What Gig Wouldn't You Take?
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- bklyndroobeki
What type of work would you NOT employ,
because of your own ethical/moral reason? ...Rules that you live your life by?
- bklyndroobeki1
- If they contact you send them to me.VectorMasked
- I was at a Tobacco trade show last week.
Yeah. 'Interesting'.
Fucking soulless ghouls, the lot of them.detritus - ..and despite having HUGE budgets, they are in DIRE need of good graphic design. Which is why I made sure I have an exhibitor's list.detritus
- wonder how many graphic designers they've heard NO from.bklyndroobeki
- I smoked a fucking lot of Marlboros in my day. They owe me!boobs
- bklyndroobeki0
Really good interview btwn Millman & Milton Glaser who speak on this:
http://designobserver.com/featur…
- bklyndroobeki7
- The pay would be fantasticlambsy
- so would sucking donald trump's cockMilan
- LOL
Sucking Trump's cock would be fantastic? To each his own.******** - Tobacco, fast food, Major League Baseball (still holding a grudge about the lockout/cancelled World Series in 1994)CyBrainX
- hahahaah O0O0O0detritus
- lolhotroddy
- hahahaMilan
- iWood but would easter egg it like i did with Chevron and MTVmoldero
- VectorMasked0
I could never work for anything that directly benefits a conservative political party, a religious organization, a data gathering government or Crocs.
- backstory on crocs?ArchitectofFate
- I wouldn't work for Crocs either.boobs
- you don't need a backstory for crocs.garbage
- bainbridge0
I once worked on a project for a trade show with some mediocre startups in it. They wanted to position the show as "high end" and "sleek" but the guy was a poseur and I didn't think he deserved a good design. I felt bad for feeling that way about a client but also felt bad that I could possibly make the brands look better than they actually were.
- MrT0
I did a job for Philip Morris in the mid-90s - which is my way of saying I didn't care. Meeting rooms in their offices had Mad Men-like platters of all their fags laid out for everyone to chuff on and every employee we met was the colour of Mr Burns.
- lowimpakt0
I once refused to work with a weapons manufacturer and companies that supply into the arms trade
- I once worked with a weapons manufacturer and it's the most badass portfolio piece. People love it.lambsy
- good for you. i wouldn't be able to live with it.lowimpakt
- whoah... nice standing your ground lowimpakt! :Dbklyndroobeki
- PonyBoy1
southern white conservative christian male-owend pharmaceutical chemical gun manufacturing government data gatherers that wear crocs, smoke tobacco and say 'ya'll'
- youngdesigner0
Is Monsanto really worse than a tobacco company?
- they often rank #1 on least ethical company rankingslowimpakt
- youngdesigner, I would say YESbklyndroobeki
- Their damage is more WIDE spread. At least w/ tobacco co.'s, ur killing ya' self. (and maybe a lil 2nd hand but you know what i mean)bklyndroobeki
- they way they target farmers is shameful.yurimon
- At least 99.999% of people know the dangers of smoking in 2015.bainbridge
- Yea, Monsanto is trully evil, Phillip Morris isn't forcing anyone to smoke********
- when I was 4 (i can't remember it) but i told my dad to stop smoking. that day he quit cold turkey. to this day i've only smoked 1 cig. it was a marl red-- thebklyndroobeki
- searing is something that i have been unable to get out of my head 21 years later.bklyndroobeki
- ok maybe 2 cigs bc i wasn't sure i hated it (the second were Spirits.)bklyndroobeki
- good stuff********
- A thousand times worse than tobacco companies********
- Cigarettes actually kill millions of people, did Monsanto kill anyone?youngdesigner
- maybe not directly, more like contribute to the cancer rates?yurimon
- That is hippie misinfo bro. There is literally no connection between GMOs and cancer.youngdesigner
- monsanto makes pesticides, fertilizers and other chems too, yd. DDT, Agent Orange, rBGH, etc.sarahfailin
- youngdesigner4
I think it's hard to make these judgements about what is good vs. bad. A lot of times it's a feel good judgement based on a vague populist idea of who the bad guy is.
A few years ago when I was freelancing at a big well-known design agency, they announced the entire company was dropping all work for financial companies for "moral reasons". This was right after the financial crisis when banks had a bad rep. But don't banks also do a lot of good by investing peoples' money and retirement?
As far as me, I have done work for pretty much all of them: gun companies, drug companies, Tea Party Super PAC ads. Haters gonna hate :\
- Depends on where the real problem is in those organizations. I dont think majority of people have the ability to reflect without bipartisan brain washing nyurimon
- populist. how their action, corporations, banks, integrates into the dysfunction of the whole society.yurimon
- Being yurimon again. Sigh.monospaced
- "But don't banks also do a lot of good by investing peoples' money and retirement?" do you have the brain of a child?futuremongolian
- they invest in the same companies that rape the world.yurimon
- Whaaaa. Anybody familiar with what a credit union is. All banks aren't created equal. The IMF is bad sure, but can't be throwing the baby out with the bathwater********
- are the credit unions are in trouble cause of new rules?yurimon
- What are you referring to********
- PonyBoy1
Both directly and indirectly I think almost everyone on QBN works as, for or with the ultimate scum of the earth on a daily basis: Marketing / Advertising / Design firms.
