#BLM
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- whatthefunk4
- Haha. Perfect :)Gnash
- Well to be fair, slavery in the US started well over 50 years ago.dbloc
- Who said somethin 'bout oil bitch, u cookin? :)helloeatbreathedrive
- red rocks!section_014
- Morning_star0
Abolish police?
Shut down STEM?Are people serious about doing this or is it just some symbolic call to arms that highlights historical racism?
And, has the Mayor of Portland really defunded the police to the tune of $15million?
How is this a good thing?
- There was a photo of some white girl in LDN at the failed BLM march at the weekend with a placard saying "Defund the police". Like.. what? Here?Nairn
- Thoughtless regurgitating drones, the lot of them.Nairn
- some book called In Defense of Looting was doing the rounds over the weekend. Trump only needs a handful of obliging idiots to make his case for himFax_Benson
- Reallocation of funds to community support services is how it’s a good thing.nb
- I understand that NB but that still leaves a police problem. How would that have saved George Floyd from dying during his arrest?Morning_star
- i think the talk of defund the police came after police beat up protesters with military gears. causing permanent injury.pango
- multiple people lost their eyes.pango
- Surely that is a training issue, no? And would be solved by investing in the police?Morning_star
- Not a big fan of Cops or Biden, but it was a smart strategy for him to not fall into the defunding the police rabbit hole12xu
- Biden was in large part responsible for the state of modern policing, for better or worse.MondoMorphic
- It's not a good thing, Morning_starMondoMorphic
- Lol pango, ya they were just prancing about making friendship bracelets when outta nowhere the Nazis stormed in and started poking out all the eyesGnash
- tbf, from my perspective, there is a seemingly HUGE difference between Police funding here in the UK and over there in the States.Nairn
- We have 'specialised weapons units' - presumably people trained and respectful of their profession. Seems over there y'all have idiots with Gulf War materielNairn
- it still weirds me out when I see plod with gunnage, and i've been seeing it 20 years here in London.Nairn
- @gnash remember before Trump did the photo op at th church, the police started beating people?pango
- Try show me any evidence someone was being violent before the beating started.pango
- LolzGnash
- Lolzpango
- drgs3
Guilt-driven anti-racism:
https://www.qbn.com/reply/397882…
https://www.qbn.com/reply/397890…Everything SJW touches turns into a caricature, even if with a good intention
- so if you have upper middle class money and are white you can't protest? and if you do it's fake?inteliboy
- I get where he's coming from, but the world isn't so black and white.inteliboy
- It makes upper middle class even more impenetrable. It's self defense -- to protest against your own class.
https://www.youtube.…drgs - Agree, it’s disgusting really. Self righteous guilt driven oppression is what it is. In it for themselves as virtue signalling as opposed to actually caring_niko
- If they really want to help then just fuck off, this white people throwing on capes to save the day (while making sure to get it on social media) is wack as fuc_niko
- https://i.imgur.com/…Gnash
- Gnash, had to look that pic up, saw the vid, just insanity._niko
- Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!Gnash
- ofcourse you like Zizek. It all makes sense.tank02
- neverscared7
: "Let’s be clear: a 17-year-old vigilante with a rifle cannot maintain order, because a 17-year-old vigilante with a rifle trying to maintain order is himself the definition of disorder"
- monNom1
NY Times reporter is doing a good job reconstructing the timeline of Kenosha Shooter: https://twitter.com/trbrtc
Here's a video showing the events immediately before Ramanisky2's video from yesterday. A group is chasing and attacking the shooter. One in the group appears to fire first (in the air). First victim is part of the group chasing shooter and closes on him before being shot.
https://twitter.com/trbrtc/statu…Later, ongoing chase. 2nd and 3rd victims both actively attacking shooter with a skateboard and a pistol respectively.
https://twitter.com/trbrtc/statu…- 1st
https://twitter.com/…monNom - okay. I have no idea how to link to a tweet.
1st one starts with "At 23:19, Rittenhouse..."
2nd starts with "While fleeing from the scene..."monNom - are you trying to justify what this little terrorist cunt did???
Honest question.Ramanisky2 - Draw your own conclusions. AFAIK this is new evidence not yet included in this thread.monNom
- Okay.
https://thumbs.gfyca…Ramanisky2 - If he was a terrorist, why wait till the last moment when they gang up on him?
https://pbs.twimg.co…drgs - It’s also illegal for a 17 yr old to open carry not to mention murder.
