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- _niko0
nothing will change unless someone mows down congress and their families with the same weapons that they have been defending.
- Do you not recall what happened in June of this year? https://www.washingt…GM278
- Nothing changed. In fact Trump made it EASIER for mentally ill to purchase firearms.GM278
- oh, yeah forgot about that. sheesh._niko
- Ramanisky22
Sudafed is regulated ..
but bullet spraying mass killing weapons aren't.yeah makes total sense.
- also this weapon of mass destruction
https://www.standard…_niko - ^ lolGnash
- small toys don't choke kids -- kids choke themselves!Gnash
- Sudafed is a privilege, not a right!monospaced
- also this weapon of mass destruction
- ApeRobot0
Kinder eggs are banned, weapons aren't.
- capn_ron0
LAWN DARTS! I can get an assault rifle easier than lawn darts now. by the way, that was one of my favorite games to play as a kid.
- Gnash2
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- Canada sells them everywhere. we're hard cuntsGnash
- Do you think Anti-Fa, Hillary heads and BLM will march on the NRA?robotron3k
- robo, March? Like gather and walk? I could see a peaceful protest happening soon.capn_ron
- Hmmm, I just checked where the headquarters of the NRA is, it's in Fairfax VA. There won't be any protests there, that's for sure.robotron3k
- I cringe every time I see a show, movie, advert whatever where someone has their finger on the trigger when not sighting a target.GM278
- Fairfax VA.... Where at night it's whiter out.severian
- ^ my brother is a ranked pro 9-ball player. he says the same about people playing pool in movies and how they hold the cue.Gnash
- you don't protest to the NRA, do you? You protest near the government that can make change. The NRA is busy with the influx of money right now anyway.capn_ron
- If every black man in the USA bought automatic, AR-15s tomorrow, repubs would change the law by next friday.Gnash
- this is insane. those eggs can make kids fat and kill a dog if the stupid fucking mutt eats one. the defense rifle is obvi protecting that girl.kona
- ^ Great new name for assault rifles. Defense rifle....or freedom rifle......kirshar12
- Gnash, the AR15 is not an automatic. the Automatic version is the M16 (I know semantics) But it's an important distinction.GM278
- and Kirshar12, AR stands for Armalie - the company that developed it. By definition an "Assault rifle" is full automaticGM278
- NOT that I'm suggesting ppl should have AR15's either. Just clarifying.GM278
- ^sorry Armalite not armalie (typo)GM278
- Oh i know, GM. I actually meant assault rifles. I lean toward fully automatic weaponry not being available to the general public.kirshar12
- I have a cousin who owned an AR15 for a while until he realized he had no real reason to own it other than to say he owned an AR15, then he sold it....kirshar12
- RIght on. Just wanted to make the distinction because an AR15 is not full auto and making it so is illegal. Which is how the bump stock loophole came to be.GM278
- like I said in my post below this one I own firearms but no reason to justify an AR15 let alone any military grade weapons.GM278
- thanks for the insight - what I know about weapons I learned from Call of Duty and BattlefieldGnash
- I only have a phaser...pango
- GM2784
In full disclosure, as some of you know from this and other threads, I actually am a licensed gun owner and without going into my life story, former military who was properly trained. Am I all "God alone lets me own my guns?" NO! Do I feel average citizens should be allowed to own high power military grade weapons? NO! I'm actually extremely against it.
While I do believe in having the ability to legally protect my family and my property, I don't believe a semi or automatic rifle accomplishes that end. The fourth rule of gun safety is "Be sure of your target and what is behind it." A 223 round from an AR15 will go through a target and quite possibly the wall behind it. So, unless you want to kill your neighbor, it's a shitty home defense weapon. Furthermore, unless your house is about to be overrun by 30 or more people. you don't need that level of defense.
