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- Milan1
- police should just take orders from bystanders, then this wouldn’t happenGnash
- ^ So an entire group is telling them they got the wrong guys but that doesn’t matter GTFO!!!Ramanisky2
- I’ll revise, the police should take orders from bystanders, as long as the entire group of bystanders is in agreement with the course of action.Gnash
- Witness testimony should be considered yes.monospaced
- That’s what I’m sayingGnash
- Sorry if I misread your note gnash
My bad.Ramanisky2 - So all you have to when you’ve committed a crime is get your friend to call 5-0 and hang around until they come to arrest you. At that point get some more...Morning_star
- ...more mates to protest your innocence and the cops should let you go?Morning_star
- Karen of the day threadPonyBoy
- I was hoping they'd shoot the camera woman for her repeated bad grammar, jeez._niko
- If a group of witnesses can help police avoid killing or hurting anyone innocent, yeah, that's a good thing.monospaced
- So rather than invest in proper training for cops you think a good thing to have would be roadside kangaroo courts.Morning_star
- nudes0
- Why do they have to shut up but he gets to blabber on for hours on YouTube? This guy isn't even funny, he's the laziest comedian* I've ever seen.nb
- I totally agree with this idiot_niko
- How about this guy shuts up?omahadesigns
- Actually agree 100%omahadesigns
- But no Gal Gadot singing, shameNBQ00
- dude is moronutopian
- no you shut the fuck upmilfhunter
- not this moron again.neverscared
- colin_s3
i agree that defunding the police is a ridiculous proposal.
abolition would be a compromise.
every police force in america should be abolished and governments should reconstruct public safety from the ground up with a diversity of jobs that are called on for different issues. "9-1-1" could still be an emergency number but it is up to the switchboard operator to dispatch the proper response teams.
this is the spearhead to dismantling capitalism in america.
- defunding isn't what it sounds like according to some memes which is where i get all my newsmoldero
- defunding police means reducing them to protecting and serving the public like it says on their door, instead of assaulting citizens with military grade weaponsimbecile
- Haha. Which hunts and mob rule wod definitely destroy capitalism. And the cost of most freedomsdeathboy
- Colin. Curious where u picture yourself in such an environment. Nothing to be taken? Everything to be gained?deathboy
- Typical rational people can point out what they gain and what they'd Lose unless trying to decieve. What do u gain?deathboy
- Why do you think less police would cause witch hunts and mob rule, db? What makes you think that’s a certainty?ben_
- Because it creates a vacuum to be filled. How'd it work out before police? How does it work out other places leaving policing to citizens. Think congodeathboy
- I think it is absolutely asinine to pitch and idea without even looking forwarddeathboy
- Well accept in this case Colin has and he wants chaos to ascend and fall into mob rule and tribes where he thinks he will be offdeathboy
- Colin didn’t say leave policing completely to citizens. What he’s saying is quite clear, but wait... you think the Congo is comparable on any level to the USA?ben_
- Well glad you brought it up, considering any citizen policing in the Congo has been happening because they have had leadership so hell bent on their own gainben_
- That the police and military there have become a tool of the government to oppress its own people. Sounds vaguely familiar, huh?ben_
- What the hell are u trying to say Ben. Like Colin u haven't said shitdeathboy
- I only see you admitting as much any blm movement is an oppressive tool of govdeathboy
- Comprehension isn’t your strong suit, is it?ben_
- You compared the prospect of citizens policing themselves in USA to the Congo. Do you know anything about the history of the Congo? It doesn’t seem like it.ben_
- But that doesn’t even matter, because to start you completely misrepresent what Colin is saying in your responses. Read things twice, dude.ben_
- Lol ben did u say anything at all?deathboy
- I believe u think u did. But I can't even give a cliffnote of it accept " Nuh uh"deathboy
