Israel bombing shit..
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- lowimpakt0
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he underlying case for the demographic profile is irrelevant to teh point I was making.
My point was the IDF are launching another ground invasion into a region largely populated by children.
- & I know the complexity of these situations as I grew up with the Northern Ireland fuck up.lowimpakt
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"My point was the IDF are launching another ground invasion into a region largely populated by children."yes, that is the terrible reality.
I am honestly interested in your take on something, because I don't see an alternative myself: if you were to call the shots in israel right now; your primary job making sure your citizens are safe and ok, secondary job dealing with your neighbours the right way. how would you proceed say the next 2 weeks? not asking for complete israeli-palestine solution, but for alternatives to current escalation. mind you, realistic alternatives, not stuff that would get you coup d'etated immediately.
- lowimpakt0
@magineallthepeople
you want me to manage gaza? ;0
I would either end immediately or have a rapid scaling back of the ground invasion of Gaza. I would make the objectives of the ground operation much more precise and transparent so key objectives could be cleared or held for a late date.
I would then set about reducing the illegal blockade but on shared terms (i.e. not Hamas) with a clear humanitarian framework so that Hamas don't claim credit.
I would begin the process of real dialogue i.e. explicit and covert with Hamas and demand that a peace keeping force be integrated with Gaza. The peace keeping force should be from a neutral state with middle east experience (e.g. the Irish Army based on experience of the Lebanon)
I would start to deal with right wing factions in the Israeli government (concessions have been made in the past).
I would then provide greater levels of autonomy and support (financial, legal etc) to civil society organisations and other governance aspects to allow the positive social structures and bonds between palestinians and israelis to ferment and grow.
I would start to demilitarise Israeli culture.
it is utter madness to think that this can be resolved through more violence and killing.
It's small beer compared to Palestine but there are things happening now in Ireland (e.g. ex-IRA commanders meeting the Queen) that I genuinely couldn't forsee happening in my lifetime. And there are lessons here for palestine/israel. For all the wrongs in the past and current weaknesses I give credit for both sides for deciding to stop killing each other and setting out with a shared (but shaky) vision of a better future for everyone.
- lowimpakt0
"A father opens a plastic bag: 'This is my son,' he says, killed by an Israeli shell"
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@lowimpaktthanks for your input. this seems reasonable to me, if a bit optimistic.
I imagine that pulling back now, de-escalating unilateraly, would be a though thing to sell to the israeli public without a significant reduction of rocket attacks at the same time. so you need hamas to play along somewhat. only you can't gave offer them anything to sweeten that deal, as that would be an encouragement to continue on the current path and in 2 or 3 years the same shit starts all over.
same problem with official negotiations. sitting down with hamas for talks without their prior explicit acknowledgement of israels right of existence isn't doable for the israelis. chance of hamas making that step, currently none.
UN administration and policing of gaza would perhaps provide the best perspective for gaza from a humanitarian standpoint, but palestinians would have to agree to that, which they can't (bascially a new occupation).
I think israel is doomed to having to hit gaza and kill children in the process until someone more flexible takes over in gaza.
- ukit20
^ What do you see as the future of Israel over the long run?
Can it be a Jewish state and also democratic?
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"What do you see as the future of Israel over the long run?"I have no idea. especially not with the current syria, iraq, egypt situations. also depends on the other regional players, the gulf states, iran. it's all very volatile right now, who knows what it will turn out like.
what I hope for israeli and palestinian future is for the westbank palestinians to prosper somewhat, so that they calm down in regard to israel and can make peace. then the moderates can take over gaza, and everyone lives happily ever after.
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imagine.. I had a long resting night of sleep and I woke up thinking you're not wrong in saying what you're saying,
I think both camps are wrong, I'm usually level headed but when I saw those pics of massacred kids, I lost it, I instantly took a camp but looking back both camps are in the wrongs and composed of cunts using what happened to gain political hedge,
so as the old saying goes, two wrongs don't make a right, I think it applies perfectly to what is happening in your region, anyways, I don't believe there will be a real peace solution until both camps in power are booted out of control,
my 2ct
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yeah, just when you think it can't get worse. palestinians celebrating in the street now, free baklava, party time.they seem to miss how much more dead civilians this means.
- ends times bro.. the number will just continue to rise
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- ends times bro.. the number will just continue to rise
- lowimpakt0
they haven't captured a soldier.
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hoping you're right.
- lowimpakt0
i could be wrong but here is an article from 2003
with this photo
and this is the photo tweeted by Al-Qassam Brigades
s://twitter.com/Qassam_English
the other pictures they tweeted of an ID card is apparently from an already dead soldier
- lowimpakt0
also, the photos they showed of people celebrating are old too.
e.g. this one
appears in this 2013 article