Most states, including Texas where I live are NOT shoot to kill but shoot to stop the threat. Meaning, IF you shoot someone who is threatening you in a manner that LEGALLY justifies that level of force and they stop, you can't keep shooting until they are dead. That's murder and you will be tried as such. My point is, you don't need a rifle with a 30 round magazine to stop a home invasion. If you think you do, you're probably a lousy shot and should consider not ever touching gun. Especially if you live next door to me.
The second amendment to the US constitution that so many love to hide behind states:
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.”
Keep in mind this was put into place after America had just fought for it's independence and the forefathers had a legitimate reason to fear tyrannical rule. But we've come a long way since the days of loading black powder into muskets. (Side note: I've actually shot black powder and it's slow and messy business)
One way of interpreting the Amendment is the people have the right to bear arms PERIOD. But to me and I'm sure others there's that first part. "AS A WELL REGULATED MILITIA"
I think that the first step in ANY kind of gun control reform needs to start with that first part of the Amendment. Want to keep your high powered rifles in case of the government gets out of hand? Well then, you need to be serving in a regulated militia. Perhaps that is the first step in changing things that everyone on both sides can get behind.
That's just my two cents on it. This is all heartbreaking to me and it needs to change. Both sides need to get off their asses and come to the table.
- fascinating, thanks ... curious ... would you join the militia?monospaced
- Good question. Probably not.GM278
- I like this idea. Do you think this would neutralize the "My name will be on a gov list" fear?R_Kercz
- If you want to be in said regulated militia then being on a govt list shouldn't be a fear but reason enough.GM278
- A well organized militia will never take down the govt. They have an army. Tanks, jets, missiles, bombs. But have fun thinking that.severian
- ^ exactlyRamanisky2
- I don't think that at all. I am suggesting a modification to the amendment that in doing so regulates who has these kinds of weapons.GM278
- a well organized militia is government run, btw, it's not a grass roots thing, never has been, never will, never intended to bemonospaced
- I agree. I wouldn't expect it to be self regulating. That seems dangerous in itself. I don't profess to think I have the solution to all this.GM278
- But someone needs to start having some ideas that both sides can get behind. This has gone on long enough.GM278
- < I can agree with that and I find the militia angle interesting. It's at least one avenue of adhering to the amendment yet placing some controls on guns.kirshar12
- "I need to legally be able to stockpile enough arms to take down the government that makes it legally possible."cannonball1978
- colin_s2
I was born in / spent part of my formative years in Alaska. My dad hunted moose for food, lived in a cabin with no running water, had a substantial collection of firearms. I was raised around guns of all types, from air pistols to assault rifles. They can be neat and fun as long as one is responsible with them. They can also be quite a utility when necessary.
However, even with all of my history with guns and the culture, I can't for the life of me understand why so many are overly concerned with something like a ban on assault weapons.
The second amendment was written in a time not only when guns were less powerful, but states were too. The only logic I can think of is there's a swath of people in America who are thinking to themselves, "If I ever don't get my way, I'll take it out on them with a gun." (I'd bet substantial amounts that plenty of mass shootings occur because of a train of thought similar to this.)
We have moved into an age of information where persistence is the only way to push an ideology - a single mass shooting may have dominated the news even just 20 years ago (I remember watching Columbine on CNN), but now that Americans are normalized to them, guns pose less of an actual threat to the state than they do to just fellow people.
(This also is an aspect of the glaring irony that is most Americans, in that they support the state so long as those who administer it are on "their side" - it's less a model of governance and more a model of children and parents.)
- Why do you think other, previous, more popular administrations, didn't do anything about it when they had the opportunity???robotron3k
- ^ Opportunity fucking LOLRamanisky2
- because irrational gun lovers think god gave them the right to own devices of mass killing, and they have powerful lobbyists behind them to kill political careemonospaced
- it's not that complicated ... even an asshole like you knows how that swampy mess works, politicallymonospaced
- Perhaps Obama's tears kept the swamp swampy through 14+ mass shootings during his reign...robotron3k
- ^Bwahahaha ... the jokes keep cominRamanisky2
- no, that was just conservative assholes that fought him on anything he did, but I didn't expect you to understand that muchmonospaced
- careful guys Obama was the worst president ever said every brainwashed low IQ infowars watching buffoon.fadein11
- kona0
When a Brown person kills.