- You asking for cliffnotes is a beautiful irony.ben_
- Here they are for you:
The Congo has dealt with a tyrannical government for decades. The "official" police serve the interest of the President.ben_ - You compared a shift to alternative policing (what colin is talking about) to a country where police are acting out the exact preference that the Trump gov't.ben_
- has for the role of the police. I pointed out that your comparison is fair, but not for the reason you believe it is.ben_
- The Congo is a great comparable in that way... Authoritarian Presidential power, with a police force dedicated to upholding that power, along with...ben_
- ~$0 Social/community health initiative spending = gaps to be filled.ben_
- Trump would turn the USA into the Congo in a second if you let him.ben_
- Haha well at least u tried. U fail to realize the democratic process of every leader and as such policingdeathboy
- The congo a prime example of power without rule of law. Tell me this Ben. What is alternative police bg and how does it work. Give any exampledeathboy
- You Seem to want to get out of abstract and I to actual process. I'm all earsdeathboy
- But what you're saying about the congo is simply untrue. There's no point in discussing with you, anyhow I should have known better.ben_
- you have yet to say what is untrue. or whydeathboy
- yes my congo is generalization. but what is untrue and its relation to the conversation? that is what you needdeathboy
- autoflavour7
Just watched the doco 13th on netflix
The US is so broken
- instrmntl0
- Saw this the other day. No one's a winner here. He could've at any point said "But it's my house" and then watched the demon grin slide off her face.Nairn
- She was in the wrong the entire time.instrmntl
- Good point, she should have simply ignored someone spraypainting her neighbourhood.Nairn
- Someone was chalking his own wall in 4" tall letters. If he was white she would have assumed it was his place and not threatened him.instrmntl
- Pretty basic.instrmntl
- Most graffitists don't daub their own property. Not a huge leap to assume.
Pretty basic.Nairn - she should've called the cops if she saw someone committing a crime. it's not her place to interrogate someone especially with that condescending tonedorf
- Its chalk!instrmntl
- So passive aggressive!stoplying
- instrmntl isnt that called community vs apathy?deathboy
- and the guy said you have 2 options call the cops or beat it. She approached quite peacefully with 6ft social distancing. he only filmed and got the responsedeathboy
- he hoped for... why film right... and get his 15 minutes of woke the baby famedeathboy
- she could have just called the cops without approaching. than he coudl have his video of being arrested vandalizing his own property without ruining someonedeathboy
- elses job and business. i find this shit terrible and childishdeathboy
- a person who tries to relate and communicate with a non white and told to kick rocks. calls cops and is the bad guy... doesnt do much more the cop calling racedeathboy
- narrative, except call the cops if you see soem shit that looks wrong. dont be civil and question itdeathboy
- shes at home asking why did i feel like i should try and make the situation better with relations and peaceful talk and not fucked for it. fuck next time.deathboy
- its not smart end game but it is politically for parties trying to capitalizedeathboy
- missing part of the storymilfhunter
- Someone's vandalising a wall, an onlooker is concerned and confronts him. Actually quite ballsy from her, most people would keep their heads down.shaft
- Exactly, shaft. Her only failing is her general demenour and lying about knowing who the owner is, the latter of which I totally see the logic of.Nairn
- Clearly he's out to get a rise and some social media cred, because he could have very swiftly and capably put her in her place if he'd said he was the ownerNairn
- _niko6
Remember the narrative from the 90’s? I loved KRS-one, I loved chuck d, I loved the enlightened and militant attitude this was true black wokeness, not the sjw bullshit of today. When rap meant something and rappers had a message, not like the idiots of today.
“Back in the 50’s and 60’s our brothers and sisters would hang, so how could you gang-bang?