Yeah... I said it. We manipulate, bullshit and outright visually lie to sell shit on a daily basis... doesn't matter if it's for a good cause— you know you're going remove that wild hair from the model's face, you're going to stretch that torso to 5'10" and make sure those tits swell... The old woman will look youthful, the young couple will look immaculate and trendy as they smile, their faux child swinging between them w/the big fucking Fabric Softener logo glowing in the corner of the Ad... blah blah
- You don't want to swell tits?hotroddy
- You poor sad fucks.********
- maybe if you're a hack, then yes.futuremongolian
- no tit swelling for you mongolianhotroddy
- nothing to do w/being a hack, mongolian... everything to do w/truth in advertising—that and taking a step back and remembering most of us manipulate...PonyBoy
- ... for a living. Pretending to have a conscience regarding who we work for is a little ironic given all 'we' do is manipulate shit anyway.PonyBoy
- yeah! why have any conscience at all? anyone who thinks they can be moral should get off their high horse and wallow in nihilism. i'm a hack, aren't you?sarahfailin
- Fax_Benson0
I did some work for a shitty investment company that deals in tax avoiding property deals in the Cayman Islands.
I had to take them to small claims court in order to get paid. Served me right I guess. Thoroughly depressing.
- bklyndroobeki0
I turned down some great work in my 20's, while working with an agency too, based on feelings. I was VERY lucky that they understood my reasoning and didn't can me.
Funny, I'd do that same job today w/ a smile on my face.
All about the journey I guess.
- ********0
I turned down designing a website for an "artist" because her work was terrible and and all she did was make things out of dollar store feathers. I couldn't believe she had actually had gallery shows.
- noneck0
I won't do any work I know to be deceitful.
Also, work for governments. Won't do that shit again.
- ********0
So who would we discriminate against? Well I wouldn't bake an cakes for gay couples thats for sure...
But other than that i'll choose to discriminate freely as projects arise. I work full-time so any side work really needs to be fun and respect my time-tables. If not kick rocks.
- scarabin0
i created tie-in campaigns to sell SUVs and petroleum fuel using dr. suess' "the lorax".
i wrote product placement bits into a muppets movie.
i made spots to sell insurance, which i've always thought was a scam, using characters from my childhood (toy story).
advertising already took my soul :/
- if i'm even allowed to draw a line anymore it would probably be at anything spreading a hateful ideology. political shit.scarabin
- funny how become "bigger" looking back @ the things we journeyed thrubklyndroobeki
- might as well go all the way to politically correct..yurimon
- shut up, donnyscarabin
- bklyndroobeki0
would.
- i may just really be in a trance by the nice mark.bklyndroobeki
- Actually impressed w this kind of institutionbklyndroobeki
- SlashPeckham1
Thankfully I've managed to avoid any gambling related clients. They have to be the shittiest types of businesses to work for.
- yurimon3
If you have a moral burst of judgement and not to work for a company but the other decisions and actions in your life is in direct hypocrisy to your decision. you have to reflect your whole life basically and your direct or indirect, contribution or relationship to the world mess.
its like saying, I steal but I recycle, type attitude.
- cool story broscarabin
- http://i.ytimg.com/v…utopian
- wake up sheeple!moldero
- ^ can some one guess what these 3 commentators have in common?yurimon
- Where on Earth's the moral equivalence, or otherwise, between stealing and recycling? That's somewhat specious.detritus
- its an example of moral inconsistency society faces each day. if you look at the list of companies that use prison labor.yurimon
- that would be considered immoral to do so in light of the profit motive to incarcerate people for privite prison partnership with the state.yurimon
- So if you refuse to work for oil company for fossil fuels emissions and then go to drink coffee at starbucks that uses prison labor. how are you golden n moral?yurimon
- is there such a thing as selective morality? or hypocrisy?yurimon
- we must all do some evil. but we should avoid what evils we can and hold true to our values.sarahfailin
- obviously it has led us to this type of dysfunction, then it doesnt work. generations of laying in bed with these whores has given us scabbies. nah sayin broh?yurimon
- what he's saying is that if you don't like something you have to not like everything. an asinine and extremoist PoV whose only purpose is to try and shit onscarabin
- people in this thread. nothing newscarabin
- hehe extremoistscarabin
- no broh. im not saying like or dislike. ok. laws of cause n effect dont work like that nor due rules of morality on a mass scale. the outcome already showsyurimon
- that the ignorance of the culture, laziness, greed, has produced a po po state. effectively putting you into worse position and disenfranchising you from youryurimon
- heritage. so just boycotting one company for work while patronizing others is not going to really dent or create the moral conditions for change or make better.yurimon
- if all of our shit was on point and we were moral in collective action then our shit would be shinny n on point. we would not have these problems if we were inyurimon
- our own power. ok the results are in. ok you fackin up broh. not worky worky mkkay? cause n effect is in effect.yurimon
- sorry that was fo effect in the end.yurimon
- slow down and form a coherent thought. what it looks like you're saying is that turning down one gig is somehow pointless and that we should turn down all gigsscarabin
- or that certain gigs shouldn't even exist. please use your words and explain this coherently because it sounds fucking idiotic.scarabin
- I dont see why its so hard to understand that if you do a moral act in turning down a job but your personal life is filled with patronage to corps.yurimon
- that either pollute the environment, use slave labor. thats its morally inconsistent behavior.yurimon
- its no diff then catholic girls who say they are not sinners because they are virgins but give backdoor access. you make you fun of that logic, right?yurimon
- example. I boycott monsanto at all costs because they are evil, but I go to starbucks who use prison slave labor.yurimon
- but then again: http://naturalsociet…yurimon
- what does being morally consistent require? reflection of your life and how you effect the world through your actions or non action. right?yurimon
- dont like the word moral? ok.
http://www.etymonlin…yurimon - or http://www.etymonlin…yurimon
- Yurimon doesn't even kill bacteria or step on ants because he is pure and moral. You've got to draw the line somewhere.monospaced
- yuri, your whole silly hypothesis relies on the assumption that 1. you know anything about my entire moral system (which you don't); 2; that the act somehowscarabin
- disagrees with that system; and 3. that you know anything at all about my personal life (which you don't). bottom line is you're simply trying to act like youscarabin
- know shit, but you don't.scarabin