((the evidence))
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- vgee0
war is not perfect -
and who needs asprin anyway
- rise0
Not the US, cause we gonna DIE SOON.
- monokrom0
"us has shit no doubt but there is no history of the us using them to cause terror or harm inoccent people"
vgee
What are you talking about?Please travel to SE Asia and tell this to the multiple generations of people affected by the saturation of huge swaths of territory with Agent Orange.
You could just as easily visit the hospital wards in Iraq where the doctors can show you scrapbooks filled with photos of dead deformed children (courtesy of the depleted Uranium that we left behind).
Talk to all of the Palestinians who have been and are continuing to be killed, oppressed, tortured, and dislocated by Israelis (bankrolled and armed by the USA).
These are just a few obvious cases where the United States has left misery, death, and destruction in its wake.
- rise0
The word is, Bruce Willis and his crew of oil riggers will be incharge of blowing up the US. I hope ben aflek makes it out alive with liv tyler.
- o0o0
dude, rise, nobody is saying the US is evil, and vgee, the US isn't perfect.
In a democracy you're SUPPOSED to question and critisize the government... there's not enough of that going on. I know you two would prefer if we were all good little soldiers lined up behind the president and his warmongering.Anyway, my question when starting this thread was actually: why did we wait so long to present the "evidence" .. I think that's a fair question.
- vgee0
in a wake to a cause that the us tried to help -
those are aftermath affects
not the soul intention of the situation -
- rise0
I'm totally against fighting, I'm a good little tree hugger who eats subway veggie subs and listens to radiohead, and reads up on how evil the US is, and is a member of peacecore. In my spare time I make hemp braclets for my neo-hippie friends and green tea. And go to Anti-US protest and rallys. This year, as a stand for my political efforts, I wrote in "no one is worthy canidate" on my election ballet.
<3 Conquers All.
But with out a doubt, BOMB THE US.
- monokrom0
Nah rise, you're right. Why am I getting uppity when my govt is about to commit massive war crimes and rain down death on people living half the world away in my name?
The gubment may not have shown me enough evidence to warrant any sort of action whatsoever, but they say that they have secret evidence. That's good enough for me !
After all, every other time that they've bullied or invaded other countries and toppled governments, it's always been completely justified and aboveboard!
Here's a clue : bombing the shit out of a Muslim country and promising them the same kind of democracy that we brought to the poor oppressed people of Afghanistan might work a little better if Afghanistan wasn't sliding back into warlordism, women there hadn't re-donned their burkhas under fear of death or torture, and the people weren't living in a state of absolute squalor worse than pre- Operation Get Bin Laden days.
The rest of the world can see through the lies. Why can't you?
- vgee0
o)o - not saying its perfect - considering i have some friedns that are not saine enough to twist a pepsi cap in the military -
but i think the usa waited so that it did not give away what it know in terms of loactions and all - if the us did they irag would re hide everything and then the us would have to spend time re finding it - i think the us know much much more telling the un would send a warning to irag before un was to find -
i also think those undisclosed location are prime hit spots if we do go to war -
- toolius0
because they were hoping it would come to it because they know their 'evidence' is bullshit.
listen to monokrom.
- rise0
I told you I'm with you monokrom, I say lets all send letters to the United Nations and have Bush arrested for war crimes. And then let the UN make a new goverment to rule the US, maybe let the Taliben rule us, cause after all we turned afghanistan from a shit hole desert to a charred shit hole desert.
So yeah, down with the US, bush, rumsfield, and trent lott.
- Bluejam0
"Why did we wait so long to present the evidence .. I think that's a fair question."
Because they have to be certain.
Because last nights 'poll' showed that 63% of the American public looked to Colin Powell over GWB when it comes to foreign policy.
(Put the good guy in front of the camera, people will listen to what he says...no matter what he says).Because they had to find the evidence after saying they had it?
Because now they can not be stopped, how do you withdraw 100,000 troops without looking stoopid?
- shift0
Oh man. everyday the samething.
- toolius0
the 'evidence is a joke'
look right here is a truck by a building and some barrels.
absolute hogwash.
- vgee0
fuct it -
i guess we should sit back and let them build weapons that the un - the untited nations - thats multiple nations of the world - where we all live - feel it is un safe for them to develop
i guess ll i can do is just pray that i am off that day in nyc when some thing else gets blown up -
- rise0
Colin Powell is the reason we're in this why with his facist militaristic idelogoy.
DOWN WITH POWELL
DOWN WITH POWER.
BOMB THE US.
- shift0
We don't die, we multiply.
(cripps)
- blend0
I watched some of the footage from Powell's speach today. I'm not convinced outright war is the right way to go forward. To Powell's credit I must say that his speach was clear and non-aggressive. He got his message though: the Iraqis may be lying. I'm not really very shaken. So what? What next?
US has been bombing Iraqi air defenses through the years. Why don't they bomb these 7 trucks they talk about and get it over with? Keep on inspecting and hopefully some kind of peaceful resolution can be found. Based on yesterday's interview of Sadam I would think that he maybe way too proud, but still someone who can be reasoned with. He is no madman. I would say he was pretty articulate.
In the unlikely case that US decides to attack on its own Iraq might respond with chemical weapons. If the weapons are used against armed forces I really can't blame them for it. It surely is agains the Geneva convention, but US has been blatantly in violation of the treaty for years. What else could the Iraqis do when facing a greater military power. Not a nice thing to do, but they have to do what they can.
Finland fought against Russia in WWII. Our independence was saved by the courage and determination put into the desperate effort. Lucky for us, we were pretty much saved by the bell. WWII ended and we were left as a cushion. Thus I can definately relate more to the opressed than the opressors.
- rise0
Vgee, but we must all die to make the world a better place for people like monokrom and o0o, where a nation with out balls and a backbone can strive in a peace loving hippie enviorment.
Like i said, Bomb the US.
- vgee0
a joke -
12 years ago or so the un found and saw all the evidence they needed - barrels, and gallons, missles, etc -
irag agreed to destory it and now they can show any evidence of doing so - what are you kidding me -
that should be enough even for you to think -
if he never had it then and we were aqusing him now then maybe i would agree with the no evidence shit - but the evidence was their now its gown and irag has no idea where it went - come on - thats a joke -