Detained for photography in Baltimore
- Started 14 years ago
- Last post 14 years ago
- 37 Responses
- fooler0
1. He's from Portland, Oregon (AKA Little Beirut) where everyone is an anarchist/terrorist.
2. He should be glad these officers treating him with some respect and dignity. In Portland, OR cops shoot first, ask questions second.
3. That weirdo took pics of the new green line where I pick up the max.
4. He did sound exactly like Milton from Office Space or Deaf Frat Guy from Howard Stern
5. A Few years ago there was some guy in Seattle that was arrested for taking pictures of bridges.- 6. He did absolutely nothing wrong.aldebaran
- 7. 1-5 are besides the fact and are excuses for police to side step people's right.********
- 7. you're right but if you're doing nothing wrong shouldn't you comply to the officers request instead of acting more guilty and suspicious?fooler
- #4: video says he's hard of hearing at the beginning...bjladams
- plash0
there is a reason we have the Miranda rights.
and when you are being "interviewed" by the police they are not there to protect you. in fact, at that point; they are looking for reason to arrest you.
- locustsloth0
But he wasn't being "interviewed". The fucking cop asked him why he was taking pictures in the most innocuous, almost jovial way, and the guy's response was "Because i like to and you can't legally stop me"
i guess this is my stumbling block. i can't get past the feeling that these guys were just doing their job (investigating someone at the request of the MTA employee) until the guy decided to obfuscate and be elusive, rather than having a conversation with someone you'd like to be on your side.
Again, they very well may have acted like jerks anyway if the guy had just explained himself, but i don't see why, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have to act this way toward authority figures.
- aldebaran0
"these guys were just doing their job "
No they weren't. At no point does their job include enforcing non existent laws.
- How are they supposed to enforce the law without being able to speak to anyone who they think is suspicious?Aper
- He then behaved badly towards them. What are they supposed to do?Aper
- he didn't behave badly, you nutcase.CanHasQBN
- They were asked to investigate by the employee, hence they were doing their job. If they'd mosey-ed up to him on their own, it'd be slightly differentlocustsloth
- it'd be slightly differentlocustsloth
- He didnt do himself any favours by being rude and uncooperative, even if he was rightAper
- so someones ability to take a picture/movie depends on how nice he is to security?plash
- prophetone0
“Do you have Maryland state identification on you?” the officer asked.
This is where it crosses the line for me. They should be able to talk to the guy and ask what he's up to, fair enough, but that's where it should end imo. but to go so far as threatening arrest and asking for him to produce i.d?
- They didn't ask for that until he refused to engage in a reasonable conversation about why he was therelocustsloth
- he didn't have to engage in a conversation, as once again, he didn't do anything wrong.aldebaran
- they can't ask for his i.d. no matter what the case unless he's breaks the law, am i wrong?prophetone
- he was asking them decent questions about their reasoning and they were feeding him bad info.prophetone
- they asked him reasonable questions in a polite manner and were met with obfuscationlocustsloth
- locustsloth0
i all honesty, i don't understand what the big deal is about flashing your ID. Can someone explain this to me? You show your id at a liquor store, or when you use a check sometimes. Why is it a big deal to show you are who you say you are when it comes to police?
- *In all honestylocustsloth
- Its a matter of context and police pushing legal boundries when there is little reason.********
- you have had different experience with cops than i.. being latino male in chicago. shit, to them, we're all suspects..plash
- suspects..plash
- You're right, plash, and that fucking sucks that you've been forced into that perspectivelocustsloth
- aldebaran0
The defense of the law in this thread is simply bizarre and a bit frightening.
- The swiftness with which people will, for no good reason, put themselves in OPPOSITION of the law is equally solocustsloth
- He never was in opposition to the law...aldebaran
- i'm talking about the people in this thread.locustsloth
- i seealdebaran
- Not really, both of them handled this wrong and its reasonable to point out where some of the fault liesAper
- ********0
Yeah plash I was about to say if he were black or hispanic he would have on the ground in cuffs in seconds.
- i_monk0
His right to be a turd is your right as well.
- dibec0
I <3 QBN!
- ********0
This is obviously a mild incident but its a slippery slope. Photographers and videographers are being turned into suspects for a reason far beyond terrorist or criminal threats. In the grand scheme of things it has to do with controlling information and the media.
- plash0
there is no obligation to be nice by either party. in this situation those cops are in the wrong, (it happens) my point is that there is very little consequence for them cops to be wrong.
now, if a citizen is wrong.. whats the consequence , jail time, financial compensation of thousands of dollars (fines). people lives are destroyed . in this case its civil..
( and thanks for keeping this conversation civil. =D )ill post again.. Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
- big daddy ben frank- there is no LEGAL obligation to be nice. There is an inherent unenforceable, mostly ignored social obligation howeverlocustsloth
- One that would make most things a lot easier if more strictly followedlocustsloth
- ********0
At the police and public level we're told people with cameras COULD be planning something or doing something illegal. The point is to make us nervous and make everyone suspicious of each other, even to police ourselves.
- plash0
no doubt that if we as a society were nicer but i dont live in that world. and america hasn't shown a kind history of to minorities or human rights for that matter. it has been through civil disobedience, and opposition to the law.
when i get asked for information It is MY right to give it. or would you like to live in a country where any cop can stop you regardless ... and you must comply without question. there are still a lot of countries that do that..
- ********0
So funny. You have to be from the area to understand the history. The public lightrail and trains used to be constantly bombed with graffiti. You couldn't go a day without a train/car getting buffed clean, and then getting painted over by the next day. So these days, they have that shit on lock, and they do everything they can to keep it that.
Also, you are near the Nation's capitol. Don't be suspect about shit, and definitely don't act like a dickhead like this guy.
- well, that makes sense then.bjladams
- All that being said, I think the guy had every right to stand his ground. Just didn't have to act like an ass about it.********
- I've seen dudes stand up for their rights like an educated individual, and the cop leave the scene.********
- It's all about HOW you do it.********