But do go on.Ramanisky2 - If this happened the other way around everyone here would be doing backflips In the opposite direction.Gnash
- He broke 3 laws, for sure. Age, open gun carry only for locals (he is not), and Wisconsin does not have a stand-your-ground law.drgs
- But there is a difference to these two situations:
1) Fire 7 shots in some black dude's back, because you felt he stood the wrong waydrgs - 2) Be 17 and be chased by a gang of BLM protestors, one of them is firing a gun in the air. You end up on your back and they circle you.drgs
- Is the second situation as black and white as the first one?drgs
- Anyone actually bother watching the footage?
https://www.youtube.…PonyBoy - AR Kyle was running away / fleeing... he was tripped and smacked w/a skateboard while another dude shot his handgun in the air... what a fucking mess :/PonyBoy
- I hadn't watched any vids until now. I've only heard news clips that make it sound like another high school shooter went apeshit on a peaceful crowd. :/PonyBoy
- Same here. I read Washington Post article saying he tucked and rolled and opened fire on a crowd. No mention of the chase, nor assailants.monNom
- *cricketsPonyBoy
- Again what was a 17 year-old doing at a protest outside of his home state with an unlicensed/illegal weapon? Cosplay with consequences?jonny_quest_lives
- *Cricketsjonny_quest_lives
- This bullshit "operator" bravado these wannabe militia gun fetishists swagger around with this was bound to happen.jonny_quest_lives
- dunno—what was the dude firing his handgun in the air doing out there armed? seems this story is full of holes but focused on one narrative.PonyBoy
- So all the protesters should also only be homegrown?Gnash
- The kid was leaving, jonny... running away even... I wouldn't have known that w/out watching the video.PonyBoy
- Got it Pony... So in your america I can go to my closest grab a tactical loadout show up at a protest and murder someone if I feel threatened.jonny_quest_lives
- And it doesn't make me the aggressor?jonny_quest_lives
- did you watch the video, jonny?
What you just described is not what happened. yes the kid showed up w/his scary looking gun. So did some clown w/a handgun.PonyBoy - That about the gist of your argument?jonny_quest_lives
- "The kid was leaving"jonny_quest_lives
- Is the clown w/the handgun allowed to shoot his gun like that? ...at a fleeing man or at least in the air to cause the obvious chaos that followed?PonyBoy
- Also—do some research on the skater that's now dead and the other shooter—looks like they not exactly home towners either (lots of folks in that crowd aren't)PonyBoy
- The Kid shouldn't have fucking been there. Cops shouldn't allow armed "Militia" anywhere near protestors.
CASCADE OF FAILURESjonny_quest_lives - There's no fucking narrative other than the one you are trying to spin to justify this 17 year old kid's actionsjonny_quest_lives
- And to answer your emotionally driven question (not based on the facts at hand)... No, jonny... in 'my america' you can't murder people.PonyBoy
- I'm NOT justifying his actions, jonny. FFS I'd just like the full story. You see a militia man and I see a KID surrounded by KIDS. You're right to be pissed...PonyBoy
- ... at the 'CASCADE OF FAILURES'. I couldn't agree more... but YOU are not focused on the full truth. You see a militiaman w/a big scary gun...PonyBoy
- ... and leave out THE OTHER GUN and the crowd attacking the kid... knocking him to the ground... beating him w/a skateboard and shooting a gun in the air.PonyBoy
- Part of this 'cascade of failures' we are all living through is that folks leave out LOTS OF INFO to run w/one fucking narrative. Fuck that nonsense.PonyBoy
- Did they detain the dude that shot into the air? Is that legal?scarabin
- I posted an article the only out of towners were Gaige Grosskreutz, 26, of West Allis Wisconsin. And the shooter Kyle Rittenhouse of Antioch Illinois.jonny_quest_lives
- "You see a militia man and I see a KID surrounded by KIDS."jonny_quest_lives
- https://www.youtube.…PonyBoy
- "People are getting injured and our job is to protect this business," "And part of my job also is to protect people." -Kyle Rittenhouse Delusional as well.jonny_quest_lives
- his mom drove him there and most likely purchased his illegal weapon. And after he murdered 2 protesters she drove him back across state lines. Tippy Top ParentRamanisky2
- You should feel bad for him... still a kid and filled w/hate not of his own making. Again... I see a crowd of kids and some of them had guns. It saddens me. :(PonyBoy
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- whatthefunk4
- We have a far-left. They just aren't empowered to enact that nonsense.cannonball1978
- I would share this if there was less hand clapping.12xu
- This post tweet whatever just says you are all fucking pussies! Ppl in Belarus took to the streets, you always take to twitter to vent!grafician
- Hang on, I missed this - Wtf are you on about now ffs - who are you calling a pussy? The vice journalist tweet, me, or anyone who tweets? Sorry, hard to followwhatthefunk
- i_monk2
Why Black Lives Don't Matter to 'Black Lives Matter'
- https://i.imgur.com/…pango
- Black lives only matter to guilt stricken white folk who don't really know/care about black people other than to pay lip service and look woke on social media_niko
- Wtf niko?monospaced
- @_niko huh?Krassy
- Exactly what Leo is talking about, nobody really cares about the thousands and thousands of black lives lost each year, nor the innocent children lost_niko