I never ever ran from the ku klux klan and I shouldn’t have to run from a black man
Cause that’s self destruction”
- drgs1
#BLM is a message where the sending side is white, the receiving side is white, the offended side is also white, and the outcome will be more hate for black people
Discuss
- got anything to back it up or is that what you feel?pango
- lol @ pangoeddieScissors
- Where’d you pull that pearler from? Jesus wept...BusterBoy
- Vast majority of racists are latent, people who express racism in a non-verbose way, they are watching on the periphery right nowdrgs
- The bloodiest war in the history of America was the civil war, and we all know what it was aboutdrgs
- Been reading The Guardian, drgs?Nairn
- The narrative is becoming white racism is bad, but black racism is good. Although many claim there is no such thing as black racism, doesn't exist.BustySaintClaire
- whats white racism, white racism?pango
- black racism?pango
- whatthefunk3
- Laser beam!pango
- It better make that sound from 6-million dollar manGnash
- X-Ray vision please.ben_
- The one Matt LeBlanc had in the Lost in Space movie!
https://i.imgur.com/…Akagiyama
- neverscared-2
- https://twitter.com/…neverscared
- Check the Politics, he already shown support for Bidden, along with other Reps.grafician
- Anyone but trump.monospaced
- I think he is sensitive to these issues because of the Mormon church's terrible record with the black communityyuekit
- https://www.youtube.…doggydoggdog
- Yuck! Can't trust a dude like that.jmckinno
- ^Krassy
- ^^Krassy
- Also didn't one of his daughters adopt a black baby? So there's that...ArmandoEstrada
- he's just out there collecting pointsMilan
- ^Krassy
- grafician1
"Protesters ride through Houston on horseback
A group of people on horseback rode through downtown Houston today in a peaceful protest of George Floyd’s death."
- drgs0
Are you guys bored? Let's start a flame war about racism.
What I think racism in America is all about -- using myself as a mirror to understand white people:
1. White people are not afraid of black people per se. White people are afraid of the ghetto, ie. middle class white people are equally averse to white trash as they are to black or latino ghetto thugs. They live for themselves, don't want anything crime-related in their neighborhood and try not to think about black people at all (neither positive or negative attitude).
2. Black people are associated with crime because crime rates in lower social classes are always higher. They are stuck in lower social classes because of systemic racism, which is true.
3. Systemic racism is not an intentional, directed conspiracy by white people, it just happens that America is an awkward country with low social mobility and heterogeneous culture. Its motto is the most murderous phrase in human history: "This is your problem".
4. When black people talk about racism they always mean systemic racism. When white people talk about racism they mean individual racism (being racist because of actual racial traits etc). When you for example ask black people if they can be racist against asians -- the answer is no because black people don't have that institutional power (black people holding asians down -- it makes no sense). White people will interpret this as hypocritical and it creates a lot of confusion.
5. Racism will get better only when America levels up in civilization and socialism, and improves its social mobility. Its stubborn conservative skeleton has to be broken completely, which is impossible to do because American lemmings take pride in anti-socialism.
If it doesn't happen and Europe/Canada/Australia progress further, there will be a strange gap making North America look like South America, with small protected enclaves of middle white class neighborhoods.Discuss
- uh ohNairn
- I hate to say this, but your assessment is not wrong.monospaced
- Not saying it’s that simple, necessarily, or that it’s totally complete, but you bring up good points that speak to the “system” in place.monospaced
- But this doesn’t factor in the actual systemic active racism in economics and the justice system. That’s what BLM is also about.monospaced
- by 2040 whites will be a major minority in the US: https://www.axios.co…grafician
- Give me an example of active racism in economicsdrgs
- That’s why you see so many black refugees immigrating to Canada right?hotroddy
- many is relative. US still got more.pango
- In economics? Well, racism in workplace holding back promotions and raises. In real estate for sure. Etc.monospaced
- Ok, to me that's passive racism (ignoring black people, not hiring etc). KKK is active racism. Active racism in economics -- how would that be like?drgs
- To demand that you get paid more than black colleagues, or to have black people evicted from your neighborhood -- that's active racism.drgs
