Russia-Ukraine Invasion
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- NBQ004
- OK, that's ... unexpected.Continuity
- to lessen the chance of being nuked?hans_glib
- https://youtu.be/Dwc…pablo28
- It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fineYakuZoku
- Except for Orban, who's obviously a 5th Column traitor, I've never seen the members of NATO in such a good mood with one another . Normally they're rather keenneverscared
- heir historical resentments like Turkey and Greece, but right now only Turkey and Greece can manage thatneverscared
- grafician3
- he was trying to tighten a bolt, but his shaky hand went crazy and he punctured the pipe?shapesalad
- Got that "drgs" lookNBQ00
- "So long suckas"yuekit
- I always carry a good roll of paper with me.Miesfan
- normally he is half naked in his pr-stunts...neverscared
- He's naked from the shirt downPhanLo
- hehehe.. seeing that pic would be a terrific weapon and blind every ukranian soldier ...would win him the war...neverscared
- yuekit4
It suddenly got very expensive to leave Russia. I guess Russia really is a capitalist country now, law of supply and demand.
- Tickets to Dubai are over 1M rubles, that over $16K (usual ticket would be around $1K)grafician
- was interesting to see Google trends yesterday showing the increase in searches for "how to leave Russia" and "military deferment"mg33
- ofc rats are leaving the ship...grafician
- I mean the rich rats, who can afford relocation fast
the rest will be fuckedgrafician - Read somewhere some Rusky general said today men ready for conscription shouldn't even travel inside Russia, as they will be called to servegrafician
- Countries to run to quickly: Dubai, Turcia, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaidjan, Kazahstan, Uzbekistan, Kârgâzstan and maybe Serbiagrafician
- ^ yup https://www.reuters.…garbage
- https://sites.lsa.um…neverscared
- Russia has been capitalist since it and Glorious Leader Stalin died 1953.face_melter
- grafician2
https://twitter.com/gummibear737…
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I reponded that America is footing most of the bill for this
He laughed, hard
He said: win, lose or draw, the Americans win
Main points
-“Money” being sent to Ukraine is mostly in form of arms/weapons
-They’re sent via “lend-lease” meaning Ukraine will have to pay it back2
-It wasn’t until after Ukraine showed that it would not be occupied by Russia, that the US committed big budgets and armaments
-After the war, the EU will be on the hook for rebuilding Ukraine, integrating them into the union and thus helping pay back the US lend-lease arms3
-The US is passing off older, strategically obsolete weapons which would eventually be replaced (HIMARS)
-The US didn’t part with any of their most effective and technologically advanced systems (helicopers, planes)
-NATO is strengthened under US leadership4
-America will achieve all its strategic objectives on the cheap
-Europe will need to invest in their military which will mean big business for the US
-Russian armaments have been exposed as inferior so Russia will lose global marketshare to the US military industry5
-Europe is essentially decoupled from the Russian energy tit, creating a huge opportunity for US LNG
-Europe falls completely out of Russian influence
-The Russian military is grounded down by Ukraine with no American soldiers dying
-Russia finished as a threat to US influence6
-The US can now focus all military attention towards containing China
-This is also a wakeup call for EU to take China seriously as a military adversary
-EU-China relations have been set back decades in terms of cooperation7
-The days of the US having to twist the EU’s arm to not let Huawei build their 5G system are over
-China’s slow moving influence campaign into Europe is essentially done
-China now needs to think much harder about invading Taiwan...both militarily and strategically (sanctions)8
The conclusion was that whatever the actual costs to the US, it’s peanuts compared to the accomplishment of these strategic objectives which will be reaping dividends for years to come
Ultimately the EU will shoulder most of the suffering while the US reaps the benefits
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Some people are asking me for proof...it’s an analysis...and it’s by someone else
You can fact check the lend-lease aspect but even if it’s not repaid it doesn’t change the main point
I did a deepdive on this in May but didn’t touch much on geopolitics
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- Huge if truegrafician
- You don't get something for nothing...PhanLo
- I thought this was all pretty apparent?_niko
- +1 nikoPalindrome
- It's ok. The HIMARS are doing wonders. And better getting the gas from the US than Russia.NBQ00
- This will only hold with democrats in power both in the US and EU. Anything far side will mean joining the dark sidegrafician
- Democrats in the EU you say?monospaced
- Pardon, meant liberals, centrists more or less, not far right or conservativesgrafician
- I seemonospaced
- The connection to China seems tenuous there.i_monk
- yuekit3
Everyone above who keep saying "America is fighting a proxy war"...it's one thing if you oppose sending military aid to Ukraine.