- there are countless activists and organizations focused on local issues, people dedicated to improving their community. Systemic racism is an entirely beast...12xu
- Some actual policy reform, nothing about statues, those stories are just for the media clicks
https://twitter.com/…12xu - ^ who dat?pango
- Newsweek has become a sick conservative shill now. Of COURSE people and BLM cares about black lives. WTF niko?monospaced
- There's BLM the organization and BLM the movement. niko's right about BLM the organization.MondoMorphic
- oh ...monospaced
- omahadesigns-2
- YupGnash
- This hypothetical cartoon person is a great point.nb
- wut? ok. dont know who you're talking about. if you talking about the police, he's in trouble because he murdered george floyd.pango
- Not police, pango - just the likes of whatever greater uninvolved and/or known person, saying something stupid and double standards forcing accountNairn
- Lol at haircannonball1978
- Doxxed and firing =/= getting killed, but I see your point.cannonball1978
- The police didn't mention in the police report that they were killing him because he held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach in the past. Weird.monospaced
- But, we all know that the punishment for being abusive is the death penalty, and you can be executed by the police in the street at any time. Fact.monospaced
- Oh wait, none of this is true, but is required if you want to justify homicidal racism in the police force. There's no point unless you change reality, as shwnmonospaced
- @mono, you missed the point completely.Morning_star
- I guess so. Guess I’m an idiot.monospaced
- Yes. LOL.deadsperm
- LolGnash
- [They] summarize the soft left.
Not smart enough to get the nuances but smart enough to get offended.deadsperm - that -soft left - generalisation is one dumby dumby thing to write.neverscared
- They Don't Think It Be Like It Is, But It Dodeadsperm
- ^ wut? lol
i've only heard 13-22 yrs old talking like that.pango - https://en.wikipedia…deadsperm
- i guess kids are bring it back.pango
- Deuteronomy 32:7deadsperm
- Same crew that defends the burqas but somehow glosses over the honour killings and the gay assassinations._niko
- ^ I doubt that is correctpango
- imbecile7
The Strange Story Of The Man Behind 'Strange Fruit'
https://www.npr.org/2012/09/05/1…
One of Billie Holiday's most iconic songs is "Strange Fruit," a haunting protest against the inhumanity of racism. Many people know that the man who wrote the song was inspired by a photograph of a lynching. But they might not realize that he's also tied to another watershed moment in America's history.
Southern trees bear a strange fruit
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root
Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar treesPastoral scene of the gallant South
The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth
Scent of magnolia, sweet and fresh
Then the sudden smell of burning fleshHere is a fruit for the crows to pluck
For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck
For the sun to rot, for the tree to drop
Here is a strange and bitter crop
- _niko2
UC Berkeley History Professor's Open Letter Against BLM, Police Brutality and Cultural Orthodoxy
Dear profs X, Y, Z
I am one of your colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley. I have met you both personally but do not know you closely, and am contacting you anonymously, with apologies. I am worried that writing this email publicly might lead to me losing my job, and likely all future jobs in my field.
In your recent departmental emails you mentioned our pledge to diversity, but I am increasingly alarmed by the absence of diversity of opinion on the topic of the recent protests and our community response to them.
In the extended links and resources you provided, I could not find a single instance of substantial counter-argument or alternative narrative to explain the under-representation of black individuals in academia or their over-representation in the criminal justice system. The explanation provided in your documentation, to the near exclusion of all others, is univariate: the problems of the black community are caused by whites, or, when whites are not physically present, by the infiltration of white supremacy and white systemic racism into American brains, souls, and institutions.
Many cogent objections to this thesis have been raised by sober voices, including from within the black community itself, such as Thomas Sowell and Wilfred Reilly. These people are not racists or 'Uncle Toms'. They are intelligent scholars who reject a narrative that strips black people of agency and systematically externalizes the problems of the black community onto outsiders. Their view is entirely absent from the departmental and UCB-wide communiques.
The claim that the difficulties that the black community faces are entirely causally explained by exogenous factors in the form of white systemic racism, white supremacy, and other forms of white discrimination remains a problematic hypothesis that should be vigorously challenged by historians. Instead, it is being treated as an axiomatic and actionable truth without serious consideration of its profound flaws, or its worrying implication of total black impotence. This hypothesis is transforming our institution and our culture, without any space for dissent outside of a tightly policed, narrow discourse.