- Anyway
https://i.redd.it/qr…drgs - By active, I mean that racism is driving a decision. Like not promoting someone because they’re black. Not unconscious bias.monospaced
- And driving black people from neighborhoods is active racism to me because it happens. Simply not selling to them based on color, etc. pricing too.monospaced
- Active or passive, it is happening. Every day, and it’s active in that sense. White people are actively making sure black people are kept in a place.monospaced
- Not just through being racist in general, but through racism in economics. It’s a huge part of the problem, not really factored in above.monospaced
- It would fit in 5 I guess.monospaced
- And it makes 3 difficult to accept by itself. It’s not simple. Racism is why social mobility is different for different races.monospaced
- Too often it is absolutely, 100% intentional, even if nobody says it. The act is racist and economic at the same time.monospaced
- grafician0
"Derek Chauvin found guilty in the death of George Floyd"- how long will he be in prison?Bennn
- life probably_niko
- Two murder charges and manslaughter. There's no way out of life that I'm aware of.monospaced
- "The maximum sentence for second-degree unintentional murder is imprisonment of not more than 40 years."grafician
- Justice was served, but police brutality will carry on, even more so, most likelygrafician
- I know you're from Romania, so I'll give you time to read the Wiki and news so you can catch up.monospaced
- And you're clearly missing the precedent this sets for the future. Perhaps you'll read about that too and repost it here.monospaced
- What wiki, this was straight from CNN https://edition.cnn.…grafician
- Two murder charges and manslaughter. There's no way out of life that I'm aware of.monospaced
- Ah I believe we both posted at the same time, I was replying to Bennn with my quote, not yougrafician
- But from what I'm reading, this was just the verdict, still need for the judge to read the sentencing? plus appeals?grafician
- Yes, you would know that if you were a US citizen. You can read the Wiki. Usually three felonies are enough for a 3-strikes rule to apply.monospaced
- I'm hoping he gets the high end of each charge at least, maybe 20-30 years ideally.monospaced
- What wiki mono, all this is on twitter man
anywaygrafician - Appeals will start shortlyGnash
- Wiki. Twitter. News. You’re learning on the fly in real time. I understand it’s not the same in your country, so you have to look it up to post here.monospaced
- mono lol yeah we have no clue here how the justice system works, we barely use it, but the sentences are merged and the defendant serves the longest onegrafician
- so in this case, he would do 40 to lifegrafician
- https://youtu.be/Q-b…
Yup he will serve the longest one. According to YT lawyer.pango - tldr key is "multiple charges from the same act". he will serve the longest one out of all the charges.pango
- sarahfailin3
- if you're an equal, how else can my corporate prison profit off of your incarceration for non-violent "crimes"?imbecile
- Because Democrats need a voter base. Kept them in chains in the south and now as slaves and victim good to the systemdeathboy
- You can't even define racism without endless debate.i_monk
- it easily can be, just ignorant people yelling is not debate, nor do those individuals yelling deserve an equal voice.imbecile
- Or there is no debate. Made up problem. Hence the redeucation camps to teach white kids there original sin of racism...deathboy
- Personally I racism is about as prevalent as fatism or any other physical stereotypedeathboy
- Ramanisky24
https://www.salon.com/2020/09/29…
An attorney for the juror told The New York Times that Cameron "misrepresented" the deliberations and "failed to offer the panel the option of indicting the two officers who fatally shot the young woman."
- i have a feeling the juror was an idiot...deathboy
- has some guilt and social pressure and now looking to shed any responsibility or... 5 minutes of fame.deathboy
- but popcorn gif to entertainmentdeathboy
- with every note you show how little you know, read or pay attention.ben_
- Uh huh. They're weren t given option to cut off nuts eitherdeathboy
- Ramanisky23
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/…
A member of the Breonna Taylor grand jury just filed a remarkable motion asking a judge to release the entire proceedings of the grand jury. The motion strongly suggests that Attorney General Cameron's public comments contradict what was presented to the grand jury.
It essentially accuses Cameron of hiding behind grand jury secrecy requirements while misleading the public about evidence the grand jury actually saw. It asks the court to release the record in the interest of justice, transparency, and accountability.
