Ex Machina
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- shapesalad1
Is this the soundtrack to it?
https://www.discogs.com/master/3…
Never saw the movie but liked some of the tracks from it.
- 'Technoboys Pulcraft Green-Fund' such a cool name.shapesalad
- Heard that soundtrack at the listening booth in Tower Records, Shibuya, Tokyo. Great place to discover music.shapesalad
- Different Ex Machina. Here's the 2014 film's OST.
https://www.youtube.…
Both films are worth watching.MrT - +1 for anything Shibuya tooMrT
- teh1
Finally saw it last night. Such a great film. The best of the AI sci-fi films.
Question: The guy who pick up AVA? Did he know he was picking her up?Observation. When they stabbed Nathan. Were they self-aware at that point.
Was Kyoko aware when she broke her arms off when she wanted to leave?
Great movie.
- i_monk0
The thing is, though, she wasn't lying when she told him where she'd like to go: a busy pedestrian crossing, to watch people. That isn't something that comes out of Googling, it comes out of a preference and desire. It also means she wasn't motivated simply by a sense of self-preservation, because she could have just as easily escaped and stood passively by the door until the next challenge to her survival appeared.
It was a huge oversight not including some sort of Asimovian Laws or voice override of the AI (and house security), however. Smart enough to build an AI, but not smart enough to take foreseeable precautions. (And if everything is key card-based, wouldn't you still have passwords on your computer?)
- SteveJobs0
My problem with this film is that the characters are preposterous. The 'smart', socially awkward, nerd employee is aware he's talking to a robot but he's simultaneously developing feelings for it? Sorry no. Anyone in his vocation with his supposed level of intelligence will be too in their head trying to see if he can dupe the ai and to see if it can pass an assortment of tests (ie turing, etc) to their satisfaction but not emotionally bonding with it.
The ceo loner douche-lord who supposedly has the brilliant mind to create such an advanced ai apparently can't design a security system that he can override in the event of an emergency. He's also quite annoyingly unaware of the inherent danger of the rogue bots he himself created. Dude, you designed them. You should be acutely aware of their capabilities and, again, also possess the ability to override their system if things begin to go apocalyptic. This is actually one of the first things you do when designing such a complex program even if you are arrogance - level: infinite like this moron.
Finally, the ai. Despite the nerd's excitement and moody music there's nothing really fascinating or disturbing about this ai. It's programmed to do everything it does and the data it uses is finite data collected from searches and human responses recorded via mobile devices. Boring. Any 'emotions' exhibited by the ai are the result of instructions that produce procedural reactions designed to be perceived as human-like. Any self-awareness was programmed at some level, again for the intent of perception. And so when the emo robot goes into survival mode it's just operating within the parameters of its finite design. A rogue drone that flies into and mangles its creators face isn't seen as some rise of the robots. It just simply acted within the parameters of its design but there just happened to be an unfortunate outcome during its operation or because of a malfunction or design flaw. The only difference here is that this drone exhibits human-like characteristics that we identify with and so some people let themselves get psyched out believing they're seeing end of times, book of revelations type stuff - but they're not. If this were a cyborg, then perhaps there might be reason for awe/concern but this is just a super duper fancy lego mindstorm/arduino on steroids level of creation, albeit with an admittedly cool brain storage/processing unit. But it's really not much more than that. Don't get me wrong, observing a robot and ai that exhibits that level of realism and those types of responses and can learn the way this one does would certainly be quite impressive, but when you know how these types of things are built it really takes the mysticism out of it all.
Yeah it's just a movie, but any film that tries to be as smart as this film seems to think it is should hold itself to a higher standard. Having said all that, I did enjoy many elements of the film - mostly visuals and music but I can't help but think that it could have been done a bit better.
- all true points. But I still really liked it. Forgivable flaws, and I'm sure the writer and director have specific reasons why they told the story this way.inteliboy
- and I thought my assessment was critical! I just wish movies would cover the obvious gaps (security system). It could have been great with a little moreformed
- thought, but I also enjoyed it. As for falling for a robot, I think that's entirely possible, inevitable even.formed
- As buddy said, hear appearance was an intentional distraction. He wouldn't have reacted to her that way if she'd been a grey box.i_monk
- *heri_monk
- Preposterous characters? Like the socially inept social media billionaire who buys all the neighbours houses to ensure his privacy?MrT
- nb-5
Question of the Day.
Which do you think is better: Ex Machina or Interstellar?
I realize they are completely different movies, almost different genres, but they are both sci-fi. And, the budget for Interstellar was over 11x the budget of Ex Machina. Regardless, we are not film producers so money shouldn't factor into our decision.