The Right: Yeah tell me again how Islam is a religion of peace. We need to ban every Muslim and kick em all out!When a Black person kills.
The Right: Oh fuckin gangs man. The police need to round up and eliminate all the gangs. Gangs have been around forever and blacks just keep killing blacks.When a White person kills (on a grand scale).
The Right: Now hold on a minute, somethin is fishy here. Why did a 60 something man who had an awesome arsenal, go on a rampage? It just don't make no sense... there's a conspiracy here.- Waiting on robotard3KKK to chime in
5..4..3..2...Ramanisky2 - yupmonospaced
- I'm waiting for konut to tell me how the Right feels when us Taupe colored people kill before I respond with a zinger...robotron3k
- touchémaquito
- robotard3KKK comes through ..
as predicted.Ramanisky2 - https://www.sadtromb…severian
- Oh look. Another communist repeating what the news told him to say. Racist.Hayoth
- @Hayoth, you still don't know what communist means? holy shit, just look it up before you use it again. You sound like a drooling idiot every time you try.monospaced
- first off... lol@you passing yourself off as taupe. second, see black.kona
- Regardless of a single event, cumulatively, annually, the murders by blacks is something like 9 or 10 times greater than by whites.********
- communist MSM media pmsl.fadein11
- kona nails it againfadein11
- Muslim shooter = entire religion guilty
Black shooter = entire race guilty
White shooter = deranged lone wolfmonoboy - ^ BINGORamanisky2
- ^ Indeedkona
- When was the last time a white person killed on a grand scale? It's a unique story that deserves some attention, rather than grouping in common gang violence********
- Leave it to Kona to turn it into a racist issue. Does your hate for white men ever stop?********
- omg, it's not hate for white people, it's just observing how the conservative right is reacting to this, accuratelymonospaced
- Amen monofadein11
- omg = QBNs DotardRamanisky2
- I've heard at least 3 of these conservative bellends refer to UK media as liberal/left/sociali... clearly haven't spentfadein11
- 5mins in the UK. 90% of our media is on your side fellas. so no communist/left/liber... whatever you want to call it takeover goin down here.fadein11
- the media wins right leaning elections here - it's quite refreshing to hear the opposite over the pond (even if a figment of your imagination)fadein11
- sandy hook. planned parenthood clinic. aurora theater. columbine. luby's massacre. shall i go on or did you forget those happened?kona
- So if someone yells "Allahu Akbar" before detonating him or herself, citing his religion isn't appropriate...even though the religion is the motivation?********
- what omg (DOTARD) is really saying is that blacks & browns kill at a much higher clip.Ramanisky2
- Never heard a headline titled "brown" person ever.********
- and if you're keeping tabs omg, alex jones (aka the right) thinks all of those are/were false flag conspiracies. asshole.kona
- Alex Jones aka another white man for you to hate.********
- Alex Jones makes a lot of money from these tragedies - he's getting v.rich while fools like you are still eating TV dinners in ya mamas basement. Sad!fadein11
- What news media doesn't make money from tragedy in the news?********
- Not sure how folks eating TV dinners is related, but somewhere in there, I bet that makes sense.********
- CNN don't sell Armageddon survival kits (with no fluoride added) to their viewers last time I looked.fadein11
- Aside from that he got popular on not being like other media surely - you total fuckwit.fadein11
- ... but it's okay when CNN advertises cleaning fluids for women's vaginas.********
- .. but it's okay if CNN sells ads for pills that make your dick rock hard so that you can fuck all night long.********
- when's the last time you washed your cock? - you may want to as it's in your mouth so often.fadein11
- if you're gonna talk like that, you better go brush your teeth.********
- omg = BASTARamanisky2
- keep downvoting with your accounts omg! you almost have it back down to zero? (psst. perhaps a few more accounts would work!)kona
- You should probably buy some of that vagina cleaning fluid, omg - you seem to have sand in yours.face_melter
- omg is too much of a spineless coward to even be considered a vagina. He is nothing.severian
- I wonder if omg is hated this much in the real world ???Ramanisky2
- Most likely Ram.kona
