by nights which worked as non profits collecting dues on top ... really strange.. I think he started strong with the FAA de-regulation but got killed.********
- I think he has instilled some backbone in people again. in the JFK its not what your country can do for you sense. I think sometimes he talks about issues like********
- immigration more truthfully, however with partisain spin.and for perspective im thinking of how rural american being centralized to city states and dying off.********
- in as much effect domestically i think we are also seeign that globally especially looking at the UK and we are a light looking at shit below us********
- even we have successfully used immigration to help destabalize countries and politics. without a doubt immigration is a threat to stablized economies.********
- obama did the smile and the talk points and deport a shit ton of ppl.... i dont know if i like that style personally... sometimes i wish trump would use it********
- I also can't help but feel something is in play not privy to media. something we have been strugglin to fight which is our debt and reserve currency status********
- china since 2000 has insanely used its currency to buy up assets and manipulate third worlds... similar to way we do with IMF... and im still just watching it********
- play out through trade. which sucks for those effected, but i think if clinton won we'd be doing the regular USA fuckin back to back WW champ shit********
- and be into iran or russia as proxies to hope winnie the poo economy collapses under him. the world runs on money more than popular liberal causes.********
- and i find trumps insane methods of madness intriguing vs the status quo. Reminds me a bit chomsky cold war era. I have NO idea wether it will work, or what********
- players are actually in play but it's interesting. i also dont put it past him with background to be faking all the fed drama********
- he's an entertaining politician which disgusts me our politics have come down to but hey again neil postman, predicted it, nailed it.********
- and the only time i ever voted was last election for gary johnson. he gave it a good shot. losing campaign but a vote was like a high five for effort.********
- which brings up a good point. what do you think of bill weld. intelligent, historian buff, charismatic, but i cant help think he isn't principled.********
- or is because he is running as an R just no good? Socially liberal fiscally conservative... just not sure how'd he beat the war drums.********
- and last thing i want to do is finally go in on this super inflated assets economy on a home and have some country drop bombs on it. hope to stay first world********
- until i die or at least get cancer of something. Than drop the bombs and go all out********
- I'm sure Bill Weld would be a huge improvement over Trump, but realistically does he stand any chance at all?yuekit
- He has to beat Trump in the primary right? Republican voters support Trump by something like 90%, and the GOP is even cancelling some of the state primaries.yuekit
- In this arena not really. Its a jerry springer audience cheering for anyone more over the top and trump has that xp down. what is sense and sensibility amongst********
- such a crowd. think biden will pull it and trump will run or not based on futures. a weld vs biden would pull us back to the regular status********
- ppl not shouting ill make this happen through executive order and the nonsense that got trump elected. media will be pissed though********
- recent years politics is cool, viewers up, is like socially progressive man..you know to support parties THE party and like save the planet ...man********
- ********0
- 18 years some some people did a thingGnash
- she's a fucken cunt.BusterBoy
- yep... just some airplanes... out doing 'something'PonyBoy
- is she someone ppl knows? heard of the nytimes but not her... is this shit only to fuel traffic and name recognition in hopes of "viral"********
- or is she trying to make a joke for relevance taggin to profile with more credibility... in conclusion i'd say its similar to a fart on an elevator.... which i********
- probably share since im a bit juvenile when it comes to dropping beef on elevators, but its not news its ent.********
