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- grafician6
BREAKING: Pfizer begins phase 1 clinical trial for an oral drug for Covid-19.
- robotinc3
Pr2, if you actually took the time to read the things I post, you realize that the study looked at 780 969 people, of which 3000 were in the 18-24 year old age group to which the study was interested in.
It seems like rather than discuss the merits of one study/story or another, you’d rather engage in ad hominem attacks.
- TLDNRGuyFawkes
- my friend, go to the previous page and count the number of posts YOU created to attack me. so maybe before you show off your knowledge of latin you...pr2
- ...look in the mirror first?pr2
- the point is that the final number is infinitely small, while out of context, 2.7% of young dying sounds very scary. and i'm done with fear-mongers.pr2
- he didn't attack you, he responded to your nonsense with some factsmonospaced
- gentleman come down. there is room for both, fear and no-fear in us and both is important to fight this pandemic. don't talk to personal. we will fight this!api
- pr2 isn't fighting it, because he doesn't believe it's worth addressingmonospaced
- once again monodummy, 88 (people who died out of the 3000) out of 781k is what percentage point? 0.01%.pr2
- bogue10
Just thinking about Fear Mongering since you mentioned it pr2. I remember growing up in Canada when I was about 14 there was an outbreak of some kind of flu, or virus at a long term care facility. 8 residents died. It was big news, for a long time. There were public inquiries, people were held accountable and there were major reforms put in place to make sure it never happened again.
In January of this year 58 residents of a long term care facility in Barrie Ontario died in a 3 week period from Covid. Nobody batted an eyelash because that was just one of dozens of outbreaks and mass fatality events in Southern Ontario alone. One of hundreds in Canada. One of thousands in North America.... you get my drift.
It doesn't matter how you crunch the numbers. Something is happening in the world that wasn't happening in 2019, and there is delicate balance to be found between living in fear and trying to push forward in this new reality.
So pr2, please shut the fuck up and give people some space for their fear and their grief. It's appropriate for the moment we're living in.
- my small children are directly affected by your stupid irrational fears, so no, i won't shut up about about your ignorance.pr2
- Everyone's affected by this, pr2.
Not just you.Nairn - pr2 is a staunch anti-masker and a committed covid pandemic denier, though, so his children shouldn't have to suffer if people continue wearing masksmonospaced
- Mono, you're denying and dismissing everything that doesn't fit your narrative. Chill, people are discussing.ApeRobot
- No I’m not.monospaced
- See, you're denying. ;DApeRobot
- Your small children are not the only ones affected by the pandemic. I guess my children will learn courage, sacrifice and compassion.bogue
- And your children will learn how to be ruthlessly selfish cunts.bogue
- lol telling me to chill when it is BOGUE who wrote the post here calling him out and said “shut the fuck up.” Please redirect your bullshit accordingly. Thanksmonospaced
- And no I am not denying or dismissing ANYTHING to fit a narrative. If I were you would be specific. But you can’t because you’re making shit up.monospaced
- pr2 kids are gonna suck when they're old enough to think they are thinking for themselvescanoe
- you wear a mask in NYC where 45 to 75% (depending on the way you calculate ACTUAL cases) already had covid and you are a patented moron.pr2
- wrong again, anti maskermonospaced
- wrong again, mask masturbator.pr2
- c'mon., 'maskurbator' at least?Nairn
- i give you that one, good one!pr2
- grafician1
JUST IN: German says it will use Russia's Sputnik V vaccine if it is approved by European Medicines Agency
- grafician0
"One dose of Pfizer or Moderna vaccines was 80% effective in preventing Covid in CDC study of health workers"
- Key word here: PREVENTING!grafician
- "effectiveness jumped to 90% two weeks after the second dose"grafician
- Another story here:
https://www.nytimes.…grafician
- MarleyMarl1
It's not about efficacy. The common flu vaccine only has 40-60% efficacy. Watch and learn.
