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- rise0
shift, that was bebe's kids.
Another reason why the US should be bombed.
- shift0
hey i forgot about that(babe's kids)
- shift0
It's a cold world. No mercy!
(bloods)
- vgee0
rise, i stopped at
"vgee," so don't bother directing a mail my way - thanks dude -
and hey i am saying war is a must - i am saying that you all have to realize that some bullshit is going on - and war should be considered an option -
- rise0
Maybe the new United States of Alqida will spare you then.
- monokrom0
vgee
Most of the world looks upon the United States as a greater threat than Iraq, N. Korea, et al. precisely because, as a country, we are behaving like homocidal mental defectives.
If your neighbor was absolutely positive that you were growing plague spores in your basement (although he couldn't come up with any more proof than Shrub and his cronies have that Iraq is developing WMD - he saw you get a package delivered that was big enough to contain a disassembled bioreactor ... or a vacuum cleaner), would it be ok if he set fire to your house?
(for the defense of the Homeland, naturally)
Saddam Hussein is a bad guy.
He might be developing WMD.Show me *real* proof that he's building up stockpiles of WMD.
Then, convince me that invading, toppling the govt, setting up a puppet regime, and occupying Iraq possibly for many many years is the best solution.
- rise0
lol, this all just comedy.
fucking pussys.
i'm outtie forever, this time for good.
- unknown0
*yawn*
dont you ever get bored?
- shift0
Yeah. Right now.
Everyday, same shit.
- vgee0
good ridens -
look like i said i rather the us not waste its time and energy -
but am i wrong -
did the un find a shit load of weapons, chemicals, etc - years back. un passed a law. irag agreed to disarm and destroy them.
now they can not suppli proof that they did. i think, thats a strong enough basis for us not to believe this guy - i do not think that is hard to see -
the evidence was there - now it is gone, and iraq does not know where -
thats odd - if you asked me me to destory the shit growing in the basement and i siad ok - but you when you came back i could not prove to you besides that fact that it was missing destriyed a solid trust on my part -
thats my whole though - fuck, if iraq destroyed that shit the un found 12 years ago then show them
- o0o0
yeah, I guess these threads to get tiresome. But I think there needs to be more discussion, not less. It's just a shame that people have to cast the debate into black/white. It gets all exaggerated and aggressive.
For this kind of thing you need to temper your passion with reason. Otherwise a discussion is impossible.
rise is a moron. At least vgee was willing to discuss it seriously, thanks man.
- monokrom0
vgee - I apologize if I jumped down your throat.
Watching my country lurching towards a state of perpetual war, the Constitution being shredded at home, etc. is getting to me.
Aside from the obvious ethical issues, I'm arguing from a point of self-interest ... namely that bombing the crap out of foreign countries with little to no justification feeds back into the "evil USA" stereotype and sends new recruits flooding into the camps of real honest to God terrorists.
- Nirvous0
I dont agree with most of you on most of the political issues around here .... but I do enjoy reading your viewpoints. I can appreciate the passion that many of you feel, I'm just on the other side of the fence in most cases.
Keep your 1st amendments flowing....but don't get all flustered when I call you socialists. :)
- InVivio0
Socialism is a bad thing?
- vgee0
mono - thanks - its been fun mono and oOo
i do not disagree with what ua are saying mono - bit i feel the us may be on to something here - past us moves did not all make sense -
but i am very straight foward - if they had them 12 years ago why cant they show us today what they did with them - and they are alott dumber then one thiks if they destoryed all that shit without recording it or something -
well, great now i am backed up at work - its been fun
- toolius0
How do you show proof of something you destroyed years ago?
here's the real problem.. 911 happened for a reason. well, many reasons. but it wasn't because "they hate freedom". One reason it happened is because the USA is over there sticking their nose where it shouldn't be.
A new war in the middle east will cause more terrorism and make the potential for weapons of mass destruction being used against us even greater... almost a certainty. When will we learn that the US foreign policy is getting people killed.
And meanwhile Bush & Co, the defense contractors, military and oil men are LOVING THIS TERRORISM SHIT because it is putting MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS. that's the idea.
Osama was never caught? WHY? He was never meant to be caught. He makes them too much money. the other countries know this. that's why they are hesitant about joining. They know it's about money and they know that the USA will be hard to stop once they gain control of the oil reserves. The EU sees this. They know that someday soon they will be the US's biggest rival in trade, etc.
- monokrom0
Toolius says it best.
- unknown0
damn str8 toolius
- Danski0
I will join this war thread only to say that CP's speech was pure hypocrisy. The US trains terrorists, stockpiles nerve agents, experiments on civilians, *and* randomly attacks small nations.
The evidence, such as it is, is irrelevant.
- jjwalker0
yay! i'm the 100th post ... umm can this thread be deleted now? heh