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lots of funny notes on previous pages--I've just gone through them all
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sometimes I wish I could go back in time to when I was younger, had more future ahead of me, was more attractive, had more brain cells, but when I really think about it, there isn't a part of my life I'd want to live over
- Jaline0
"Giclée is, essentially, using an ink-jet printer. Silk screening is a much older technique. You draw your design on a piece of silk or other fabric using wax or other ink-resistant stuff. Then you put it against the thing you want to print on, squirt ink all over it, and rub it in. The ink goes through the silk but not the wax, so you get a picture (reverse from the original wax picture).
If you want multiple colors, you have to have one screen for each color and do one pass over the ink (making very sure that everything is aligned the way you want it."
"Silk screening is spreading paint across a screen that only allows the color to appear in certain spots. A piece of artwork that is many colors will require multiple screens to be done. Also silk screens usually take more hand effort, even if many machines are used. Depending what it is, silk screens are fairly collectible. Also since each piece of artwork done by a silk screen is done "individually", each is more unique and contain different colors/errors, making it more valuable. It's less of a fad than Giclee, and more of a respected type of work that will still retain it's value.
A Giclee is a digital fine art print. It can have very beautiful results, but it's sort of just the trendy "in" thing right now."
- Yeah, silk screen is totally justified. I would buy silk screens for lots of money, just not Giclées.Horp
- Friend of mine bought a £3000 Giclée print!!!Horp
- The internet agrees with Spooky :)Jaline
- No, way, Horp!??Jaline
- P.S. Not sure why I switch between "Spooky" and "Horp" all the time. I tend to stick with the original username of user.Jaline
- Yeah, An artist who I like but I cannot think of his name right now. Like Mark Ryden stuff...Horp
- Damn... what's his name. American. All fairy tales girls with spiders legs....Horp
- I'm not sure.Jaline
- Ray Caesar. Just came back to me.Horp
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certain types of image can only be reproduced via inkjet
- I've always wanted to do "fake" silkscreens on an inkjet********
- I've always wanted to do "fake" silkscreens on an inkjet
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i was planning on doin screenprints.. i should get some eqiupment..
- Horp0
Thats not true Rand. Any image that can be reproduced via inkjet would be reproduced demonstrably better by the C-type print process. On the rare occassion I have done pieces for sale that were from digital files, I have done professional C-types and they are stunning. What's more they are recognised as a legitimate media for fine art photography.
The reason people don't do C-types is that you have to pay a professional photographic lab to develop them for you, and that obviously costs money. A C-type will still be here hundreds of years from now as its the basic silver gelatin photographic print process.
If I was to offer any of my work it would be as C-types but as that would cost me to produce, the price would naturally be higher. But I believe a higher price for 'art' in a quality format is justified and selling bubblejets as art at art prices simply isn't.
- sorry, I meant as opposed to slkscreen********
- are photographers still using c print, or have they all gone inkjet?********
- Most reputable gallery photographers will only do C-types as far as I know.Horp
- sorry, I meant as opposed to slkscreen
- Jaline0
This is the artist I was looking at:
http://monomyth.com/Tomer is one of my favourites, and I want to buy something from him in the future. I emailed him about other types of prints, just in case he was willing to look into it.
- The price tag seems a bit high right now for giclée prints.Jaline
- Horp0
^ Jaline, interesting. Do you know what Ultrachrome is?
The new word for bubblejets, now that Giclée has gotten such a bad name. Ultrachrome is merely a new formula for the inks used, developed I think by Epson.
Why do they say anything to avoid saying what it is you are actually buying.
- I did some more research (after you let me know about giclée prints) and came to the same conclusion.Jaline
- Since I want to have a piece of his artwork, I emailed him to see if he had anything else he would sell.Jaline
- Thing is though its like Rand says, you're buying the art, so if its the only way its the only way.Horp
- I have set myself a benchmark by your Jaline. Some day I aim to produce soemthing you would buy. ; )Horp
- (by you, not by your)Horp
- (Tell him to look into supplying you with a C-type, but it will cost you more)Horp
- hahaha, make prints and the people (including myself) shall flock :)Jaline
- Thanks, Spooky.Jaline
- Nah, I have nothing. Nobody will ever tell me what they would like. When I ask, people have a look then go quiet.Horp
- ... and I know its because actually, when they take a look, there's nothing they would want.Horp
- Lies! I know people would buy your work.Jaline
- You're kind.
= )Horp - When do we see some Jaline prints, eh???Horp
- Haha, I'm more of a web developer. Who knows though.Jaline
- DO IT!!!Horp
- :PJaline
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didn't saw it yet
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now I'm just mooching about on here, reading threads, occasionally replying to them to kill time and avoid doing a bit of work I need to do. Why? Because it's friggin' Sunday and I can't be arsed to work.
- Horp0
Wow, Formula1 cars are mental. The F1A are constantly finding ways of slowing down the cars by preventing development of new technologies and materials, by limiting the cars to a 2.4litre V8 engine (pre 04 cars ran 3.5 litre v10s), and by making them have retarding grooves cut into the tyres that slow speeds significantly.
In spite of that, on avergae a formula 1 car will accelerate to 60 in 1.2 seconds and will be hitting 200mph in 7 seconds. Most road going cars will not hit 60mph in 8 seconds.
I WANT ONE.