But this specific use of proxy war...I don't think it's a coincidence you have every pro-Russian influencer, former RT employee and far-right politician also saying this within a few days of each other.
This is a good example of how successful propaganda can be...it doesn't just reach the pro-Russian shills and idiot politicians, it eventually makes it's way into the mind of the average person.
The reason Russian propagandists seized on this phrase is because it makes the USA look like the aggressor. Ignore the obvious reality that Russia started the war, focus on the USA sending aid to the country that is being attacked.
But can anyone explain what Putin's goals even are? Why is he currently refusing to negotiate if USA is the one standing in the way of negotiations? Didn't the USA even limit the type of weapons they sent so that Ukraine is unable to attack Russian territory?
- I'm inclined to go search for 'refusing to negotiate' or 'Russia started the war' to prove you how much propaganda influences both side.uan
- 'Russia must be crushed' or 'kill innocent civilians' all part of this twitter online propaganda war.uan
- Is "Russia started the war" propaganda? That's just a statement of fact. Sorry but you can't tell me Russian propagandists didn't have a role in this,yuekit
- it's propaganda in the sense of the same sentence repeated and repeated to prove a point.uan
- when you've got people who seem to directly spread Kremlin talking points like Aaron Mate and Lee Camp using it.yuekit
- the real problem is the invasion is 7month in and nor the sanctions, nor the weapons brought the war to halt or removed Putin.uan
- Right but what's the alternative? Just let Putin take over Ukraine? Remember Russia refuses to negotiate, they seem intent on seizing land from Ukraine.yuekit
- And if military aid didn't have an impact, why is pro Russian side trying so hard to convince people to end it as we can see here?yuekit
- Some on the pro Western side are also arguing we are reaching a turning point.
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - The alternative is to stop fighting/killing and talk. but it's an almost impossible concept in a culture of war. Mexico, China are on that diplomatic path.uan
- but they don't have lots of allies in it.uan
- China has barely done anything, it's very disappointing because they actually do have influence over Russia.yuekit
- It's not like I have a problem criticizing America I just think objective reading of the situation is that Russia is the aggressor and shows no signs of anyyuekit
- intention to negotiate. Remember the head of the UN asked to go to Moscow to try and negotiate recently. He got no concessions at all from Putin, then he wentyuekit
- to Kyiv to speak with Zelenskyy, and while he's there Putin bombed Kyiv near where the UN chief is staying.yuekit
- amazing how loud and how arrogant people are when their entire worldview has been clearly manipulated by Russian psy ops.inteliboy
- China is supporting Russian propaganda. "Talks"? WTF is that? Your country is invaded, your choice is give up your homeland to a brutal dictator or fight.formed
- Putin has shown zero interest in any compromise. He wants the land and he'll stop at nothing to get it. I cannot fathom how people can defend him.formed
- ^ On a similar note, I can't really understand what possible interest Russky trolls would have in hanging out on a design forum. But, here we are.Continuity
- So, here's one for you Russkies: I wouldn't be mad if your fucked up country got glassed.Continuity
- Pfft, whatever mate. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.Khurram
- American politicians are out there admitting having staged actual coups and you're crying about "troll farms".Khurram
- What great global agenda setting powers they must possess with their trolls...yawnKhurram
- Careful, your butthurt is showing.Continuity
- You've got to hand it them on some level when even people here are repeating the propaganda line.yuekit
- propaganda: corralling public opinion, accomplished by reporting the news through the filter of fear, fear of some common enemy.uan
- in my opinion it's both sides. and both camps use this technique, meanwhile fuelled by what we call social media.uan
- All countries engage in *some propaganda, influence campaign, etc. But Russia has taken it to an absurd level where they don't even tell their own soldiersyuekit
- they'll be fighting in a war until the day it happens. And even now no one actually understands the real motive for the war.yuekit
- And then think about where did this archetypal idea of a propagandistic government we have like George Orwell "1984" come from?yuekit
- It's a commentary on the USSR...and the current leadership of Russia are coming from the intelligence services of that government.yuekit
- In a democracy corralling the herds into a wanted public opinion is done with subtle means. In a totalitarian state (Orwell) it's done by force.uan
- shapesalad4
The terror and horror from Russia towards innocents of Ukraine is still ongoing today:
https://twitter.com/igorlachen/s…
It's dropped out the news over the past weeks.. but the horror doesn't end.