- This video is literally a few posts back on this SAME page...grafician
- Cool.MarleyMarl
- Important enough to have it posted twice on every page as there are fucktard asshats here who still use shit math for anti mask conspiracies.monospaced
- And they are so moronic that they quote efficacy rates and skew them as reasons NOT to vaccinate or wear masks. So this is important. For the idiot videographermonospaced
- *High five!MarleyMarl
- SimonFFM1
Is AstraZeneca widely used in the UK? If yes, are there any reports about deaths after vaccination?
Because in Germany we have 31 reported cases of blood cloth, 9 lead to deaths (as of 30/03/2021) and I am only curious to know if this issue is known/reported in the UK as well.
When googling, I couldn't find anything about it. Therefore asking here.
- "More than 11 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine have now been administered across the UK...kingsteven
- and the number of blood clots reported after having the vaccine is not greater than the number that would have occurred naturally in the vaccinated population."kingsteven
- from Dr Phil Bryan of UK's Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency - yesterdaykingsteven
- oh, quote from the 15th of march, no idea how many UK is at now...kingsteven
- Hence the lack of negative google info. Did those 9 deaths definitely happen as a direct result of clots from the AZ vaccine?Fax_Benson
- The investigations found no connection between the vaccine and people with blood clotting.monospaced
- It was pretty much halted across all of Europe and beyond to look into it. It wasn’t 9 deaths though. I think it was just 1 in Austria.monospaced
- yep and at least 9 of those 31 cases are of a specific thrombosis (i imagine many more by now) were found to be unrelated and treatable in that report last weekkingsteven
- ... assuming that the german study was 9 german cases.kingsteven
- https://64.media.tum…PhanLo
- The USA hasn't approved it, right? We traded it to Canada for future doses and now Canada has halted it as well to investigate clotting.nb
- The USA doesn't want to approve of the AstraZeneca because stem cell were used in the vaccine. The religious morons in the USA are going bonkers over this.utopian
- @PhanLo kekmilfhunter
- Dying at age ~48 from taking a prophylaxis is not a good option.SimonFFM
- everything will be just fine.renderedred
- We are close to 30 mill help the in the UK, I myself and friends and family have had the AZ vaccine. This is a political fight and it's gonna cost livesnecromation
- 31 case versus the damage COVID cause is bonkers! Having had it bad enough to end up in hospital (one night) in Dec and still not 100% now. Take the jabnecromation
- Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson are betterStoicLevels
- oh man, the austrian chancelor is in serious political troubles and he now goes ahead to order sputnik without EMA approval...as a PR show coz he is a dumb fukneverscared
- sted0
Hospitals can't pay suppliers, 5500 (~10%) active essential workers left medicare, and people are getting vaccinated without testing.
Meanwhile the government occupies independent universities by converting them into foundations with curators from the private sector. The nations largest oligarch receives loans 10x the size of the medicare debt.
And direct quote from a leading politician (that's the official government narrative):
„A keleti vakcinák eddig 600 ezer magyar embernek mentették meg az életét, illetve óvták meg őket a súlyos betegségtől, a nyugati vakcinák hiánya miatt pedig 20 ezer magyar vesztette életét.”
"Asian vaccines have so far saved the lives of 600,000 Hungarians and protected them from serious illness, and 20,000 Hungarians have lost their lives due to the lack of Western vaccines."
- omahadesigns-1
Don't care anymore. I'll wear a mask in public and social distance and be respectful, but I still haven't gotten this virus and know it won't kill me. Two friends got it and only lost their sense of taste.
I don't spend time with anyone old or compromised without a mask.
Over it.
- Great attitude. Let us know how that works for you if you get, survive and are dealing with any of the potential long-term effects for the rest of your life.MarleyMarl
- I appreciate that you are taking precautions and thinking about others. But you're an idiot with that rationale about your own wellbeing.MarleyMarl
- Clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed.utopian
- the question is, if you know it's so insignificant (and in general it is), why put up with the imposition of the system that wants us to live in fear?pr2
- Fax_Benson0
Optimistic but interesting look at how the way we live might improve, post-lockdown.