- thank god this shooter didn't shoot up a rap concert or muslim mosque. You're minds would be exploding with resentment.hotroddy
- what a miserable existence.Ramanisky2
- the crime wasn't racially nor religiously motived = derranged shooter.hotroddy
- Meanwhile all elements of the case is ignored, and a second shooter runs free.********
- possible second shooter that is.********
- lol omg you dolt. you just helped prove my original point in the post. your 2nd shooter conspiracy theory bullshit can fuck right offkona
- "jim was a great guy"sofakingback
- How I understand it - if there is a political motive for the sake of your country - aimed to change a countries stance - terrorism.mugwart
- All else your a mass murdering cunt.mugwart
- Waiting on robotard3KKK to chime in
- Ramanisky24
wash rinse repeat
wash rinse repeat
wash rinse repeat
- lowimpakt1
Roquefort cheese is banned, weapons aren't.
- Ramanisky214
- +ETM
- acefadein11
- it's fine, everything is fine.sofakingback
- what fire?capn_ron
- This coffee looks delicious though. Nice and piping hot.DRIFTMONKEY
- I'll just put this over here with the rest of the fire********
- plash38
- damnmonospaced
- wow
wowkona - bravoaslip
- is goodimbecile
- yepGM278
- Wow!robotron3k
- omg - this is a political cartoon. Stare at it until it's burnt into your retinas.fadein11
- boom, now thats a political cartoon.sofakingback
- Wouldn't that guy represent Hillary tackling these political gun control issues? Why is she representing the USA?********
- ooh thats right, you're too dense to get anything not spelled out for you. Just go back to the kiddy corner with your crayons. We'll get you a slice a pizza. gosofakingback
- http://38.media.tumb…sofakingback
- people. omg is a top class troll. you are still falling for it. ignore every post and comnent by this twat. he is feeding off every single reply.d_gitale
- ^
vDRIFTMONKEY - omg is an assholemonospaced
- Mono, spikes the ball, but I'm afraid it's out of bounds. =)DRIFTMONKEY
- isn't good ol american liberty suppose to preserve rights. this seems perverse in trying to lay blame with the NRA by depicting cowardice and dead bodies********
- the underlying scary part is this is front page. not out of defense of basic liberty but in mockery of it.********
- hey even the first amendment has limitation. second one shouldn't be an exception.pango
- liberty = protection of the propaganda agency of the arms industry?lowimpakt
- Nothing better than the use of propaganda and an idiotic and ill-informed public. Go get'em commi's!Hayoth
- you still don't know what communist means, do you?monospaced
- of course not.utopian
- Commies to them means "not one of us"pango
- pango what limitations?********
- lowimpackt. liberty = freedom to partake in activities that effect only u. if you are against gun rights u are the same type of person against gay marriage and********
- weed usage.********
- if u are against gun rights at least own up that u are no better than the religious zealots wanting no dicks in butts********
- i knew the old saying never talk politics and religion. i always thought reason worked in politics. now i see its no different********
- Libel. And you can't say you have a bomb on air plain. You can't make violent threat towards others.pango
- Sure you have freedom of speech. But certain things you say comes with consequences.pango
- yes. and those actions have consequences. many of which put those people in trouble. But who determines it? a jury, a judge or does every individual think they********
- can pass judgement. libel is a process. and what u say there is a factor in judgement of real intent.********
- owning a fully automatic rifle is not = to intent to kill people. you see where this is going right?********
- the censorship college kids who dont realize truly freedom of speech vs their own idea of weaponized speech.********
- if a guy called me faggot and i ripped off his jaw and crippled him for life because im not gay and was embarassed? who is right?********
- the physical actions are what has consequences even in libel cases. u need to prove true harm. those who do harm are procescuted********
- lol @ believing reason to be a good thing :Dimbecile
- ********0
- detritus0
Horrifying/Hilarious
- tlimbecile
- what an odd post in all respectsfadein11
- How so, or is today simply the day of vague put-downs? The cause of the horror is obvious; The hilarity's subtler, but found in the weird format of self-concerndetritus
- 1. the video has been posted before and the whole world has seen.