- Apparently they used anti-air missiles to do this, and given it wasn't just one, we can assume it was intentional.Nairn
- https://old.reddit.c…Nairn
- oh man, that link ughfadein11
- Yeah, that's pretty horrific.formed
- Fucking terrorists.NBQ00
- I honestly can't comprehend the depravity of this whole situation. It's fucking disgusting.garbage
- yuekit2
CCTV footage of Russia's attack on a shopping mall in Kremenchuk, Ukraine
- fucking psychos_niko
- War is just an exchange of energy, until one side has no energy or ability to gather energy.shapesalad
- So war is a waste of energy, not making anyone's life any better, or the world.shapesalad
- What is it good for?jagara
- no shit sherlock... the whole civilisation is about energy and mass flowing fru it.neverscared
- Feel like the explosion should be bigger for the size of that missile.bogue
- russian scumbabydick_
- @jagara
Absolutely nothing, uhhhh!elahon
- drgs2
- UghNBQ00
- Munich Hauptbahnhof.
I'll have to go see if this is legit.Continuity - Well... the ad is in English, seems fake.shapesalad
- Yeah, looks like Russian propaganda.
Interestingdrgs - Looks so fake. Compare to banner on the left.jagara
- I mean right ;)jagara
- DYOR!nb
- I that a Colonel Sanders from KFC on the top of the banner?utopian
- NBQ000
The German newspaper Die Welt reports that it has seen documents showing that Berlin had reduced military support for Ukraine to ‘a minimum’.
Scholz is using every possible excuse not to help Ukraine while making promises yet not delivering.
Such a little bastard.
- Very good. All of Europe should do the same as Germany.pablo28
- Any additional armament only prolongs the agony of Ukraine's citizens, and increases the inflation and food crisis that will hit the whole world.pablo28
- yes pablo28 we should let the russians pillage their way across all of ukraine, cutting tongues off women before raping them and then killing them.shapesalad
- indeed we should let them cut ears off, just for the fun of it. I suggest you dig into the hack communications of russian solders to see why we need toshapesalad
- immediately put a stop to the war by bombing the russian army to cinder. They are mostly alcoholic / drug addicted messed up fucks that need rehab or a bullet.shapesalad
- they have killed more ukraine civilians than army. They are committing genocide. They won't stop at the boarder to ukraine. they would love to take poland.shapesalad
- and germany seems complicit in it, perhaps wanting to be come part of this new sick russian empire. built on the cut off tongues of raped innocent women.shapesalad
- ss: what makes you think armament of Ukraine will stop the war?
Why don't you push for peace instead?uan - This absolutely bizarre idea that if you take away Ukraine's ability to defend itself there will be "peace"...how?yuekit
- European leaders are currently demanding negotiations, Putin is refusing or slow walking them. This view is totally disconnected from reality.yuekit
- People who are pro-Russia should just be honest about it and make the case for why Putin taking over the largest country in Europe by force, with all itsyuekit
- energy and food supply, is a good thing for Europe and the world. I'm sure Russia won't be emboldened after this and just seize some territory, as well asyuekit
- funding far-right politicians in your own country.yuekit
- *seize some more territoryyuekit
- Disregard what shape says on any and all subjects - not long ago he advocated gunning down immigrants and regugees. His head is fucking wasted.face_melter
- It seems like many European elites are in bed with Russian elites...the Nordstream 2 pipeline was already essentially throwing Ukraine under the bus.yuekit
- So you aren't actually being "anti-establishment" (maybe this is the only argument that works for some people) by screwing over Ukraine,yuekit
- many German and French CEOs and politicians are probably secretly on your side cheering for Ukraine to lose, even if no one is brave enough to admit it.yuekit
- Ok next time there’s a school shooter, dis arm the police. That should bring about peace right???shapesalad
- ^ You gotta allow the school shooter to shoot however many people he wants, then negotiate with him.yuekit
- Or possibly you just give the shooter part of the school, with the students still in it. It's only way to achieve peace.yuekit
- wouldnt trust -the welt-... unless the show the papers... they seem very right biased kinda like fox.. from what i ive seen the last 2 years from the peripheryneverscared
- #Ukrainisfucked lolKhurram
- That’s funny to you?NBQ00
- No sorry it's tragic.... seeing "western" unity crumble though, is funny, in a roundabout sort of way :-/Khurram
- FUCKING HYPOCRITESKhurram
- Oh boy, another meltdown.garbage
- we now have pablo (aka Milan) and Khurram being the village idiots Z-trolls.NBQ00
- Ah Khurram, by the way... must be nice to live in a western country (Canada), eh? Why not live in Saudi Arabia?NBQ00
- ??Khurram
- Don't you mean Russia? That's a random country you just picked.Khurram
- Oh, maybe not so random LOLKhurram
- utopian2
Not exactly the brightest looking bulb on the tree.