- If we update the notion of "normal" after this, it's something. Business as usual is not an option going forward.grafician
- watched a doc about Jane Jacobs a few years back. She was saying all this stuff 50 yrs ago.Fax_Benson
- Nairn0
^
I did have an idle thought earlier that perhaps this whole thing was planned under UN AGENDA 21 and was intended to make us all accustomed to the idea of reduced travel and telecommuting. What's a couple of million people's sacrifice, eh?.
I'm not entirely believing, before you jump on me.
- mathinc6
Bought a bike for one of my kids from a guy in a neighboring city. While we were messaging over FB Marketplace before meeting to buy the bike he tells me they're moving so his wife's mother can help take care of her. Turns out his very-much-in-shape, younger-side-of-40 wife caught covid last Mar, barely survived, then thinks she caught it again, and now she's been on oxygen ever since. When we met up she came with and I got to meet her. She could barely walk 50 yards and then she had to return to the car. That's honestly my worst fear, being disabled long-term. I was chatting with him while the kids all rode bikes and the guy was in tears while he talked about how much their lives had changed. He said she has an hour or two where she's alert and herself but the rest of the time she's either sleeping, in pain, or out of it. Crazy sad.
- That's brutal.PhanLo
- Oh my... :'(OBBTKN
- :(nb
- But If you're omahadesigns you don't care anymore because you know the virus won't kill you. *Golf clap.MarleyMarl
- Marley is so concerned about others, he wants them to choke on their mask and keep them in perpetual prison for the rest of their life. Great logic!pr2
- pr2, dude, masks are like a really really really easy thing to wear. it aint a big deal.inteliboy
- inteli, if this was just about the mask, you would never hear from me.pr2
- what would it take to never hear from you?bogue
- bogue, $20.pr2
- HorribleSimonFFM
- Ramanisky214
- Karmautopian
- Lovely. Fuck that tool. Don’t believe the news, science, or rational thought.
But do believe some third rate Bradley Cooper with a megaphonerobotinc - ^ lol 3rd rate Bradley Cooper was exactly my thought.Ramanisky2
- Go get em bike men!milfhunter
- Never knew those megaphones had USB/SD Card ports on them. Pretty cool. And doesn't the long hair idiot in the car need to work and earn money?shapesalad
- just trust the government, they have your well-being as their top priorityrenderedred
- Emo Philips is woke!microkorg
- is that that pr2 guy who routinely shits up this thread?face_melter
- He repeats "You've been psychologically manipulated, but we still love you." Megaphone guy immediately gaslights man who said only "shut the fuck up"nb
- Idiotjagara
- guy with megaphone that isjagara
- haha some dummies defend a guy who literally looses his mind on camera. what's next for you, defending killer psychopaths?pr2
- lolfadein11
- Learning to spell properly and knowing the difference between 'loses' and 'looses' should ne next for you.face_melter
- @pr2 you're being psychologically manipulated.Morning_star
- I'm with the cyclist. If someone drove past me like that I'd smash their window and grab their megaphoneProjectile
- +1 @ Vigilante Cyclist.ideaist
- fucking Nazis who don't see themselves that they would be the first in line to wear the brown shirts.pr2
- Cyclist may have been trying to get through depression by cycling, after seeing his wife fade away in the ICU with covid. So yeah, megaphone guy is a cunt.shapesalad
- the cyclist could have worn a mask to hide his identity when doing thismonospaced
- @pr2 is psychologically manipulating his child into being as big of a science denying, reality skewing derptard just like this douchefuck in the carmonospaced
- If was trying to get through the death of my loved one, by trying to be active, cycling, and some idiot who spent too long on reddit started shout crap,shapesalad
- crap that makes a joke of the reason my loved one died, in a horrific death.. then yes I was smash his car window and more probably.shapesalad
- I would also type better and proof read.shapesalad
- Imagine seeing a guy who is videoing himself driving around shouting his ideas from a megaphone and thinking THAT guy is the reasonable guynb
- Viral guerilla ad marketing for Pyle Megaphones?nb
- WowNBQ00
- lol at the mental gymnsatics and invoking Godwin with the NAZI BRAIN GESTAPO!!face_melter
- QBN - The Nazi Storm TroopersHayoth
- maybe it's just that the van wasn't sharing the road ..and cut off and nearly hit the cyclist?Krassy
- When we criticize nazi, were commies.
