Sexual Harassment of the DAY
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Missing from this thread... of men focused allegations
Mariah Carey Accused of Sexual Harassment
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ma…
- spl33nidoru1
Amazingly enough, this is real...
- lolGnash
- interesting. im glad he smoothed it all over with that cinnamon roll recipe. My Christmas breakfast is complete. You are forgiven.shellie
- https://i.imgur.com/…freedom
- some people may not be visiting for a sense of righteousness. possibly they just want a recipe without an agenda attached to it.imbecile
- Lolnotype
- I don't think he's asking for forgiveness by posting the recipemonospaced
- A lil underhandednotype
- shellie2
Terry Crews believes he's being followed, tracked, hacked and bugged. He's calling it out just in case he ends up dead. I believe him. The man he came after is a founding partner of WME and they're richer than sin. They have Weinstein level resources to harrass and silence people with varying degrees of dangerous. This is a prime example of the abuse and control happening behind the scenes that isn't exactly sexual assult but it's definately a legitimate flavor of assult in a different form.
More screenshots of his Twitter rant here.
http://www.rhymeswithsnitch.com/…
- Gnash-3
- PonyBoy-1
NBC Made Payment To Staffer After Sexual Harassment Claim Against Chris Matthews
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/1…
"An MSNBC spokesman confirmed Saturday the company made a separation-related payment to one of Chris Matthews employees after the woman complained about sexual harassment."
- BusterBoy7
Matt Damon is 100% correct. Some of this is getting ridiculous. There is poor behaviour and people being a jackass. And there is serious sexual assault.
There's a big fucken difference. It's not condoning either...both are crap and need to be dealt with. But some of the carry-on now is getting beyond stupid...like equating shoplifting an Apple and serious armed robbery.
- in your analogy, both offenses carry jail time. shoplifting an apple is still grand theft. Should the shoplifter just go free?shellie
- If the shoplifting is chronic should u be treated like it was ur 1st time? wouldn't the shoplifter end up getting as much time as the armed robber in the end?shellie
- also this is coming from a guy who said on TV (project greenlight) that diversity is not for behind the scenes. He's kinda a dick imo. Just another perspective.shellie
- he's in business w/a lot of these people getting caught up or that might have secret dirt on them. He has 101 reasons why he'd to try & protect them or himself.shellie
- 1. shoplifting an apple may be grand theft in 'murica...not in most civilised countries though.BusterBoy
- 2. If it's chronic, it should be treated differently than the first offence.BusterBoy
- 3. Any amount of shoplifting should NEVER be treated the same as armed robbery.BusterBoy
- 4. Yes he's in an industry where many may have secret dirt. Doesn't mean he can't have an opinion.BusterBoy
- It's hard for me to believe they get caught on their 1st time "shoplifting" to keep the analogy going but i doubt we'd ever agree about this so I'll get my coatshellie
- no don't go! Happy to have a civil discussion :)BusterBoy
- The Lord Mayor of my city has stood aside based on a single allegation. Fair enough...let justice take its course. BUT he's being crucified online by idiots..BusterBoy
- ...claiming "where's there's smoke" as though he's automatically guilty. I find the trial by media disturbing and completely unfair in this environment.BusterBoy
- Great the movement is happening...BUT we still need to follow some procedure here.BusterBoy
- I think it will calm down for sure. But dont u think some of this severe fallout is doing a mass reset w/that behavior moving forward? everyone's been warnedshellie
- and my reaction to matts comments i admit are colored by other comments he's made that were the same flavor of tone-deaf AND I've been harassed byshellie
- a man in a professional setting, only to find out 13 years later I wasn't the only one. He didn't rape me, but i battle with not blowing up his spot.shellie
- no doubt hes left a trail of messes over the yrs besides the 2 others i know about now. he didn't rape me but he also shouldnt be the boss of anybody for real.shellie
- i am biased because this hits close to home. Also see my post 13 down about the man who forced a kiss on me in the subway. also not rape but i felt violated af.shellie