- No Justice
No Peaceutopian - https://www.vice.com…jonny_quest_lives
- According to Massey’s testimony, SWAT is regularly called in to execute high-risk warrants.jonny_quest_lives
- While Taylor’s was considered lower risk, according to a risk assessment matrix filled out for her addressjonny_quest_lives
- Massey says that neither the matrix, which is scored based on potential threats that could be present,jonny_quest_lives
- nor a plan for the raid was ever shared with him before it was executed.jonny_quest_lives
- “We need to be briefed on everything at the same time,” he said.jonny_quest_lives
- “There has been some understanding in narcotics and in CID [Criminal Interdiction Division] that we’re not going to rush in to get dope.jonny_quest_lives
- We’re not, we’re not going to treat — human life is more important than any amount of dope.”jonny_quest_lives
- this is coolcolin_s
- No Justice
- jonny_quest_lives3
Breonna Taylor shooting: A minute-by-minute timeline of the events that led to her death...
- Why not go by records in which warrant was obtained and reasoning?deathboy
- Jail calls etc.deathboy
- It concerns me your emotional passion for things not truedeathboy
- it's not uncommon for the police's records and reasoning to be a bit biased, especially against black people, that's whymonospaced
- "It concerns me your emotional passion for things not true"jonny_quest_lives
- The truth is Breonna Taylor's life was ended. She was collateral damage to these Officers in their pursuit of her ex boyfriend.jonny_quest_lives
- No chance to defend herself or present any evidence in her defense... The Louisville Police said it themselves...jonny_quest_lives
- "still working through what her involvement was on the narcotics investigation."jonny_quest_lives
- = We killed someone but we will present a narrative that paints her as an accomplice.jonny_quest_lives
- I don't care about her. I never did when I didn't know her. I can say I share equal sympthy for her as collateral damage as much as some kid in pakistan obamadeathboy
- bombed. taking into media hype and riots i wanted to see context. the evidence gives reasons for cops to be theredeathboy
- if they did announce themselves and an officer got shot it also gives reason to defend oneself. there's not much else there. thats the situation and is just.deathboy
- your upset at loss of life can be transferred to almost anyone and many with more merit. That little black guy who shot a 5year old kid just recentlydeathboy
- that is way worse than this in terms of unjust. my gals sister best friend died from a cop running a red light at 5am and t-bone. Off duty, union backed himdeathboy
- said a call came in. couldn't prove it. toxicology was all a mixed bag. 1 dead 1 crippled. no 12 million dollar settlementdeathboy
- which my point is if u can feel so passionately about this but so much other shit in the world how can u be so selective?deathboy
- make me think your heart would have bled out by now. or you dont. its short lived social idignation. hate has its own endorphine highsdeathboy
- i think its more the latterdeathboy
- colin_s0
most on this forum seem to be some version of centrist/liberal, with a few on either side of the extreme (myself included), so i'd like to ask:
who that may be a moderate is against abolishing the police in the USA and why?
if there were proposals to replace a police department with, say, four or five immediate-response services (an expanded EMT service with different units for mental health, domestic, houseless or automotive incidents) that would have unarmed, trained professionals... would that sway?
obviously there could be a standard detective force for solving crimes, and an emergency armed unit for incidents like a mass shooting (so, a swat team that acts more like a fire department), but no more police.
i guess i don't understand if it's fear or a lack of imagination that is the issue at this point. or perhaps that cops have become so ingrained in american culture it's impossible to get people to realize not only their lack of necessity but the fact they impede social progress at almost every turn.
