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- ukit0
- bitPic0
DESTROY THE IMAGE!
- Centigrade0
Richard Dawkins is a God.
- iCanHasQBN0
it's 2010.
are we still talking about "gods"?
- ukit0
If the End Times does arrive it's not just atheists and agnostics but lots of people that will be in trouble. I don't think it says anywhere that believing in a false God is better than believing nothing or being undecided - in fact, the opposite is probably true.
That means all non-Jesus faiths including Jews, Buddhists, Sunnis, Shias, Hindus, Pagans, Native American religions, traditional Chinese religions, and Rastafarians are pretty much screwed. Add all these groups up, and you've got, give or take, about 4.5 billion people, two thirds of the world, including pretty much all of Asia and the Middle East, that will be headed to the toasty fires of Hades when Jesus shows up.
But this might be lowballing it actually because even within Christianity, many preach anyone outside their sect is damned to hell if you go with the orthodox version. If you're Catholic, for instance, that would include all 30,000 sects of Protestantism. Don't even get me started on Mormonism or Scientologists like Tom Cruise.
- bitPic0
I laugh at how people think will all be in the same place when we die.
I laugh at how these weird christian's think i'd wanna be with them in some "heaven" if i won't hang out with a girl that isn't hot what are the chances for them, or someone with my interests and conciousness ...
when i tell these idiots you only go to God cause he knows everything and has everything and when they say "Yup" i feel sick how that doesn't bother them... It's pretty much usage and a guy going up to a hot girl cause she's hot.
- BRNK0
Georges, I whole-heartedly agree that dominionism is terrifying! But you didn't say "dominionism". You said "bat shit crazy" and in my book, slaughtering a group of people because of their religion is crazy. You're being condescending and inflammatory, as well as making a fair number of assumptions about me and my beliefs in your accusations.
I find no viable reason to exclude religious thought from the same evaluative process we use to determine whether an idea is a good one or a bad one in literally every other venue. Part of what I dislike about religion is the fact that it can be leveraged so effectively to divide people, much like race and class. I don't discriminate against people for things they have no sway over. I'm simply not afraid to call a bad idea a bad idea. Religion is a bad idea.
- btw, not being able to disprove god means nothing. You can't disprove santa claus or poseidon.BRNK
- if you ever hear a christian call other christian bat shit crazy, you should automatically know he's talking about the dominionistGeorgesII
- you compare religion with organised movements, that is the problem, you should be free to believe in anything or in nothingGeorgesII
- Dude. Respond in a full post, you keep getting cut off.BRNK
- GeorgesII0
the really scary part with the evangelist
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- BRNK0
Georges
I wasn't ranting. You claimed, and I quote "only in US christian are bat shit crazy, have you ever wonder why? you don't in korea, you don't see it in Irak, you don't see it in belgium nor italy, you only see crazy christians in the USA. this is the problem". I was merely pointing to events in history that disprove your statement, which still stands as bullshit.
In the second paragraph of you argue against your own argument. It seems that you'll not only argue with me all day, but argue with yourself all day as well.I never accused you of being responsible or guilty of anything, there's no need to be defensive, unless you feel I'm willfully misrepresenting history (I assure you, I'm not).
- so far that I know only the US have a dominionist theology
http://en.wikipedia.… , that is what I find scary, if you never heard of it, its time to look in your backyardGeorgesII - heard of them, its time to look in your backyardGeorgesII
- better link
http://en.wikipedia.…GeorgesII
- so far that I know only the US have a dominionist theology
- GeorgesII0
The thing I find most ironic in your accusation/rant BRNK
is that I just spent the day fixing some problem in the next UAAR (the official italian atheist union movement) website, that I also redesigned btw,
also our company went through some serious shit last year for doing the italian version of the UK campaign, "God doesn't exist".
where I work we respect everyone no matter if they believe in fairy tells or not,
we don't discriminate, I personally don't, so shouldn't you too
- JazX0
- ukit0
Hey gramme, thanks for the reasoned response man. In retrospect I probably should have omitted the last line of that post as it was needlessly provocative. The bottom line is of course that we don't know and will NEVER KNOW, absent Jesus returning to Earth in which case I will happily eat my words.
Anyway, you provide some interesting historical context. I'd add one thing though, I don't think any of this means you need to reject the moral principles that are in The Bible - many of them, especially in the New Testament are positive things that we all agree on. The question I have is whether these things would have sprung up independently of religion. Think about the huge difference in philosophy between the West and the Muslim World for instance. Would those two cultures have naturally settled into those different paths or did it require religion to do it?
- Meeklo0
what's out with all these insults from random people?
Why is there a need to bring hate to this? I was commenting on a good documentary that focuses on a small group of religious fanatics, that happen to be christian, (in their own eyes at least).I never insulted anyone in here, just make sure you read and think before doing something like that.
- GeorgesII0
BRNK
You make the same usual error as every atheist, to compare christianism with the catholic church or any evangelic denomination.
Half of them don't know the bible, like most atheist never even read the origin of species...
My faith is personal, I grew up in a family where we had the choice to believe or not
and actually I found my faith at a late age.you point at examples and englobe billions of believers out there. A killing is a killing no matter who does it, you can pinpoint it to a particular group or faith, people that commit atrocity are murderers, punto e basta, they can be muslims, buddhist, daoist, new agers, christians, methodist, evangelist, mormons, masons, lutherans, atheist [...] at the end of the day they are murderers.
you pointing some rehashed history and the usual "CRUSADES" and gives me the "you have a selective memory", like I'm suppose to take the blame everytime a christian from any denomination kills someone, I don't even want to argue how shallow your point is,
btw: the crusade weren't started by christians, but by the catholic church, know your history as they say...as of the evidence of a god, you can't disprove it so do you want to go into that stupid debate. I died enough time to know better.
another thing, I can prove to you that Charles Darwin was an inbraid wich married his first cousin, that his entire family were inbraid who intermarried, that doesn't his theory of evolution is invalid, it just means if he lived today where everyone is so bright, they would have equated him to tea baggers, redneck, wtv is trendy today.
btw where are you trying to go with your rant? I could argue all day with you, but if you want to release some heat just go here and watch this.
http://www.qbn.com/topics/617960…- Pure obfuscation. Catholics are christians, they believe in christ.BRNK
- Please just stay quiet, you don't see the difference between an organisation and a believe system, just be quietGeorgesII
- well it is a sort of meta organization. you make the same error in assuming that atheism isn't a multi-tendency platformspifflink
- BRNK0
GeorgesII, you claim about only US christians being crazy if fucking bullshit. How about the Sabra and Shatila massacre in 1982, in which Lebanese christians massacred thousands of muslim civilians? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sab… ) Do I even need to point to the historical elephant in the room. *cough* The Crusades.
Not only do you have a selective memory, you're making a virtue out of believing something without any evidence (and in fact the presence of substantial evidence against this particular idea, even by your own definition) ...which in any context apart from religion is referred to as ignorance.