- so maybe since you can't relate so much as a man, try putting yourself in the victim's shoes. imagine your daughter, mother, sister. would you feel different?shellie
- Sure...and fir enough. I see where you're coming from. It sure is a massive reset, and any bloke that carries on with that behaviour now would have to be stupidBusterBoy
- Men used to think they could get away with that shit...so I hope this movement changes that ridiculous assumption.BusterBoy
- hey i think we found some common ground. when does that ever happen?shellie
- ohhhhhhhh &i also read something wrong to clarify by apple i thought mac. im glad we didnt get off track w/that smallish misunderstanding. convo still holds up.shellie
- cos i would place assult in line with a little more extreme than stealing an apple or a candy bar. i think that minimizes the seriousness a bit.shellie
- and i also think verbal harassment, flashing your privates, unwanted touching are all way more serious than stealing an apple or a candy bar.shellie
- +1, 2, 3, 4...shellie...oey
- fuck Matt Damonoey
- I don't disagree with shellie's sentiments. And Damon may well be a hypocritical enabler. But I don't see how anyone can disagree with his latest statements.BusterBoy
- When we start looking to celebrities like him to be a thought leader, who has not once ever presented themselves as such, we have a problem.notype
- He just became part of the problem.notype
- ^oey
- maybe you don't see cause you're in the privileged side of the story? I'm not accusing you of anything personally by the way.oey
- I don't think what Damon has said is wrong. We need to be sensible about all this to try and understand why and how it's happening in the first place.Ianbolton
- The conversation, the outcome and the future is certainly going to be a better if we can get through this, for men and women.Ianbolton
- So let's not start getting trigger happy and fucking up every single person's life, but sure, let's make a statement so people do get the message.Ianbolton
- welp at least there was some calm contructive discussion on this one. im proud of us. lets all have a digital beer together. Happy Monday.shellie
- Digital thumbs up...
Not sure that came out right!BusterBoy
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Gene Simmons of Kiss faces lawsuit over groping, misconduct allegations
http://www.foxnews.com/entertain…
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- didn't she threaten some woman's vagina?Gnash
- women have to check themselves too. although this movement involves mostly men, its not ONLY men.shellie
- Case and point, that redicuous female politician who harrassed employees while serving as an HR exec. Those who know the law best can also abuse it all the sameshellie
- in my experience most women sexually harass you after sex.omg
- spoken like a virginmoldero
- or at least, so I've heard... women will harass men and ask for unwanted sexual favors after sex.omg
- hold me, kiss me, hug me. and the next day, they're calling you making giggling sounds. and you're just like, "wtf, why is she still following me?"omg
- soundofreason0
In MY opinion:
We can agree that we live in a patriarchal society and that men hold a position of power over women. Nevertheless, there’s a difference between macho behavior, sexism, sexual aggression and sexual assault.
A man calling an obese woman a “fat pig” would be sexism because in most cases that same man wouldn’t hold men to the same standards or wouldn’t dare call another man the same name in fear of getting punched in the face. So I would conclude that this would sexist but still not be sexual aggression.
A man complimenting a woman on their attire. “Those are nice shoes”, “That dress fits you well” would not be sexist but macho behavior IF that same man wouldn’t compliment another man in the same way for fear of being perceived as someone who sucks dick. Retrograde in my book but still not sexist nor sexually aggressive.
Telling somebody that they would like to lick or touch their genital parts would be considered sexual aggression (#eatthatass).
Anyone kissing, groping or physically enforcing him or herself on any other person would be considered sexual assault. There’s still a spectrum but all fit the bill of sexual aggression for me.
The issue is that some women are calling all these types of behaviors sexual aggression or sexual assault and therefore diluting the real problem. Making it seem that the #metoo movement is just about “belonging” to a movement. At the same time they are including non-issues in a #thattoo hashtag that is changing the message into something more superficial than it should be.