- He looks like a caveman.
One born with birth defects, and the rest of the tribe rejected him.Continuity - https://i1.sndcdn.co…dbloc
- Is that a Nazi Salute?NBQ00
- They're making a new Hunger Games?palimpsest
- there's a direct correlation between hair density and... well, being dense. Don't believe me - look at all the geniuses, they're all BALD! Fact-o-ramashapesalad
- Hobbit reboot looks shitfadein11
- einstein u bald geniusneverscared
- He looks like a caveman.
- yuekit4
A speech by China's former ambassador to Ukraine..
"The Russian-Ukrainian War was the most important international event after the Cold War. It ended the post-Cold War period and opened a new international order.
After the disintegration of the Soviet Union, Russia has always been in a historical process of continuous decline. This decline is first and foremost a continuation of the decline of the Soviet Union before the disintegration, and is also related to the mistakes of the Russian ruling clique in domestic and foreign policies. Western sanctions have intensified this process.
The so-called revival or revitalization of Russia under the leadership of Putin is a false proposition that does not exist at all. The decline of Russia is manifested in its economy, military, science and technology, politics, society and other fields, and has also had a serious negative impact on the Russian military and its combat power.
The core and primary direction of the Putin regime's foreign policy is to regard the former Soviet Union as its exclusive sphere of influence, and to restore the empire relying on the integration mechanism in various fields dominated by Russia.
For this reason, Russia is duplicitous and reneges on its promises. It has never truly recognized the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of other former Soviet countries, and frequently violates their territories and sovereignty. This is the greatest threat to peace, security and stability in the Eurasian region.
In order to gain the international status and influence of the Russian Empire or the former Soviet Union, break the existing international order, and change the geopolitical map of Eurasia and the world, Russia has a persistent pursuit of reuniting the former Soviet states and restoring alliances or empires.
This has created a fundamental confrontation and conflict with the American West. This is the main contradiction and crux of Russia's relations with the US and the West."
- Very different take on what caused the war than some of these Western intellectuals like John Mearsheimer. I have to say his explanation is a lot more simple.yuekit
- And of course this article was almost immediately taken down...yuekit
- Give up the empire, like all European empires did -- the only way to save the country.drgs
- Wow. That's .. perfect.Nairn
- What's even more amazing is how good Google Translate has gotten, this is machine translation from Chinese.yuekit
- He might fall out of a window for writing thisKrassy
- So basically they want and will take Siberia.
Cool.grafician - Also remember maps are projected power. Without the proper army, the map you call your country doesn't mean shit.grafician
- ETM4
TIL that aid packages, and all those fancy words they use to label money and goods sent to other nations is actually a loan. The names make it sound like it's charity, when it's debt. Debt that most struggling nations, including Ukraine, will never recover from. So the west gets a proxy war while also collecting interest payments on the money they keep sending for a very long time.
- We need debt, to feed the cycle, as all fiat is based on as spiralling system of debt, that eventually implodes.shapesalad
- Britain only finished paying back the States for WWI in 2015 or so, and WW2 a few years prior. it's either debt or death. Which would you choose?Nairn
- There’s no profit in peace.PhanLo
- So we should just give money? They shouldn’t pay it back when they can?
Access to liquidity is itself a favor.cannonball1978 - Of course there's profit in peace. It's just that also, man likes to kill man, so there's a shitload of profit in weapons too.Nairn
- I suspect Ukr is getting very favourable rates on some of the newer, unpracticed weapons, in return for valuable feedback.Nairn
- I'm not commenting on whether it should be free or not. Just the reality of it and the way they present it, many people think it's gifted.ETM
- yuekit4
Even on a propaganda show like this, seems to be sinking in that the war is not going so well.
- Isn't ..er.. 'military socialism' fascism, essentially?Nairn
- ooh, this is beautiful tho
https://pbs.twimg.co…Nairn - ^ whats that?pango
- Not sure - it was linked in the <twitter stream somewhere.Nairn
- Oh, look at that - it's in another of today's posts.. https://www.qbn.com/…Nairn
- The pendulum is slowly turning the other way, I hopedrgs
- Russians are like small children who have been told that their father is a murderer -- they refuse to believe it, get angry, make alternative explanations etcdrgs
- In order to accept it, they need to find a scapegoatdrgs
- @nairn Yes, and this is desperate fascism. He goes on to say "all strategic resources, without exceptions, like land, factories and everything else have to begarbage
- placed under government control and develop according to a centralized plan."garbage
- and "We need to urgently, urgently adopt our industries into a wartime economy".garbage
- Military socialism: "They pretended to arm us and we pretended to fight"_niko
- ^ +1garbage
- yuekit2
- lol wat?Continuity
- ??YakuZoku
- tank top blew off from explosion and landed in parking lot I'm guessing...whatthefunk
- Those things are heavy. When they fly high up in the air and land it can crush concrete like this.NBQ00
- War of the Worldsduckseason
- It's the new underground tankpango
- sneak attackArchitectofFate
- Continuity4
Probably behind a pay wall, but ... yeah, now we're talking.