A counternarrative exists. If you have time, please consider examining some of the documents I attach at the end of this email. Overwhelmingly, the reasoning provided by BLM and allies is either primarily anecdotal (as in the case with the bulk of Ta-Nehisi Coates' undeniably moving article) or it is transparently motivated. As an example of the latter problem, consider the proportion of black incarcerated Americans. This proportion is often used to characterize the criminal justice system as anti-black. However, if we use the precise same methodology, we would have to conclude that the criminal justice system is even more anti-male than it is anti-black.
Would we characterize criminal justice as a systemically misandrist conspiracy against innocent American men? I hope you see that this type of reasoning is flawed, and requires a significant suspension of our rational faculties. Black people are not incarcerated at higher rates than their involvement in violent crime would predict. This fact has been demonstrated multiple times across multiple jurisdictions in multiple countries.
And yet, I see my department uncritically reproducing a narrative that diminishes black agency in favor of a white-centric explanation that appeals to the department's apparent desire to shoulder the 'white man's burden' and to promote a narrative of white guilt.
If we claim that the criminal justice system is white-supremacist, why is it that Asian Americans, Indian Americans, and Nigerian Americans are incarcerated at vastly lower rates than white Americans? This is a funny sort of white supremacy. Even Jewish Americans are incarcerated less than gentile whites. I think it's fair to say that your average white supremacist disapproves of Jews. And yet, these alleged white supremacists incarcerate gentiles at vastly higher rates than Jews. None of this is addressed in your literature. None of this is explained, beyond hand-waving and ad hominems. "Those are racist dogwhistles". "The model minority myth is white supremacist". "Only fascists talk about black-on-black crime", ad nauseam.
These types of statements do not amount to counterarguments: they are simply arbitrary offensive classifications, intended to silence and oppress discourse. Any serious historian will recognize these for the silencing orthodoxy tactics they are, common to suppressive regimes, doctrines, and religions throughout time and space. They are intended to crush real diversity and permanently exile the culture of robust criticism from our department.
Increasingly, we are being called upon to comply and subscribe to BLM's problematic view of history, and the department is being presented as unified on the matter. In particular, ethnic minorities are being aggressively marshaled into a single position. Any apparent unity is surely a function of the fact that dissent could almost certainly lead to expulsion or cancellation for those of us in a precarious position, which is no small number.
I personally don't dare speak out against the BLM narrative, and with this barrage of alleged unity being mass-produced by the administration, tenured professoriat, the UC administration, corporate America, and the media, the punishment for dissent is a clear danger at a time of widespread economic vulnerability. I am certain that if my name were attached to this email, I would lose my job and all future jobs, even though I believe in and can justify every word I type.
The vast majority of violence visited on the black community is committed by black people. There are virtually no marches for these invisible victims, no public silences, no heartfelt letters from the UC regents, deans, and departmental heads. The message is clear: Black lives only matter when whites take them. Black violence is expected and insoluble, while white violence requires explanation and demands solution. Please look into your hearts and see how monstrously bigoted this formulation truly is.
No discussion is permitted for nonblack victims of black violence, who proportionally outnumber black victims of nonblack violence. This is especially bitter in the Bay Area, where Asian victimization by black assailants has reached epidemic proportions, to the point that the SF police chief has advised Asians to stop hanging good-luck charms on their doors, as this attracts the attention of (overwhelmingly black) home invaders. Home invaders like George Floyd. For this actual, lived, physically experienced reality of violence in the USA, there are no marches, no tearful emails from departmental heads, no support from McDonald's and Wal-Mart. For the History department, our silence is not a mere abrogation of our duty to shed light on the truth: it is a rejection of it.
The claim that black intraracial violence is the product of redlining, slavery, and other injustices is a largely historical claim. It is for historians, therefore, to explain why Japanese internment or the massacre of European Jewry hasn't led to equivalent rates of dysfunction and low SES performance among Japanese and Jewish Americans respectively. Arab Americans have been viciously demonized since 9/11, as have Chinese Americans more recently. However, both groups outperform white Americans on nearly all SES indices - as do Nigerian Americans, who incidentally have black skin. It is for historians to point out and discuss these anomalies. However, no real discussion is possible in the current climate at our department. The explanation is provided to us, disagreement with it is racist, and the job of historians is to further explore additional ways in which the explanation is additionally correct. This is a mockery of the historical profession.
