BP oil spill
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- ukit0
Only problem I have with that graph is that you could easily take the wrong impression that graph that Americans somehow lead dramatically more wasteful lives than people everywhere else. If you look at oil usage per capita instead of per country though, you get a pretty different picture:
http://www.nationmaster.com/grap…
Turns out America is actually #23 out of all countries, and not really that different from Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, or Australia.
And Canada, Ireland, Singapore, Saudi Arabia are all much worse than the U.S. We're wasteful obviously, and something needs to change, but I think it helps to understand that the huge chunk of world usage in the first graph is really due to the fact that we're the largest wealthy industrialized country. Other rich countries are just as bad, they just happen to have less people.
- instrmntl0
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Gulf Oil Spill: Tony Hayward Attends Glitzy Yacht Race As Oil Spews Into Gulf- Such a tabloid head, look at the choice of words. Altho Hayward is taking the fucking piss now...********
- Such a tabloid head, look at the choice of words. Altho Hayward is taking the fucking piss now...
- georgesIII0
too tired to think in english right now but iìll try,
let say most of the 20 first countries are either island or countries that have severe weather that oscillate between the extreme hot to extremely cold,
es: singapour, kuwait, qatar, etc are countries that consume more energy because the weather is too warm to keep anything fresh so they must run air con constantly (jk, but it is kinda true) and other appliances to keep it cool. My first summer in seoul, I almost died because of how warm and humid it was.you have the islands who depend mostly on imported goods thus they will necessarily consume more energy, they're not connected to any other land and most them depend on a heavy amount of gas/oil to have a decent lifestyle. e.g virgin island, antilles, faroe island, iceland, etc
another example is canada and groenland, winter can last up to 8 month is some parts and you need to keep warm, you know if you want to survive.
now we have Luxembourg, hmmmm they're freaking rich, they just don't give a damm :)
to really evaluate the oil consumption, we should see in what mode the oil imported or produced is used not just the consumption pro capita.
and example is virgin island, don't you think their tourism industry pushes their consumption way high?
http://www.un.org/special-rep/oh…- sorry for the broken english
it is almost 2 am I'm going to bedgeorgesIII
- sorry for the broken english
- georgesIII0
a better sorted list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis…
- ukit0
Yeah actually I agree with the overall point you're making. It's the overlying structural and geographic issues that are behind a lot of these differences.
Canada for instance, is cold like you said, but it's also much more spread out than most countries, so you gotta think they spend a lot more on transport costs in terms of oil. But that's also true of the U.S., which is much less densely populated than most of Europe, also we don't have the nice public transport you see in many European countries.
All I was saying is that looking at that original chart you might get the idea that the U.S. alone is bleeding the world's oil dry when that's far from the case. They should have put Europe in there which would have been a close second to the U.S. and ahead of China. It's hard to get exact stats b/c everyone uses different measurements, but going off the government's official numbers here: https://www.cia.gov/library/publ…
U.S. = 19.5 million barrels of oil/ day
EU = 14.3 million barrels/ dayOf course, that's only EU, if you add in the rest of Europe (Norway, Switzerland, etc), there's about another 2 million/ day. So I guess no matter how you slice it Europe is better and more efficient than U.S. and Canada - but not by such a massive amount.
- points taken,
* takes down drgss's poster "die america die"georgesIII - Don't get me wrong, the situation is still pretty bad. You go out to American suburbs, and until recently anyway, everyone at least had two cars, one of which was probably an SUV.ukit
- least had two cars, one of which was probably an SUV.ukit
- points taken,
- utopian0
BP's Safety Record
- detritus0
Thank goodness I don't live in Gibraltar any more.
I suspect their number has as much to do with their massive fuel bunkerage facilities serving a worldwide market and airport serving southern Spain as anything else (including their overreliance on UK-Export goods). Still, if anything, it shows you how interdependent countries' oil consumption habits are.
As a Euro, I rely on high Chinese consumption for my cheap goods and high Yankee consumption for my media and tech goods - doesn't matter how small a part these play in my day to day life, I still rely on them.
We're all guilty, is what I'm trying to say - even sanctimonious, pseudo-parsimonious wannabe-fascists like me.
- ********0
- FUCK YOU SCUMBAG TROLLutopian
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- Sure, I'm comparing them, it's a more useful comparison than just bundling them all under "other."ukit
- U.S. is the worst in terms of absolute numbers - but Europe, EU or not, is not far behind and far worse than the rest of the world.ukit
- world. If we go per capita, Canada is worst, then U.S., but hey, Norway is pretty bad too...ukit
- EU overall is a lot lower per capita but it's also a lot poorer per capita, US $46k vs EU $33kukit
- Countries with high per capita GDP (like Netherlands) are nearly as bad as the U.S. with consumption. Poorer countries like Czech Republic are what drives EU's average down.ukit
- like Czech Republic are what drives EU's average down.ukit
- So , high GDP is an excuse for high oil consumption********
- More like high GDP is only possible through high oil consumption.ukit
- With current technology/ infrastructure anyway.ukit
- utopian0
BP'S TONY HAYWARD YACHTING
WITH HIS PALS AT JP MORGAN BANK!- he doesn't look like he's having a good time. besides getting away from your problems means getting away from water.********
- he doesn't look like he's having a good time. besides getting away from your problems means getting away from water.
- georgesIII0
- there was probably a 'boom' sound too, but jobs destroyed the original swf, to save us from porn.mikotondria3
- Where has georgesIV been?utopian
- Iggyboo0
http://www.youtube.com/user/alex… Looks like this and the other one showing the cracks that you linked show that in fact the ground is cracking up and this is only getting worse. 20 billion won't cover this mess.
- mg330
I don't give a flying fuck that the BP CEO went sailing, or that Obama played golf. People are entitled to a weekend. It irks the hell out of me when these conservative morons take issue with Obama actually having a life. Like a person can focus 100% of their day on a particular effort. What I want from a president in this situation is that he is pressing the right people to put the right plan in place to solve the problem, and that he's making wise choices about what should be done. Same thing from the BP CEO.
- true that. but the bp exec deserves to FRY!!!********
- yeah, he is a dumbass for the idiotic things he's said.mg33
- true that. but the bp exec deserves to FRY!!!
- sigg0
^ The same people who bitch about that are the ones who call in "sick" on Friday so they can have a nice 3 day weekend fucking round the house and playing a round of golf.
- Mimio0
^ The same people who attend Tea Bagger conventions, bitch about socialism and work for cash under the table while still collecting unemployment for the job they lost 2 years ago.
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- ********0
500!!!