- it's just so easy to imagine a time in the future where they look back at us as so uncivilized because of copscolin_s
- most on this forum seem to be flat-brained pisswater reactionaries who think minority representation and struggle is amusing and something to be mocked.face_melter
- Personally I don't think the proposal does much without first revising the rights around firearms ownership and addressing wages/poverty.ben_
- ftr I agree with restructuring emerg response based on pillars of social need. I just don't think it can happen before the other two are anchored.ben_
- Aye, face_melter - because bearded non-binary emoji really make a huge difference in the world. Get over yourself.Nairn
- But maybe they do to the people who identify that way? I mean... we're *mostly* grown men here, what the fuck are you doing using emojis?ben_
- Like most other low grade corporate effort, it's not even a lick of paint on the situation, rather a distracting elastoplast for virtuous chest thumpers.Nairn
- You're right from that angle, Nairn. But the comments on that post were uniquely anti-representation and just sounded like bitter old men. Get a Jitterbug.ben_
- simpler times can be found here: https://www.fastemoj…ben_
- t(-.-t).ben_
- Meh, I prefer the world where bitter old men whinge about EVERYTHING, including their own shit. tbh, I found those emoji overly reductive and q. insultingNairn
- so I'm not really sure how the 0.01% of people they're supposed to 'include' would much benefit. Whatever though, we can agree - emoji are cretinous.Nairn
- yeah if you're an adult and you use emojis, you're cut. If you're not and you see yourself represented by emoji's, more power to you.ben_
- if you thought my line was purely about the emojis then you're oblivious to what I meant. the world would be a better place with less old men whining.face_melter
- especially about things they have no idea or experience with. because i'm sure bitter QBN men have been threatened in the street or forced to changed jobs...face_melter
- ...because of how they represent themselves. so don't tell me to get over myself when I see a prick make another '...I identify as...' 'joke'.face_melter
- The funny thing is, for some of the QBNers you've attacked, I know that life wasn't as black and white as you're simplifying, like you've got a clueNairn
- Most cunts in life that I see getting aggrieved about third party issues are the ones that haven't had too much to deal with in their own experience.Nairn
- So no, it wasn't just about the emoji.Nairn
- thank heavens you are back face_melterfadein11
- anyone seen serenity? point of trying to make people better. as long as peopel there will need to be policedeathboy
- so the whole idea is stupi. hell we are no different than we were 10,000 years ago. jsut know a alittle more and carried byt the 1%deathboy
- utopian0
This sadly will never end in America.
A Black man who had run naked through the streets of a western New York city died of asphyxiation after a group of police officers put a hood over his head, then pressed his face into the pavement for two minutes, according to video and records released Wednesday by the man's family.
- this is some KKK shit right hereMilan
- this is some abu ghraib shit right here_niko
- I was just reading about this. For the pigs, a mental health 'wellness check' means guns and restraining someone. Or just flat out killing them.face_melter
- Haha the guy thanks them for the spit bag. Fuckin pcp and the guy spitting saying he has covid. And guy didn't just die as breathingdeathboy
- It was pcp cause as well. Even medic on scene said as much. Not exactly sure what you should do with a naked man on pcp yelling give me your gun.deathboy
- Curious if they just club him everyone he tries to stand on instead.knocking him out would prevent the delirium a bitdeathboy
- Or just an example of poor life decisions and possible outcomes of decisions...deathboy
- poor life decisions? I'd love you explain your black and white view of the world in more detail. It sounds amazing.Ianbolton
- uh what? doing pcp and running around naked and out of control your fam and friends need to call backup cause they cant handle it.deathboy
- i dont do that shit. looks like a good way to end up dead or in prison. latter probably worse. death before anal rape here!deathboy
- Congrats on winning scumbag Piece of shit award .. deathboy.
What a giant gaping asshole you are.Ramanisky2 - Well ram I concede my award to you. For being a piece of shit scumbag caller for insults without reason for whateverdeathboy
- In context I guess u think I'm a piece of shit for being a response human avoiding cops. Especially anal rapedeathboy
- Or I'm an asshole for pointing out factual points from video. And questioning what could have been a better response. Didn't see any critics on better handle odeathboy
- So being a reasonable person makes u so upset to insult me with made up awards... Really it's u pal that has earned it. Congratsdeathboy
- Ramanisky25
https://twitter.com/markjonesesp…
White dude angry at cop who has a gun drawn on him. Calls him a stupid fucking pig, flings his license at the cop and says “You wanna pull a gun on me in front of my fucking kid I’ll fucking kill your fucking ass!!!”
- He even threaten to kill the cop. Eventually the white cop told him to have a nice day, must be nice being white in AmeriKKa.utopian