Most troublingly, our department appears to have been entirely captured by the interests of the Democratic National Convention, and the Democratic Party more broadly. To explain what I mean, consider what happens if you choose to donate to Black Lives Matter, an organization UCB History has explicitly promoted in its recent mailers. All donations to the official BLM website are immediately redirected to ActBlue Charities, an organization primarily concerned with bankrolling election campaigns for Democrat candidates. Donating to BLM today is to indirectly donate to Joe Biden's 2020 campaign. This is grotesque given the fact that the American cities with the worst rates of black-on-black violence and police-on-black violence are overwhelmingly Democrat-run. Minneapolis itself has been entirely in the hands of Democrats for over five decades; the 'systemic racism' there was built by successive Democrat administrations.
The patronizing and condescending attitudes of Democrat leaders towards the black community, exemplified by nearly every Biden statement on the black race, all but guarantee a perpetual state of misery, resentment, poverty, and the attendant grievance politics which are simultaneously annihilating American political discourse and black lives. And yet, donating to BLM is bankrolling the election campaigns of men like Mayor Frey, who saw their cities devolve into violence. This is a grotesque capture of a good-faith movement for necessary police reform, and of our department, by a political party. Even worse, there are virtually no avenues for dissent in academic circles. I refuse to serve the Party, and so should you.
The total alliance of major corporations involved in human exploitation with BLM should be a warning flag to us, and yet this damning evidence goes unnoticed, purposefully ignored, or perversely celebrated. We are the useful idiots of the wealthiest classes, carrying water for Jeff Bezos and other actual, real, modern-day slavers. Starbucks, an organisation using literal black slaves in its coffee plantation suppliers, is in favor of BLM. Sony, an organisation using cobalt mined by yet more literal black slaves, many of whom are children, is in favor of BLM. And so, apparently, are we. The absence of counter-narrative enables this obscenity. Fiat lux, indeed.
There also exists a large constituency of what can only be called 'race hustlers': hucksters of all colors who benefit from stoking the fires of racial conflict to secure administrative jobs, charity management positions, academic jobs and advancement, or personal political entrepreneurship.
Given the direction our history department appears to be taking far from any commitment to truth, we can regard ourselves as a formative training institution for this brand of snake-oil salespeople. Their activities are corrosive, demolishing any hope at harmonious racial coexistence in our nation and colonizing our political and institutional life. Many of their voices are unironically segregationist.
MLK would likely be called an Uncle Tom if he spoke on our campus today. We are training leaders who intend, explicitly, to destroy one of the only truly successful ethnically diverse societies in modern history. As the PRC, an ethnonationalist and aggressively racially chauvinist national polity with null immigration and no concept of jus solis increasingly presents itself as the global political alternative to the US, I ask you: Is this wise? Are we really doing the right thing?
As a final point, our university and department has made multiple statements celebrating and eulogizing George Floyd. Floyd was a multiple felon who once held a pregnant black woman at gunpoint. He broke into her home with a gang of men and pointed a gun at her pregnant stomach. He terrorized the women in his community. He sired and abandoned multiple children, playing no part in their support or upbringing, failing one of the most basic tests of decency for a human being. He was a drug-addict and sometime drug-dealer, a swindler who preyed upon his honest and hard-working neighbors.
And yet, the regents of UC and the historians of the UCB History department are celebrating this violent criminal, elevating his name to virtual sainthood. A man who hurt women. A man who hurt black women. With the full collaboration of the UCB history department, corporate America, most mainstream media outlets, and some of the wealthiest and most privileged opinion-shaping elites of the USA, he has become a culture hero, buried in a golden casket, his (recognized) family showered with gifts and praise. Americans are being socially pressured into kneeling for this violent, abusive misogynist. A generation of black men are being coerced into identifying with George Floyd, the absolute worst specimen of our race and species.
I'm ashamed of my department. I would say that I'm ashamed of both of you, but perhaps you agree with me, and are simply afraid, as I am, of the backlash of speaking the truth. It's hard to know what kneeling means, when you have to kneel to keep your job.
It shouldn't affect the strength of my argument above, but for the record, I write as a person of color. My family have been personally victimized by men like Floyd. We are aware of the condescending depredations of the Democrat party against our race. The humiliating assumption that we are too stupid to do STEM, that we need special help and lower requirements to get ahead in life, is richly familiar to us. I sometimes wonder if it wouldn't be easier to deal with open fascists, who at least would be straightforward in calling me a subhuman, and who are unlikely to share my race.
The ever-present soft bigotry of low expectations and the permanent claim that the solutions to the plight of my people rest exclusively on the goodwill of whites rather than on our own hard work is psychologically devastating. No other group in America is systematically demoralized in this way by its alleged allies. A whole generation of black children are being taught that only by begging and weeping and screaming will they get handouts from guilt-ridden whites.