'Canada giving itself power to turn over seized assets to victims'
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/…
From the article:
'[...] the Canadian government says it plans to give itself the power to sell off assets of foreigners seized under sanctions law, and then turn them over to affected victims or pay for rebuilding war-torn countries.
This could mean, for instance, that funds or property seized from Russia could be paid out to help reconstruct Ukraine or to compensate those affected by Moscow’s military assault on its neighbour.
The change would make Canada the first among Group of Seven countries to allow such actions.'
- When this is all done, Russia's giving all of its hydrocarbon profits for the next decade(s) to rebuild Ukraine.Nairn
- With any luck, anyway.Continuity
- What happens if Russia breaks up into smaller countries? Which one is to be held responsibledrgs
- There's always a success state, e.g.:
Yugoslavia > SerbiaContinuity - *successorContinuity
- after the war is over ukraine buys new stuff from the west with assets the west seized from russia?uan
- I'm starting to think, this war is the trigger to destroy the global financial system as we know it.uan
- About as much as covid was a ruse to force everyone into a cashless society..Nairn
- Don't get excited yet. This bill also targets cryptocurrency and NFTs and allows the government to compel "“any person to provide ...any information”monNom
- Which is a pretty big departure from the narrow framing of "selling seized russian assets".monNom
- I mean, how do you find "russian owned" crypto? It's anonymous. The only way would be to de-anonymize it by forcing Canadians to claim ownership of their tokensmonNom
- I think crypto is (probably) bullshit, but this government sure does like to give itself extra-judicial powers.monNom
- crypto you hold in a bank or trading platform isn't anonymous. but you can store it in the blockchain yourself, refuse to tell the passphrase and keep it.uan
- Continuity0
When a paper like the Guardian/Observer is calling for direct Nato intervention, things really are grim.
'In the face of Vladimir Putin’s cruelty, Nato must consider taking much tougher options'
https://www.theguardian.com/comm…
But, they're right, of course. Sanctions aren't working, and Putin couldn't give a rat's arse about being dumped from the UN Human Rights Council, Fifa, etc, etc.
I wonder if anyone at Nato has the stones for it.
- You want nuclear war?NBQ00
- We're running out of options for Ukraine, Spanky.
Did you even read the editorial?Continuity - true, what to do with a madman in power.?.. what wil lhe stomp next in his morbid delirium?neverscared
- It's a terrifying prospect.
But, if Nato does nothing, we're even more fucked.Continuity - Either fucked or can't get fucked anymore.NBQ00
- There must be some other options like Putin having an unfortunate accident.Chimp
- give him some horsedewormer with bleach and say its a new wodka.. .chimp living in fantasyland like always.neverscared
- No-one inside Russia is going to take Putin down. Come on.Continuity
- Just like climate change propaganda. We must do something now!!Hayoth
- Oh, fuck off.
A vacuum tube has more available brain power than you do.Continuity - If Nato does nothing, its remains a local problem (Russia-Ukraine).drgs
- I highly doubt that.
Putin has gone stone bug-fuck. He'd go after another country next. Maybe even a Baltic one.Continuity - Continuity, you're in DE, no?
If so... End of noteOBBTKN - There have been atrocities all over the world that have been largely ignored. There will be no escalation for this.formed
- Putin's not stupid. He doesn't want to be annihilated. He wants to be more powerful and go down in the books, which he's accomplishing, sadly.formed
- And when you say Nato... Who of the members? I don't feel like going to a parade walking over my family ashes to greet our liberator the great US Army...OBBTKN
- I'm old, lost friends, like brothers, while the politicians and local warlords were partying... therefore, do not count on meOBBTKN
- Russia are currently recruiting 60 000 reservists. There is no way they can "branch out" to start a second parallel wardrgs
- They are busy breaking their heads over how to wrap their losses and present it to the publicdrgs
- Give me 500 million dollars and I will solve your problem. Someone pass my message to Nato.Beeswax