#LikeForMeeeeeeeeeeeee
- ˝A man complimenting a woman (...) wouldn’t compliment another man in the same way (...) not sexist (...).˝
It’s only logical.sr_rosa - To paraphrase an abused woman:
"What's logic got to do with it?"soundofreason - "We can agree that we live in a patriarchal society and that men hold a position of power over women." Woah there buddy, not so fast. Not inclined to agree...Morning_star
- ...with that frankly sexist stereotyping.Morning_star
- "You're such fat pig" is not sexist. I've called even my mother it. If that becomes a no-go term to use then what the fuck, let's just avoid each other!!Ianbolton
- ˝A man complimenting a woman (...) wouldn’t compliment another man in the same way (...) not sexist (...).˝
- Gnash8
- this is great but the problem is that the majority of women didn't feel empowered and needed something like this to feel as strong as she does.shellie
- she didn't mention this, but perhaps if she had been raped or seriously assulted, she would realize the shut down that occurs which can paralyse someone intoshellie
- inaction. something i have personally experienced. In my mind i would be a tough bitch. in practice it doesnt aways happen. its uncontrollable.shellie
- ^ You make an assumption about her to discredit the argument. You're also missing that she's arguing the solution, not the problem.cannonball1978
- "What women want: fun freedom and an end to feminism"sarahfailin
- what exactly his her solution? Im not seeing it, but im not wearing my glasses. what i got from her is she wishes women felt empowered without #metooshellie
- (@sarah, her position is that the current feminist paradigm infantilizes women)Gnash
- @shellie Its not just #metoo, she has issues with contempo feminism being tone-deaf to class. I suppose if you crack her book you’ll get her take.cannonball1978
- i have to read her whole book? im talking about what she's saying I this screenshot. if she can't communicate the answer there, her statement is not a solutionshellie
- her opinion is different than yours shellie. not wrong and certainly not deserving of attack by your admittedly narrow point of viewimbecile
- When she talks about victim culture, is that what the whole #metoo campaign encourages? It's not an overall solution. Is that what you mean Shellie?Ianbolton
- Shellie, shes talking about contempofeminism having the wrong one, not her having the right one btw. You can necessarily discuss one and not touch on the other.cannonball1978
- But imaging it wouldnt take much internet sleuthing to uncover her positive assertionscannonball1978
- Assertions as solutions, i meancannonball1978
- cannon said "You're also missing that she's arguing the solution, not the problem." im just asking what the solution is then?shellie
- Ill try to be more clear: her issue is with the solutions that feminism takes. This blurb doesn’t have a solution. The solution I mean is feminism’s (#metoo etccannonball1978
- Ill also add that I dont agree with everything she is for BUT I agree that the ideologies of modern feminism is just one path... and a path that seemscannonball1978
- ... to not welcome skepticism or criticism. Even though people like Ella are on the same page more or less when it comes to societys ills.cannonball1978
- Even simpler: Feminism: “I have a way to deal with these problems.” Her: “Yes these are problems but thats the wrong solution.”cannonball1978
- Shellie: “Whats your solution, then, huh?! Huh!?” Her: “Not this stupid stuff, which is prolly making stuff worse.”cannonball1978
- that doesn't seen contructive at all. it just sounds like bitchy backseat driver with no driving tips or directions.shellie
- Remove and replace > build on faulty premisecannonball1978
- I don't see why she calls it a phantom epidemic when in reality you have new stories about this on an almost daily basis.yuekit
- Which of the allegations is she saying aren't serious? Or she just doesn't like the storyline because it doesn't go with her anti-feminist worldview?yuekit
- ^ perhaps, reread it.Gnash
- She tries to inject class into it to somehow invalidate the storyline but...where is she getting this from? I'm pretty sure working class women don't want to beyuekit
- sexually harassed either.yuekit
- "Normal, working-class women don't get a look-in. We're the wrong kind of women"yuekit
- Seems like a strange complaint. Was she expecting the evening news to report on some waitress at a local diner getting her ass grabbed?yuekit
- She says "we" but she's the editor of a magazine and a published author. Pretty sure she's not working class herself.yuekit
- I guess we're not reading the same thingGnash
- I mean it's only four paragraphs. And I even quoted her directly a couple times.yuekit
- you use some of her words, but not the meaning or intent.Gnash