No message will more surely devastate their futures, especially if whites run out of guilt, or indeed if America runs out of whites. If this had been done to Japanese Americans, or Jewish Americans, or Chinese Americans, then Chinatown and Japantown would surely be no different to the roughest parts of Baltimore and East St. Louis today. The History department of UCB is now an integral institutional promulgator of a destructive and denigrating fallacy about the black race.
I hope you appreciate the frustration behind this message. I do not support BLM. I do not support the Democrat grievance agenda and the Party's uncontested capture of our department. I do not support the Party co-opting my race, as Biden recently did in his disturbing interview, claiming that voting Democrat and being black are isomorphic. I condemn the manner of George Floyd's death and join you in calling for greater police accountability and police reform. However, I will not pretend that George Floyd was anything other than a violent misogynist, a brutal man who met a predictably brutal end.
I also want to protect the practice of history. Cleo is no grovelling handmaiden to politicians and corporations. Like us, she is free.
/end
- So firedGnash
- tl;dr?pango
- I agree with everything he said but I also think cops are fucking dicks._niko
- He’s a Nazi, pangoGnash
- i love linked to thomas sowell. looked him up to see hsitake and realized hey and adult without a twitterdeathboy
- pango read shit. it makes u a bette person.. hopefully through intelligencedeathboy
- no i dont wanna read shit!pango
- you read and write shit.pango
- why would anyone except deathboy want to read shit?pango
- When first saw this post, my first thought was that it was deathboy's.utopian
- haha. come to the darkside of reading pangodeathboy
- no thanks. i can't stand incoherent ramblingpango
- than perhaps you are not fit for the darkside if you cant understadn any of it. best to stick to sunday comicsdeathboy
- you white racist who hate the darkside!deathboy
- right.pango
- lol cant even have fun with it makes me think u might actually not want to read... to each their own right?deathboy
- dude mono u bought a house have a kid. its time to grow up a bit. or not have your wife find a bbc and tell you to fuck off and take halfdeathboy
- Have you actually tried to read your own words? It's so incoherent! It's like your drunk or something.pango
- Shut up you two. It's a very interesting read.i_monk
- Fax_Benson3
I'm wondering if the current trend of taking TV shows and films off various platforms is really the best use of time and energy, and isn't just the latest opportunity for people working in inherently biased industries to assuage their guilt. Or to get some guilt credit. Guilt positive.
Last Tuesday or whichever day it was, my instagram feed was almost entirely made up of blacked out squares posted by designers, architects, breweries, food bloggers, photographers etc. All claimed to be showing solidarity with BLM. Barely any of them seem to employ, feature, promote or show an interest in black designers, architects, photographers etc, and haven't since.
We mostly work in some of the most right-on liberal industries - which also seem to be some of the most inaccessible and resistent to change.
I'm certainly no better than any of the people I'm criticizing. I'm not really criticizing. Just wondering whether a 2 week national debate over whether comedians should apologise for making a shit tv show 15 years ago is really helpful.
- They've banned Fawlty Towers ffs.Doris_McSquirter
- yeah, that's exactly the kind of dimwittery I mean.Fax_Benson
- Someone pulled Gone With The Wind because it’s pro-Confederacy... lololnb
- Self-censorship by corporations is so dumb. I have to fly to EU to rent the new Woody Allen film???nb
- I meant Doris's dimwittery - getting worked up about a less important side issue because you've got the basic facts wrongFax_Benson
- I agree. It seems like upper class liberals simultaneously favor these obnoxiously over the top gestures of banning things, etc -- while at the same timeyuekit
- avoiding action on anything of substance.yuekit
- welcome to the shallow culture you support faxdeathboy
- Akagiyama1
- why? To get rid of a piece of history now associated with south pride, is like getting rid of gay flags or nor cal stickersdeathboy