When we criticize idiots we're Nazis.
Fucken which one is it?pango - Easy. You’re Asian so commie by default. But also a Nazi because qbn.monospaced
- Pr2 you're a fucking idiot.
So are you hayoth.pango - Is the megaphone guy pro or against masks, etc.? What kind of prank did they intend to film? Didn’t understand properly.SimonFFM
- @Haymook - Are we all a bunch of "commi nazi's" or are we "socialists fascists"? You village idiot...you still don't know the fucking difference!utopian
- This entire thing was staged. Hobo Bradley Cooper is gonna milk this all the way to a spot on Tucker Carlson.monNom
- Hobo Brad was "being ironic" apparently, according to comments. Biker didn't get the joke. I don't either.sarahfailin
- taking it upon yourself to "wake people up" how righteous of you. gfysea_sea
- Punch him just because of megaphone.cannonball1978
- thx for introducing me to Hobo Bradley.
now he won't show up on my feed anymore.pango
- pr2-7
Can we start taking bets, so that we put our money where out mouths are?
In NYC 45 to 75% of the population had the virus so the curve will stay flat according to my stats. Anyone wants to bet against it? $20 to start with?- https://i.kym-cdn.co…hans_glib
- hahaha, are you trying to prove peoples altruistic concerns are unfounded by offering them the chance to win money if people die? such a mindkingsteven
- i'm trying to show the hypocrisy behind their "altruistic concerns"pr2
- good luck with thatkingsteven
- lolololol "according to my stats" https://www.nytimes.…nb
- nb, just place your bet. easy $20 if you are right.pr2
- Goading strangers on the net to place bets on human deaths? Take a look at yourself, man.nb
- put your money where your mouth is. your "i'm holier-than-thou" talk is cheap.pr2
- What’s your timeline? It’s going to be higher than the second wave the way it’s going then it will eventually flatten but not any time soon_niko
- lets find a source of data we can agree on. then pick the timeline. i'm open. either the 45-75% is correct = flat curve or i'm totally wrong = $20 for you.pr2
- Can’t take a bet in your made up, full of complete bullshit, fake af imaginary “stats” that you can’t even justify. LOLmonospaced
- Also people are being vaccinated so everything you predict is probably due to that and not dumbfucks who don’t wear masks and still deny the pandemic.monospaced
- you are welcome mono, you are welcome.pr2
- Isn't it actually the people who minimized the danger who have been proven wrong at every turn?yuekit
- One year ago, "it's just the flu, no need to panic"
Now: "let's make bets on how many will die in the next wave"yuekit - Nobody would thank and anti mask fucktard. You’re a selfish, irresponsible piece of shit and you’re spreading dangerous misinformation. Miserable cunt.monospaced
- yue, 1 year ago we had nothing but math models. today we have real data.pr2
- mono, put your money where you silly mouth is.pr2
- as I explained nobody can take a bet on a fantasy scenario based on your own unique fuzzy imaginationmonospaced
- So, enjoy continued mocking and downvotes from the people here who know what a clown you are, and how fucking stupid this post is.monospaced
- The only reason the curve may be flat is because fucktards like you refuse to do jack shit, and others are getting vaccinated. Your reason is total garbage.monospaced
- The curve should go down, if asshats had actually done shit. Instead, anti-mask retards fucked it up and prolonged it another year. Fuck you and your kind.monospaced
- you clearly don't know how this virus works and how the curve should look like.pr2
- since i'm done with educating dimwits like u, how about making easy money if you really stand behind your believes?pr2
- Also where are you talking geographically? Globally? Set out your variables and definitions for each and let’s go_niko
- Lol How many $20 do you have to lose? NYC is skyrocketing at the moment, what flattening?_niko
- Where are you getting the data that says 45-75% of the population infected in the past equals immunity?yuekit
- And lol @ 45-75%. How can you draw any conclusion from such a vague estimate?yuekit
- It’s easy if you are deluded into thinking you’re smarter than experts and are convinced bullshit math is real. Also if you are an anti mask fucking asshole.monospaced
- He thinks he’s educating people. Fact is, he’s not doing anything like that. Skewing scientific findings through ignorance is his MOmonospaced
- drgs0
I'm with pr2 here
COVID-19: Rethinking the Lockdown Groupthink
https://www.frontiersin.org/arti…Tl:dr; A doctor from Alberta explaining why he intitally supported lockdowns, but now he thinks it was a mistake. It all started with delusional models which predicted 40 millions dead by the end of 2020. Like with all things in American media, covidocrisis was framed as war, conformism and obedience became the main public virtue, and people who objected to it declared traitors.