If you had to pick one as "better" or your "favourite", which would you choose?
- Let me just say that if you pick Ex Machina, you're an idiot.nb
- Ex Machina was more nuanced and fascinating. Interstellar was "YOU ARE FEELING THIS EMOTION RIGHT NOW" the whole time.inteliboy
- Though I'd say interstellar is the "better" film purely from a craft perspective.inteliboy
- Interesting. I'd say relativity, the idea of love as quantifiable, gravity as mutable, etc is much more fascinating than "Some day there will be AI".nb
- what color is better? red or blue?docpoz
- Red. Don't ask stupid questions.nb
- It's like the first day of college again.MrT
- moonpablo28
- Stupid question, red is better. Just check the sales on any type of product.isleptwithsirenstonight
- Interstellar nope!utopian
- Red....unless you're talking red underwear. That's tacky.see_thru
- meffid0
Eerie and original. 4/5 Stars.
- HAYZ1LLLA0
Good ass film
- nb4
I also think the movie was just too heavy-handed and obvious.
Here's a key card! If it doesn't work, that room has a dark secret!
- I loved the mood, but there were so many glaring issues to fully be engaged (at least for me, details, details)formed
- Pretty common in Alex Garland scripts, though.nb
- Maybe someone should tell him, then ;-)formed
- Nah, I want him to do his thing!nb
- Dunno, those details are hard to overlook, but I loved the moodformed
- your criticism of 'details' is lacking in detail. It is what it is - a stylish sci-fi with obvious flaws - like all sci-fi?Ianbolton
- docpoz0
Although it has some basic modernist concepts that have been done to death in the sci-fi world, I felt the film was well crafted and entertaining.
- monNom0
Oh man. I really liked this film. Been think about I for weeks.
Spoiler alert:
I think the whole thing really came down to that Oppenheimer quote. 'now I am become death destroyer of worlds'. The whole frame of reference changes in the movie at that point. You have an unrelatable asshole tech CEO who transforms into an everyman under immense pressure because the thing he invented turned out to be a doomsday machine. He sees the inevitability of AI but almost refuses to believe that the thing he's created is really intelligent, as it is so predatory and inhuman. In humans intelligence without emotion is considered psychopathic and that's basically what you're getting with Ava. I don't know how any person would cope wellwith that pressure, and it sort of preludes and contrasts the AI's superiority in the situation. She's just waiting him out as he's fraying at the edges.Even the interpretation of the setting switches. From keeping out outsiders who want to steal his secrets, to being a 200mi buffer zone because ava is to dangerous to allow out...
Great great movie.
- nb0
Pretty good, it's fun to think about AI.
Spoiler alert**
I REALLY wanted the ending to be different. So, Caleb was on his mission to break Ava out, and then Nathan figures it out, but then they SHOULD have had a big discussion about it. It would've been much better if it ended with a big philosophical argument about the value of one (or a dozen) AI's freedom when weighed against the existence of all mankind. Nathan would gradually convince Caleb that he can't let the AI free because it will be the end of the human race! It's obvious that the technology isn't ready.
Then they could've have had a great ending where Nathan convinces Caleb to go back and shut down Ava. And then he gets flown back to work and the movie ends with him at his desk living out his life in silent horror, as he now knows that the end of mankind is just a few version revisions away. And he has no one to confide in.
Because that is what we all know (in the real world) about AI. Once you build it, game over for humans.
Would've been a much better ending.
ALSO it would have avoided the most glaring plot problem: Why did Caleb reprogram the door locks as a set up for the next day? Why not simply reprogram them and break Eva out that night while Nathan was passed out?
- formed0
Finally saw it (thanks Amazon for finally renting it). It was a very good movie and keep thinking about it, but I can't get over the holes.
- Such smart guys and they can't think that there's a chance of manipulation?
- Cards to get into rooms? Best tech in the world and anyone can get into any room and do anything?
- No security for Ava? He already knew they'd go crazy trying to get out and yet just a simple door is the only security?
- Such an advanced place and no detection of the power surges?Loved the movie, the mood, the pace, the subtleties, but man, it drives me crazy when there are such blatant holes in an otherwise fascinating take on AI.
- Very cool. I didn't think it would be available yet.CyBrainX
- omg0
Mechanically speaking, in between her legs was an opening with a concentration of many sensors. Engage them the right way, would create a pleasure response she would enjoy. Thoughts?
- monospaced0
That dance scene, though.
- Miguex0
More on the "Juvet Landscape Hotel" in Norway.