- u think because its offensive to you that people flying gay pride flags but religion tells them you shouldnt feel that way are any different than you?deathboy
- the idiots who chase emotionally chase symbols they have issue than try to ban them from others as an idea of equality infuriate medeathboy
- pot calling the kettle black. its so selfish with no acknowledgment of it. like a petulant child.deathboy
- pride is a sin is what the bible says. every other pride accept accepted. as soon as religion doctrine starts to decline it rises again in new formsdeathboy
- Preach!deadsperm
- thought you be happy this privately owned business is trying to reach a bigger fan base? maybe cuz the racist fan base was stopping them from growth?pango
- racists are bad for business.pango
- Last time I checked the Pride flag wasn't a deeply-ingrained symblo associated with rape, murder, slavery, kidnapping, and death. You silly little fucking cunt.face_melter
- No one got rid of the confederate flag DB, a private business made a decision not to let a symbol of hatred on their property. You're welcome to still waveben_
- whatever flags you like, obviously.ben_
- The battle flag of the confederacy is not a symbol of southern pride.cannonball1978
- say what you will its coercion censorship. this shit with isis destroying national heritage sites is no differemtdeathboy
- its a pretty slippery slope. if this snitch witchcraft shit engineered to out any disrespectign person to trump... really think through what you are adocatingdeathboy
- similar to a hk person calling out lebron. this fake virtue signalling fear to keeps a fake idea of socials support cant lastdeathboy
- ben_ and as much i appreciate free choice on enterprise it feels like falling to terrorism. waiting for a business to act the adults and say shut the fuck updeathboy
- you insulant children. you are all hypocrites. maybe this time it will teach adults adapting to coial media brings them back into the high school nonsensedeathboy
- let them realize school sucked or rocked becuase bullshit feedback loops. real life outside school sytems are for adultsdeathboy
- get off the social tit and go back to normal.deathboy
- what is normal?pango
- Nope. You’re completely wrong deathboy.Green_Pork
- Ramanisky25
lolz
- nice.nb
- Its not their image, so trying to monetize another persons work is piracycannonball1978
- Oh wait nm for some reason i read it wrongcannonball1978
- imbecile4
Louisville settles Breonna Taylor's wrongful death lawsuit for $12 million
- They should make it come out of the police budget.zarkonite
- what about the cops?!grafician
- ^^ it will come from their budget, most forces have cash for lawsuits. NY police paid out around $300 million in lawsuit settlements last year. Cool, huh?face_melter
- From what I read it's a seperate slush fund that the city uses, sometimes it's even bonds: https://www.marketpl…zarkonite
- As in, they borrow money to pay off settlements but can't borrow to, say, build a school.zarkonite
- inteliboy3
- Who? Who doesn't want to wear the ribbon!?drgs
- hahaha drgsMondoMorphic
- confess your crimes!
https://www.youtube.…monNom - Not a cultGnash
- Just realized that the "ribbon bullies" episode of Seinfeld was aired in 1995. Most of these BLM bullies were not born yet...drgs
- ^ funny episodeGnash
- nb2
After so much “law and order” talk and condemnation of protesters, why does Trump defend Rittenhouse?
What other answer is there other than a racist bias?
All Trump supporters who do not call him out on this are either racist themselves or complicit.
Shame on all who support Trump. They don’t know the first thing about what it means to be American.
- The Republican support for the baseheads is almost as wonky as their support for Trump - it's a cyclical web of dysfunctional party supportwhatthefunk
- I don't get why he doesn't just shut the fuck up about it and not wade in either way. I mean, I do, but I'm still naively incredulous.Nairn
- Don has always been a racist cunt. The mask came fully off with the Central Park Five case. Which he still thinks are guilty.face_melter
- #PariahStates2021Nairn
- He doesn’t stay quiet on it because he’s a legit racist. He doesn’t want to be neutral, he chooses racism.nb
- He defended rittenhouse?scarabin
- Ramanisky22
more Right Wing LIES.