The largest share of covid victims are not the people who are sick with covid, but victims of medical refusal caused by the panic.
Comparing the damages from lockdown (quantified in QALY, "quality of life years") versus the benefits from lockdown, the sacrifice is ten times more:"Another cost-benefit analysis for the UK used National Institute for Health and Care Excellence guidelines for resource decisions, that 1 QALY should cost no more than US$38.4K. Assuming lockdown could save up to 440 K people (although more likely at most: 66.65 million population × 40% to herd immunity × 0.24% IFR = 64 K people) of 5 QALY each, and a minimum GDP loss of 9% (i.e., assuming lost output comes back quickly, and not including any health costs of unemployment or disrupted education), “the economic costs of the lockdown... is far larger than annual total expenditure on the UK national health service... the benefits of that level of resources applied to health... would be expected to generate far more lives saved than is plausibly attributable to the lockdown in the UK... The cost per QALY saved of the lockdown looks to be far in excess... (often by a factor of 10 and more) of that considered acceptable for health treatments in the UK (page 9–10)” (147). The authors estimated the benefit of easing restrictions for over the next 3 months outweighs the cost by 7.3–14.6X (147). “A cost-benefit analysis of 5 extra days at COVID-19 alert level 4” for New Zealand found that the cost in QALY was 94.9X higher than the benefit (183). Finally, a cost-benefit analysis for the US is shown in Table 8, finding the cost of lockdown would be at least 5.2X the benefit (184, 185)."
Debate
- Why not just be very grateful that it wasn't much much worse?grafician
- in my native country, non-covid deaths are the highest since WWII! That said it's more reflection of the gov't ineptitude, but the stats ARE telling.pr2
- Madrid has had no real lockdown since last March and their numbers are no higher than Paris or London.Chimp
- Hey here's some math to tell you what a human life is worth (in local currency that we print as much as want of)nb
- "Like with all things in American media, conformism and obedience became the main public virtue." Slow down there, scientist!!!nb
- it is insane to me that this is still going on. never been convinced that anything beyond masks, basic hygiene, distancing, closing schools makes a difference.kingsteven
- i used to be the "shut down everything" kinda guy, then i started reading the science papers. at first the science was flimsy but nowdays it's very robust.pr2
- propel who bought into the original fear (just as i did), have a hard time accepting the reality.pr2
- *peoplepr2
- In my county, which had lockdowns, the death/case rate is about 33% lower than in Madrid.monospaced
- mono's reasoning: one instance of lower death rate + lockdowns = lockdowns work. That's not how the science works sonny.pr2
- The problem as I see it is that too many people can't be trusted to abide by common sense distancing and hygiene/mask rules.Nairn
- The other problem being that non-authoritarian regimes can't fully actualise lockdowns, so they're more ineffective and ultimately, far more costly.Nairn
- Damned if they do, damned if they diddle.Nairn
- There's no one size fits all solution. Lockdowns make more or less sense in different countries, states, cities, socio-economic groups etc.Fax_Benson
- In the UK, lockdowns were demonstrably effective in reducing cases, deaths - in the absence of, as Nairn says, 100% suitably sensible population..Fax_Benson
- and given the fact that we fucked it up initially.Fax_Benson
- Anyone who still thinks that doing nothing is okay has nothing to back it up. Either stupid or just willfully ignorant af.monospaced
- purpose of a lockdown is to give the med system some breathing room. BUT in many cases it was so badly instituted...pr2
- ...that it cost us more lives by, among others, denying people life-saving procedures.pr2
