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- sparker0
wait? what does web design and platform dependence have in common?
a site is a site is a site. the technology exists across platforms...that is the point of open-standards.
xhtml and css are the same on either os.
i'm not sure if i understand the reasoning behind that. not that i don't agree with you...financially, macs aren't worth the cost in studio settings...since the same work can be done on any platform. but, for web work, a clearly planned, well designed and coded site wouldn't care if you were on pc, mac, linux, unix or some firmware system. as long as a web browser was in use.
this is why web standards are so important. poorly functioning sites are not an operating system problem they are a designer/developer problem. as long as web designers/developers use outdated markup techniques and poorly written code, then sites will break.
ah, but that is another tangent entirely.
:)
- mrdobolina0
being that patriotic about commercially-made products is unhealthy and shows the users uber-consumerism.
- Mimio0
OSX is nice. You can install Apache, MySQL, PHP etc. on a local machine and make your own in office staging server for client sites. Perfect for small offices that don't like the Micro$oft licensing model. In that respect Apple machines are cheaper.
- sparker0
you can do that, freely, on a windows box or linux box as well.
sorry, point is moot, again. merlin server install for windows allows installation and configuration of apache, php, mysql and misc tools on windows desktops...making them work as servers.
the osx license is really no different than a pc license, xp on one machine, os x on one machine...that is the way of the world. take into consideration that macs cost double that of a similar, if not better quality pc and you're "cost effective" solution just went the way of the do-do, mimio...
- gavinnosler0
I think you know that the same browser on a different platform don't always render things the same, so is what you're saying that with XHTML and CSS, a carefully developed website will look and function the same on both platforms? This is true if you're only considering browsers that support standards pretty well. Wired.com did an excellent job of cross-browser, cross-platform XHTML, however they sacrificed aesthetics for a few users, which I think is perfectly fine for a news site.
If you code in XHTML and lay out your site with CSS, you're giving up aesthetics for about 5 percent of your viewers, and people seem fine with this. However, with an HTML site, if don't even look at your website on a Mac and cut Mac development costs, there's a chance you're giving up minor aesthetic defects for 1-4% of your viewers (and saving money), but people aren't fine with this.
I guess that doesn't have anything to do with what you were saying, but I think it's an interesting observation.
- kpl0
"take into consideration that macs cost double that of a similar, if not better quality pc"
g5 dual 2ghz: $2999 base
dell dual 2.4 Xeon w/ similar specs: $2,904
- gavinnosler0
Mimio,
But doing development without a right mouse button would be such Hell!!! :)
- sparker0
i can build a custom box with those specs (of the dell) for half that cost. i never purchase off the shelf or stock systems.
even if you pay someone to build the box for you, it will save more than enough money.
i recently build a 2.4g, 512ram box with two 80g drives on a raid 1 for under a grand.
you can't do that with macs.
if you factor in using nothing but open-source, gpl and/or free software, then the cost drops dramatically.
nothing against mac's at all, like i said time and time again, i like them...but when you start waxing cost -> effecienty, then pc will win...especially in small market installations.
- Mimio0
A dual 2.4 ghrz Xeon with a DVD burner is $3,300, $300 more than the highest end Mac. (dual 2ghrx G5 with ATI 9600 @ $3000)
Certainly not twice as much.
- Meeklo0
yeah! he is right..
why buy a porsche if a kia spectra can take you to the same places for cheaper!
- sparker0
that is a good point. and that is fine. if you *want* a porsche, buy one...but just because it's expensive and flashy, doesn't make it the best.
if you *want* a mac, buy one, but don't say that pcs are crap, just because it's not what you *want*.
that is what i hate about this. in my experience, the mac cultists are the close minded indviduals who don't bother listening to facts or testiments...they only sware by their macs...and it's simply not true...a mac is *not* the best machine on the market. and that can be backed up numerous times.
most windows and linux users i know also use macs...and don't usually bitch about them...it seems like all mac users i meet act like mac is the *only* solution.
- brundlefly0
"i recently build a 2.4g, 512ram box with two 80g drives on a raid 1 for under a grand. "
sure, I can build a dual 867 mac for about a grand that'll match that PC for graphic apps.
a 2.4 is over 18 months old technology as is the g4 867
- mrdobolina0
can you build a mac though? Dont you have to buy it from one of their 'boutiques'
- kpl0
i built my mac using my own blood and sweat. And afterwards, I added my tears of joy.
- Meeklo0
I dont say Windows is crap.
I just like mac better..
I been a windows user all my life I got tired of my work being in danger because of microsoft well known problems of viruses and stability.. I know xp is more stable than the last one, but as far as I know, every new version that comes out is more stable than the last one. My personal experience says the computer is your main tool and is what brings money home so I can eat. why dont pay a little more for (in my personal experience ) a better machine that would make your worries about your work being in danger go away?Again this is MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, if you like pc better ang want to use it, go ahead..
I dont know you so I can care less..
peace
- brundlefly0
current top of the line systems....
dual xeon 3.2 gig 512 ddr 266 ram, 184 gig HD, nvidia 128 video FX card ZERO monitor....$5324
same specs....apple 2gig g5....
512 ddr 400 ram, 128 meg ati 9800 160 gig HD AND a 23 inch LCD....$5298yes, one is better.....hmmm
I guess you can use the extra 24 gig of storage for your bad ass windoze page/swap file...or just go single processor to be able to get a monitor for the PC...HA
- sparker0
i've never ran into an instance where you can go buy a g5 case, then add some hardware....
i can pick up pc parts pretty much anywhere and build a cheap, custom, high-end pc.
and, building a dual processor mac to compete with a single processor pc isn't much of an accomplishment. that's apples and oranges.
of course a dual system preforms similar or better than a single, that's why it's a dual.
my dual 800 sgi out preforms my 2.4g single any day....the architecture break thread usage up among the processors...that's why duals are good.
- brundlefly0
you dont even get a modem with the PC......
- sparker0
i don't know where you got those prices....we've build systems like that much cheaper, with displays included, man.
:)
- sparker0
"built"...
anyway, it doesn't really matter...i like macs. i think they're great boxes....so, in the end...it's personal choice....i prefer pcs because i can build high end systems, cheap...and i know what is in them.
i don't rely on apple for everything.
it's just my preference...