- i still don't understand why blake kept running and refusing to obey plod's command.hans_glib
- i've been threatened with a gun twice and both times i did exactly what i was told. maybe he's a braver man than i was.hans_glib
- not that i'm condoning the cowardly killing of him for one minute - that's a total disgrace and those fucking bastards need prosecuting.hans_glib
- I understand where you’re coming from. Also .. He’s not dead, he’s paralyzed.Ramanisky2
- Violent felon paralysed. Most voters will rejoice at this news. https://www.pewresea…Phrenological
- Hey look everyone,
we have a new green boboRamanisky2 - he got tased just before this, possible that he was in a daze, disoriented and just thinking about his kids?_niko
- remember to keep calm when you're getting tazed kids!pango
- grafician3
"The WNBA announced that the three games scheduled for this evening have been postponed. "
- I stand with them.shellie
- You need to discuss the payment terms in WNBA after this, cuz those girls work their butts off and still get paid trash, "equality" means that across the boardgrafician
- graf... not the we need to discuss this now (but you brought it up)—they get paid based on the revenue they create (which doesn't compare to the men).PonyBoy
- It's a shit fact if you're only looking at in terms of 'hard work'... I'm in agreement w/you there... but fiscally speaking they're not on the same level.PonyBoy
- I'd love to see some WNBA players as NBA point guards. RIP Gianna Bryant could have been the first. That's how we break the pay scale barrier.shellie
- @Pony I get your point, I know that, but sports should be judged based on effort and performance, not ratings, sorry.grafician
- @shellie rip Gianna, she would've been great no doubt! Follow Sabrina, she's amazing https://twitter.com/…grafician
- that'd be fucking cool, shellie—I feel like some of these girls are close (I follow the Phx Mercury closer than I do the Phx Suns—some of these girls...PonyBoy
- ... can seriously compete)PonyBoy
- unfortunately there wouldn't be a league w/out money and ratings, graf... another shit fact... I know :/PonyBoy
- Back when I was playing bball in highschool we played regularly with our girls team mixed games, don't nobody tell me they deserve less paygrafician
- @Pony I'm not arguing, this is the situation rn, but I'm saying that's needs to changegrafician
- No doubt, graf... all that aside tho... how do we get more people to watch? Cuz that's the only way they get paid more.PonyBoy
- don't nobody tell me Gianna Bryant could'nt compete in the NBA same level someday, the Game is pure, is just managed by white rich guys that want to keep the stgrafician
- status quo, same as with any pro sportsgrafician
- Imagine a league where Gianna could've been in the same Lakers team with Bronny James!grafician
- Imagine Serena beating Federer at Wimbledon! Just fucking imagine!grafician
- Gianna had the power of press and the Mamba legacy behind her. I think her "team" could have got it done. She would have been a big money maker for the league.shellie
- We need another future star people can get behind while she's still at high school level like they do for the boys and point her toward the NBA, with brandsshellie
- like Nike, huge sports agents and sports coverage getting behind that.shellie
- It wasn't long ago they thought women couldn't compete or work with men doing a lot of things. I'd love to see this barrier broken.shellie
- TBH i'd rather see so many more women make it to mixed AAA teams to eventually feed into the pros or let them mix play in Europe or broad to get their chops up.shellie
- "White owners" don't control what 'you or I' choose to watch, graf. WNBA games are very accessible... How do you get more people to watch?PonyBoy
- Idk shellie maybe I'm too of an idealist, but like I said I played mixed games and girls were the same level, our coach was a woman too, no issuesgrafician
- And I dunno about Serena defeating Federer. :) Even she admitted: “If I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes...PonyBoy
- I'm all for diversity and equality, can't believe we're having these discussions now, fuck baby steps, I'm all in with change nowgrafician
- ...maybe 10 minutes. No, it’s true. It’s a completely different sport. The men are lot faster and they serve harder, they hit harder..."PonyBoy
- ...it’s just a different game."
—SerenaPonyBoy - the sports brands like nike or adidas already run mixed play ads for years, we just need to change the leagues to play ballgrafician
- same in tech, design, whatever, I'm sick of seeing levels and not equalitygrafician
- @Pony no doubt, but one is Serena saying it, the other is Serena playing it, let's all compete on performance, not gender, race, etc.grafician
- I'm w/you on intellectual pursuits and equality... I'm even w/you in the desire to see both sexes treated equally in sports... I just don't know how you're...PonyBoy
- ... going to be able to pay someone the same amount of money (regardless of sex) when they don't generate nearly the same value (even though it's the same work)PonyBoy
- Mixed games would be amazing, but let's just start with paying women the same, it's the same sports after all, just sayinggrafician
- And by 'value' I of course mean the monetary revenue they generatePonyBoy
- I'll put it another way: If you forced the WNBA to pay it's players on the level of the NBA ave. wage the WNBA would be out of business tomorrow.PonyBoy
- ... it doesn't have the revenue the NBA does so it' can't pay like the NBA does. The question is how to bring on more viewers / generate fans.PonyBoy
- @Pony sorry man, you pay the same $10 for Amazon OR Netflix, even if Netflix has way more subscribers, you see any difference in value of service?grafician
- Do you think Amazon pays less to actors than Netflix just because Amazon has less subscribers for now? I don't think so...grafician
- Although both surely pay less to women actors lolgrafician
- So if I pay $10 to Amazon OR Netflix I expect they distribute that equally between men and woman actors, you get me now?grafician
- NBA 2019 revenue: $7.4 billion
WNBA 2019 revenue: $60 millionPonyBoy - Get those numbers up... your Netflix and other examples aren't really apples to apples in terms of revenue, grafPonyBoy
- f revenue and capitalism spoiling equality in sports, movies, arts, everything! So mixed teams it is!grafician
- sports salaries, sadly, are defined by audience draw, overall revenue, ad sales, promos, licenses, etc, and that accounts for a lot of the discrepancymonospaced