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this is pretty much the only thread I look at now
- Horp0
" Hi, my name is Jaline, and.... I am.... an addict "
" Hi Jaline "
" I bought my first print in 2003, and since then it grown to be a $400 a week habit. Its destroying my life, my family don't know what to do, the plaster has begun falling off my bedroom walls now and I can't sleep any more becuase my bed is underneath a pile of Si Scott Screenprints "
- "I try to break away but everytime I do, Si writes another word or draws a moose...Horp
- ... and you know... its just easier to buy it than to walk away. Its eating my life away"Horp
- lol
I do kind of love him. But I only have two of prints plus a deck of cards he designed, hahaJaline - I don't like his work at all. AT ALL MISSY!Horp
- Well too bad! :PJaline
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An enormous step forward came three years ago with the introduction of the HP Designjet 130 printer. "The first print that came off the 130 was, for me, a revelation because I saw that all these years I wasn’t getting the full fidelity of the negative," says Meyerowitz.
Meyerowitz’s work process further evolved when, in preparation for a major exhibition at Jeu de paume in Paris, he was introduced to the Hasselblad Flextight X5 scanner. “ We had one of those jolts that suddenly makes you realize that even though you thought you had a really good scanner, it had by comparison so many flaws and workflow difficulties that once we had the Hasselblad Flextight X5 we thought we had landed in photographers’ heaven.” The difference? According to Meyerowitz, “It’s clean. It’s almost dust free. It has incredible software for us to make a file.” The scanned image can be opened on any computer and—using the Hasselblad software—can be manipulated “eloquently.”For the Paris exhibition, Meyerowitz and his team merged the Hasselblad Flextight X5 scanner with the HP Designjet Z3100 printer, which features the latest HP inkjet technology. In the past, if he wanted to put together an exhibition of this importance and scope, he would have to send the original negatives to the lab. “It would take weeks of my time going back and forth to the lab—unproductive time sitting on the subway or driving in the car or waiting in the lab—and all that is finished now,” he says. “We make the scan here. We tweak it in PhotoShop. We make a quick test-print on the Z-series. We make an adjustment. We color-correct under the lights and, boom, it’s done. I don’t have to leave the studio.”
The real test for Meyerowitz’s Designjet/Hasselblad Flextight X5 system came when an exhibition of his Ground Zero prints arrived at its destination, the Museum der Arte Moderne in Salzburg, damaged and unfit for public display. With the opening of the show just days away, there was no time to panic. Meyerowitz and his team spun into action. They calculated file sizes and the time it would take to print them. “We literally left the studio at night with five or six prints in the queue, came back in the morning, and there they were: all rolled up, waiting, cut and sitting in rolls in the basket,” recalls Meyerowitz. Using the Z3100 we printed out the entire exhibition in less than three days and shipped it over to them.
I just feel like it would have been impossible if I had to go to the lab. We could not have done that show.” Currently underway is a 400-image retrospective book of Meyerowitz’s work. Every photo is scanned at his studio. The resulting file is shipped to the publisher with a reference print generated by the Z3100. “As a pre-press tool, this has turned out to be an extraordinary help. It gives them incredible color-corrected images. Even though it’s an RGB image and they’re printing CMYK, we do a conversion to CMYK for them. So I feel as if quality starts here and goes out into the world in a way that it couldn’t before.”
In addition to HP’s 12-ink system of pigmented inks, Meyerowitz appreciates consistency from print to print thanks to the embedded spectrophotometer and the HP calibration technologies built into the HP Color Center software. HP Vivera Pigment Inks, with their 200 years permanence*, also offer some solid benefits on the business side. In the not-too-distant past, there was great resistance to collecting and showing color photographs. Meyerowitz recalls, “Back in the ‘70s when I first started showing them, everyone said, ‘Oh, but they’re going to fade and why should I buy it. I’ll spend $300 on a print and it’s going to be gone in a few years.’ And museums felt the same way.” Now collectors, galleries and museums are all willing to take photos into their collections. Every time he signs a print, he writes on the back, “HP archival pigment print” because more institutions and more collectors are willing to pay $10,000 to $20,000 more for a print that is made with HP materials. “It gives collectors a great sense of security,” says Meyerowitz. He’s a big fan of HP Professional Satin paper. The Designjet Z3100 also prints on other fine-art papers, canvases and a variety of photo papers.- trying to determine if inkjets have overcome past limitations as fine art medium********
- Swiss cheese.Horp
- trying to determine if inkjets have overcome past limitations as fine art medium
- Jaline0
haha, I don't buy that many, actually. Just lately. I only have about 13 that I purchased. The rest were given to me. I have the Si Scott one up on my wall; two from spendogg, and 1 from dobs, grunttt, and version3 (all from a print exchange), and that's it. The print exchange ones are smaller. Last year I had tons of prints, clippings and photos up but I cleaned it up. Now I have a bunch in tubes. I'll find a place for them eventually, like once I move out.
- Horp0
^ Rand, I just read that as a sponsored adversational for HP who probably made it real easy for him to do a show using HP prints and paper. Ask yourself this... How does a photographer's fine art photographing get damaged en route to the gallery. Really, short of a dramatic thing like the transporter crashing, how does damage really occur to a professional fine art photographers gallery work?
It just doesn't happen. Fine art is not slung naked on the bed of a pick up and driven through the rain. Its carefully packaged for protection and handled by trained professionals.
So how come they got damaged? Becuase they were bubblejets, and bubblejets are as fragile as fuck. So this whole thing is merely disguising a flaw in the bubblejets process as a great victory for HP bubblejet prints "They were damaged but we could re-print them over night and a lab couldn't do that" a lab wouldn't need to, you could walk across a C-type in workman's boots and it would be fine.
- Jaline0
In the classy "feminine odor" thread:
pr2: "fuck me, this thread is way below my (already low) standards."