- who are you to say she's not working class? Perhaps she worked her way through school. or perhaps she just identifies that way.Gnash
- She never suggested WC women want to be assaulted.Gnash
- When she says "phantom epidemic" she's not suggesting sexual assault isn't happening, only that it's not this brand, new trend nobody has noticed until now.Gnash
- she's suggesting that feminist movement is exclusive of WC women and is "spurred on by...[list]" which is a reasonable statementGnash
- She seems to be saying there's something frivolous or misguided about people coming forward with sexual assault stories.yuekit
- It just seems disconnected from the seriousness of many of the actual stories. Of course if they all involved touching someone's knee I could see her point.yuekit
- ^ this. and honestly safety in numbers is a huge reason ppl are coming forward. i posted a story here in March and it took over a decade for me to say anythingshellie
- yet still, for now, im protecting his idenity because it. is. hard! i know if i drop his name, his wife abd fam will suffer. if i don't, others may suffer.shellie
- that's one bc way people are silenced. Also a fear if being blackballed. that is very real. i dont see how ending that sick cycle is a bad idea.shellie
- "Neither do you need a social media movement to have the guts to stand up to any guy who crosses the line."cannonball1978
- To my mind, when you take it to social media, you aren't confronting your abuser, You are saying some things and then letting the public confront them.cannonball1978
- And the fucked up thing is that I can't rationalize like that without someone incapable of critical thought assume I'm "on the wrong team".cannonball1978
- Set things right, yes. But social media is too distorted and fucked up for any proportional justice or perspective.cannonball1978
- People are unable to establish or distinguish between what exactly the different levels of inappropriate behavior are. Long hug = rape. Etc.cannonball1978
- So that spools up hysteria, erodes how we talk and think about things. Victims have their solidarity and pseudo-safety. The trade off is we can't think straightcannonball1978
- about the actual issues that made them victims to begin with , because the issues themselves are uses for political power.cannonball1978
- *end rant*cannonball1978
- PonyBoy-1
Tavis Smiley fires back at sexual harassment allegations: 'PBS made a huge mistake'
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainm…
"During a live sit-down interview on "Good Morning America" today, Smiley, 53, reiterated that "I've never groped, I've never coerced" women into sexual relations on his staff "in 30 years over six different networks.""
- chukkaphob3
Melissa Schuman, a member of the all-girl pop group Dream, wrote in a blog post that Backstreet Boys singer Nick Carter raped her in his Santa Monica apartment in 2002. She wrote she was 18 and a virgin at the time.
https://melissaexplainsitall.wor…
- Rape is a super serious allegation and the fact the statute of limitations prevents this being argued before a judge in a criminal trial is troubling.BusterBoy
- I think apart from being a watershed period for asshole and criminal men, it also places the onus on victims to report crimes to authorities ASAP.BusterBoy
- Possibly unfair to place that burden on the victim, but it's a byproduct of the #metoo movement.BusterBoy
- chukkaphob3
Bob Weinstein (Harvey Weinstein's brother) Accused of Sexual Harassment by TV Showrunner
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/…
- chukkaphob5
Android creator Andy Rubin Left Google After Inquiry Found Inappropriate Relationship with a Subordinate
https://www.theinformation.com/a…
- PonyBoy-8
Franken urged to reverse his resignation
The demands from Democrats that he step down were 'the most hypocritical thing I’ve ever seen done to a human being,' Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) says.
https://www.politico.com/story/2…
"At least four senators are urging Al Franken to reconsider resigning, including two who issued statements calling for the resignation two weeks ago and said they now feel remorse over what they feel was a rush to judgment."
- PonyBoy-9
Minnie Driver, Alyssa Milano Slam Matt Damon's "Spectrum of Behavior" Sexual Misconduct Comments
https://www.hollywoodreporter.co…
"“Dear Matt Damon, It’s the micro that makes the macro,” Milano tweeted Friday, sharing her initial response and unhappiness with Damon’s comments. “We are in a ‘culture of outrage’ because the magnitude of rage is, in fact, overtly outrageous. And it is righteous,” Milano wrote. “I have been a victim of each component of the sexual assault spectrum of which you speak. They all hurt. And they are all connected to a patriarchy intertwined with normalized, accepted–even welcomed– misogyny.”"