2. Zero hilarity. Sorry if you felt that was a putdown and took it personally. I was merelyfadein11 - merely commenting on the odd post.fadein11
- not this post alone, more the cumulation of all your responses today. And there's amusment there if you listen, but I'm not bothered if you can't be bothered.detritus
- fadein112
Anyway, what's the latest on this mental prick who purchased 30 death machines no questions asked and killed/wounded 500 people? any motive yet?
- ********-9
- fuck offBonSeff
- Info Wars LOL
The tin foil hat right wing inbreds are out in full force!utopian - Sad thing is, so many will fall for this shit.BusterBoy
- so there are multiple omg's out there
FUUUCK...Ramanisky2 - $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for odious Jones and cohorts.fadein11
- i_monk2
- i saw this earlier. people still drive into crowds, run over other people, hit cyclists, commit suicide, steal cars to commit crimes, etcimbecile
- and if you're going to commit suicide like this guy did, more stringently licensed firearms would have still been obtained without issue it seems.imbecile
- unless there were fewer of them available, and he was forced to find them on a more scarce black marketmonospaced
- except Nevada, doesn't require registration of firearms, is an open carry state, also one doesn't need a license and people with concealed carry permitskona
- are confidential and private.kona
- non-point posted by Kevin. stupid talking point.imbecile
- Fox/KennedyNation said something stupid and Kevin pointed it out. His point is your country makes it harder to drive than to kill.i_monk
- what i_monk saidkona
- i would disagree. Only because I was raised in a home to respect guns. it's not easy to pull the trigger.imbecile
- some people weren't raised to respect cars. statistically cars cause more damage & overall debt / cost so the idea of insurance for a societal norm makes senseimbecile
- on one side of the gun argument you have a crowd preaching registration and responsibility, which i agree with and was raised in.imbecile
- on the other side, take them away and make them illegal? i say no. Until there is a unified gun responsibility act, i'm happy with the way things areimbecile
- btw... you can buy a used car for a few hundred bucks without registering or insuring it by buying from an individual. something anti-guns say needs fixedimbecile
- take the good and take the bad and there you have a stupid non talking pointimbecile
- robthelad-7
Governments arm the police and the military with every kind of weapon - while at the same time depriving citizens of the basic means of defending themselves.
Are you so afraid? That you'll give up your rights in the hope that your government will keep you safe?
"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." George Orwell
- Defend from what? other people with guns. Idiotic.Morning_star
- Look past the trees and you'll see the woods.robthelad
- You don't need protection from anything if you think and act exactly how you're expected to.robthelad
- Laws help dictate that expectation in a society.monospaced
- When laws remove human rights it becomes a dictatorship. We're being sold a future without human rights, and we're buying it.robthelad
- what human right are you talking about?monospaced
- Life, liberty, and property. How can a man protect himself against a government who can lock you up for an indefinite time for literally no reason.robthelad
- lol, you're fucking serious that automatic weapons are the thing that would prevent being imprisoned for crime?monospaced
- if so, then you're a lost causemonospaced
- No that's not what I said, try not to focus on the little things. Why would the government disarm its citizens? To keep good people safe from bad people...?robthelad
- Robthelad: He how talks in maxims....sounds smart.twentyfive
- I felt like you made the argument that we should have guns to protect ourselves from government and to protect our human rights, actuallymonospaced
- Guns are just the McGuffin. If you don't agree with me that's fine. I have no qualms.robthelad
