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- baseline_shift0
how does the OTO feel about—ya know—the green stuff?
- francoisfido0
'a general theory of magic' by marcel mauss
is a great primer on this stuff....crowley is mostly entertainment, although i thought parts of 'magick in theory and practice' & some of his little essays were quite good. but then you may as well read eliphas levi, cornelius agrippa, paracelsus, john dee, et al. as well.
- harlequino0
One of the things to point out about any Thelema based or Magick based streams of thought, is that they generally recognize themselves as only being one of any number of paradigms through which to focus thought, intent, or other energy. Phil Kline, who writes about this from the Chaos Magick angle (which is kind of like the punk rock of the Thelema world) said that hey - you can look at the world through the lens of science, religion or whatever kind of morality or world explanation you want. It's still just a lens, as all this is. These people choose to use because it frequently tends to work. And, to be honest, it's more fun, and pisses off fundamentalists of other creeds.
Point is, people involved in it, never take themselves to seriously. At least not the ones I know.
- francoisfido0
cultivating a healthy interest in the occult, as a backdoor into broader theological and social studies is one thing. i would posit that belonging to a contemporary magickal order is another.
- Yeah because a church makes so much more sense.harlequino
- did i say that it was?francoisfido
- You sidelining a stream of thought because it seems kooky to you. So in a way, yes you have.harlequino
- but, you don't have any idea of my views on the church...
what are you saying?francoisfido - that contemporary magickal order is nothing but a study group.scarabin
- You're suggesting that serious interest in this is somehow a problem or wrong in someway.harlequino
- And that it's out of step with a mainstream or sensible viewpoint. "Church" is a pretty mainstream thing, yeah?harlequino
- I use church as an example, but you can connect the dots from there I hope.harlequino
- you pay?
you do old OTO rituals?
what does it give you a library wouldn't? dogma?francoisfido - a serious interest i'm all for.
i just don't understand why belong to the OTO when you can learn for yourself...francoisfido - no dogma, it provides fraternity, study assistance, and yes, the ability to do group ritualscarabin
- there's a separate thing called argentum astrum which is the same thing but solitary. happy?scarabin
- "Ritual" as a concept is fundamental to all life communication. No real difference here.harlequino
- and yes, the oto has dues, which pay for the lodge space and supplies, and all financial info is made publicscarabin
- Fuck, marketing meetings are rituals for pete sake.harlequino
- harlequino, i know what a ritual is, thank you. we should all be better off writing our own rather than subscribing to the archaic.francoisfido
- digdre0
don't go with your wife, they wanna switch her for 20cammels
- scarabin0
ooookay.
someone asked me about it and i gave info. i'm absolutely 100% NOT preaching here, i'm not telling ANYONE it's "the way", i'm not making any claims to ANYTHING. i don't even talk about it unless someone asks.
i don't give a shit what anyone else thinks about it, i personally think a lot of it is utter bullshit, but on the other hand there is a fucking ton that can be gained from it.
- i was being genuine with my inquiry. Im glad for the brief breakdown. (couldnt be too much wackier than the Catholicism ive been fed my whole life)baseline_shift
- ive been fed my whole lifebaseline_shift
- son0
- scarabin0
you're right about the solar thing, georgesii. even the story of jesus is a solar story. he rises, he falls, then rises again.
in the OTO we greet the sun in a special way thrice daily.
my pseudonym "scarabin" is a solar reference
- akrokdesign0
"Ancient Egyptian culture has been of the richest of cultures on this planet, in my opinion."
Wasn't the Roman's richer as they took..well steel from both the Greeks and Egyptains.
- son0
- nikdaum0
Wasn't just the Egyptians that had all the workings of a modern society, think Sumer, Babylon, etc.
- morilla0
and also....
"OTO and most other Thelemic based groups still revolve (as far as i know) around the concept "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." Basically putting the onus of life and the power to change all things on you and your choices, and not outside 'divine' forces. The crux of the philosophy."
For those who study religion, this statement is very close to the core fundamentals of Satanism. Just sayin'......
- what is Satanismson
- True. Satanist fundamentals ain't that bad. But you also have to accept Christ to be a Satanist for real.harlequino
- And I dont. So, you know..no big whoop.harlequino
- Who is Satan?son
- ...ceiling_cat
- son0
- francoisfido0
scarabin,
Right-hand path or left-hand path?- all roads lead to orderson
- right, of coursescarabin
- wtf are you talking about, son?scarabin
- no matter the path, chaos will come to order. left hand is only doin the opposite of if need be, like takin a lifeson
- ...ceiling_cat
- son0
http://www.rappersiknow.com/medi…
it’s the return of the black moors with no fez
it’s eerie like that documentary on lisa lopez
pentagrams pyramids conspiraspicies with goat heads
knock down the levees
knock down the projects
start another project
build another object
a drive thru touchscreen doctrine for me to digest
just horses with our blinders on
drivin’ by the obvious
ridin’ by the obvious
glidin’ by the ovbious
regardless who you vote for
if the mind dont grow
and the poverty line don’t go
but the dope keep coming
and the tv keep flashing images of a
sports car
then you bound for a coke war
the meek get clowned by the coke law
the sheep get drowned in the folklore
then lulled to sleep by tom brokaw
what a pitty
the hope on a politicians tongue
never ever trickles down the city
so if a nigga put a presidents mask on
and run up in the bank with a mac saying gimme
i aint glad at him
but i aint mad at himif anybody ask you who i be
say
a painter with a felt pen who Drew Ali
im like cassius when i blast molasses
out the ass of the masses
from fulton street mall to gratiot
im handin out free at last kits“yo jay where ya staff at?”
“Green (Lantern) said you threw it”
yeah.
i outgrew itsome blogs said “you blew it”
nigga fuck yo blogjigga man said you cant knock the hussle dog
im on the same launchin pad that shot russel off
thats why i stay dougie- the sheep get drowned in the folklore
then lulled to sleep by tom brokawstyleplus_amillion - this is the most retarded thing i've read in weeks.scarabin
- the sheep get drowned in the folklore
- son0
- that's not ROMAN'S they chasing away. it's the FRENCH.akrokdesign
- they?son
- son0
- son0