- anyone who doesn't see the lockdown as double-edge sword is either a child or a profound simpleton.pr2
- I don't disagree with you there - originally the lockdowns were to 'flatten the curve' then somewhere along the line it became total eradication, or somesuchNairn
- Basically, every cunt except China and Taiwan, et al, fucked up. NEXT time we'll hopefully get it right. They had SARS, we didn't.Nairn
- Nobody is saying lockdowns aren't a double edged sword. They were the best bet at the time and without them covid and, ergo, non-covid situation would have beenFax_Benson
- worse. You wanking on about data that wasn't available at the time with hindsight we didn't have doesn't change that.Fax_Benson
- Fax, to claim that non-covid deaths would have been even worse without lockdown is perplexing at best. Lockdowns were the "headless chicken" solution.pr2
- Posts a cost-benefit analysis, doesn't understand basic virology. If you want to debate about this, I'm happy to do so. Among other things, I work in..garbage
- ..medical publishing and am privy to, for lack of a better term, high-level hospital administration group text.garbage
- For instance, in November 2019 there were very important people shitting their pants and predicting a lockdown because Americans are too stupid and arrogant..garbage
- ..to use basic precautions. Also worries that it would be politicized by a fucking moron (that knew as early as they did) that it would kill at least 100k.garbage
- In Nov 2019 NOBODY knew crap. They were using math predictions that were laughed out of the room long ago.pr2
- 100k is nothing if u consider that every year 2.8m people die in US alone.pr2
- i think its been covered above but aye, in respect to other measures lockdown has little effect and is the most harmful, when its being used as it is herekingsteven
- ... as a prolonged measure in an attempt to lower cases while negating other more effective measures its effect is lessened further...kingsteven
- i'm not too sure how things are elsewhere, here we've been on lockdown/ 2 households for 10 months of the last 12 and we're now on the verge of civil warkingsteven
- problem with Ireland is that less than 20% of u guys had it, so however you look at it - a lot of people will still die/get it before it's over.pr2
- nearly half have received their first shot in the north now so i'm hopeful for some normal soon but it's gonna be tricky while the south catches upkingsteven
- They actually did. Medical professionals in 2019 were immediately worried and accurately projected Seattle to be the first vector city.garbage
- Looks like they "knew crap". And lockdowns do work, and original projections were blown out of the water due to superspreader events.garbage
- 100k was the hopeful projection if Americans could you know, not be stupid fucking Americans.garbage
- https://www.cdc.gov/…garbage
- And if you read, there was a significant number of excess deaths, so foh with that. Both from COVID and from people being afraid to go to get treatment they..garbage
- ..normally would have gotten. And there's already evidence of lingering effects. So yeah, maybe we needed to be stricter about lockdowns instead of..garbage
- ..flirting with a virus that we were misunderstanding in terms of transmissibility, incubation and severity.garbage
- Bumping for pr2. Or have you slunk out once again?garbage
- Paging pr2. Hello? Echo!garbage
- again, echo.garbage
- utopian0
Over 100 fully vaccinated people contract COVID-19 in Washington state, officials say
- Vaccines are max 95% effective, these are the 5%drgs
- And 100% of them won’t have serious likeness, won’t be hospitalized and won’t die. 100% effective.monospaced
- A 95% efficacy (reduced transmission) is totally separate from actual effectiveness from death. Some people still struggle with this.monospaced
- These are the 5%?! lol these are actually the 0.01% ... there have been over a million people vaccinated in DC. Read the article!nb
- sted5
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