Creationist Lies

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  • ribit0

    How does macro-evolution break the 3rd law of thermodynamics?

    I don't think it has a problem with elements of the universe 'bucking the system' (as life does..it's what make life special isn't it?)...the laws of thermodynamics only refer to a general move to entropy, if no other system is actively working against it (life)..right?

  • ribit0

    oops 2nd law...

  • TheTick0

    Neat new evolution site to fight the ID people written by you know REAL scientists...

    http://nationalacademies.org/evo…

  • ribit0

    also appears useful:
    Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/…

  • mrdobolina0

    discipler, how old do you think diamonds are? less than 6,000 years?>

  • discipler0

    Tick - I’m not on anyone’s payroll. I didn’t start this thread (broken record), I’m just responding to someone else’s post. The bottom line is, you hate what I have to say and the world view that I’m coming from and you are convinced that there’s some political agenda behind the information I share. You’re wrong.

    ribit – The Second law of thermodynamics. You can find out more in the response to the article you just linked:

    http://www.trueorigins.org/isakr…

    “Five Major Evolutionist Misconceptions about Evolution” (True Origins was created as a response to the falsehood perpetuated on Talk Origins).

    Tick – let’s see if these credentials qualify as “REAL scientists” (everyone in the following list possesses a PHD or double PHD in a scientific field – these are just a few of a long list of Creationists, some of whom are published authors who’s books can be found in mainstream bookstores. After this Creationist list, I’ve listed I.D. scientists (and authors)):

    Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
    Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
    Dr James Allan, Geneticist
    Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
    Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
    Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
    Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
    Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
    Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
    Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
    Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
    Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
    Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
    Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
    Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
    Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
    Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
    Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
    Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
    Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
    Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
    Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
    Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
    Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
    Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
    Dr Bob Compton, DVM
    Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
    Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
    Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
    Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
    Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
    Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
    Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
    Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
    Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
    Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
    Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
    Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
    Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
    Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
    Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research
    Dr André Eggen, Geneticist
    Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
    Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
    Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
    Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
    Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
    Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
    Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research
    Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
    Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
    Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
    Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
    Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
    Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
    Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher
    Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
    Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
    Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
    Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
    Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer
    Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
    Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist
    Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
    Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
    Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
    Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
    Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
    Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
    Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
    Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
    George T. Javor, Biochemistry
    Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
    Dr Arthur Jones, Biology
    Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
    Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
    Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
    Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
    Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist
    Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
    Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
    Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
    Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
    Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
    Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
    Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
    Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
    Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
    Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
    Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
    Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
    Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
    Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
    Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
    Prof. John Lennox, Mathematics
    Dr John Leslie, Biochemist
    Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
    Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
    Dr Alan Love, Chemist
    Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
    Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
    Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
    Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
    Dr John McEwan, Chemist
    Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
    Dr David Menton, Anatomist
    Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
    Dr John Meyer , Physiologist
    Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
    Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
    Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist
    Dr John D. Morris, Geologist
    Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
    Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
    Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
    Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
    Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher
    Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
    Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
    Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
    Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
    Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
    Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
    Prof. Richard Porter
    Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist
    Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.
    Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
    Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
    Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
    Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology
    Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
    Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
    Dr Ian Scott, Educator
    Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
    Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
    Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
    Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
    Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
    Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer
    Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
    Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
    Dr Andrew Snelling , Geologist
    Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
    Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology
    Prof. James Stark , Assistant Professor of Science Education
    Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
    Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry
    Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics
    Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
    Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
    Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
    Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
    Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
    Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
    Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
    Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
    Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
    Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist
    Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
    Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
    Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
    Dr Lara Wieland, Medical doctor
    Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
    Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
    Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
    Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
    Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
    Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
    Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
    Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
    Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
    Dr Henry Zuill, Biology

    Here are just a few of the Intelligent Design Scientists. In no particular order:

    Michael Behe, Professor of Biochemistry
    Robert W. Faid, American Nuclear Society, Nuclear Scientist
    Michael Denton, medical doctor and molecular biologist
    Francis Hitching
    Mae-Wan Ho
    Soren Lovtrup
    Rodney Stark, Professor of Social Sciences
    Gordon Rattray Taylor
    ANDREW BOCARSLY, Ph.D. Chemistry, Princeton University
    HENRY F. SCHAEFER III, Ph. D. Quantum Computational Chemistry
    ROBERT TINNIN, Ph.D Biology, Portland State University
    BENJAMIN VOWELS, M.D. Dermatology, University of Pennsylvania
    STEPHEN MEYER (Ph.D. in History & Philosophy of Science University of Cambridge), currently professor of philosophy at Whitworth College.
    DAVID IVES, Ph.D, Biochemistry, Ohio State University
    WILLIAM DEMBSKI, Ph.D. Philosophy (University of Illinois at Chicago), Ph.D. Mathematics (University of Chicago)
    ROBERT KAITA, Ph.D. Plasma Physics, Princeton University
    FRED SIGWORTH, Ph.D. Physiology, Yale Medical School
    LEO ZACHARSKI, M.D. Medicine, Dartmouth Medical School
    DAVID VAN DYKE, Ph. D. Chemistry, University of Pennsylvania
    ROBERT JENKINS, Ph.D. Biology, Ithaca College
    ROBERT C. KOONS, Ph.D. Philosophy, UT, Austin
    GORDON C. MILLS, Ph.D., Biochemistry Emeritus, UT Medical Center, Galveston
    DONALD D. HOFFMAN, Ph.D. Cognitive Science University of California, Irvine
    ROBERT PRUD'HOMME, Ph. D. Chemical Engineering, Princeton University
    ALVIN PLANTINGA, Ph.D. Philosophy, University of Notre Dame
    GEORGE LEBO, Ph.D. Astronomy, University of Florida
    JOHN FANTUZZO, Ph.D. Psychology in Education, University of Pennsylvania
    WALTER BRADLEY, Ph.D. Chairman, Mechanical Engineering, Texas A & M University
    DONALD L. EWERT, Ph.D. Molecular Biology, Director of Research Administration, Wistar Institute
    DOUGLAS LAUFFENBERGER, Ph.D. Cell & Structural Biology, University of Illinois
    JACK OMDAHL, Ph.D. Biochemistry, University of New Mexico
    JOSEPH M. MELUCHAMP, Ph.D. Management Science, University of Alabama
    KIRK LARSEN, Ph.D. Zoology, Miami University (Ohio)
    PAUL CHIEN, Ph.D. Biology, University of San Francisco
    WILLIAM SANDINE, Ph.D. Microbiology, Oregon State University
    H. C. HlNRICHS, Ph. D. Physics, Linfield College
    WILLIAM STUNTZ, J.D. Law Faculty, University of Virginia
    CHRIS LITTLER, Ph.D. Physics, N.Texas State University
    JOHN ANGUS CAMPBELL, Ph.D. Speech Communication, University of Washington
    T. RICK IRVIN, Ph.D. Institute for Environmental Studies, Louisiana State University
    DAVID WILCOX, Ph.D. Biology, Eastern College
    STEPHEN FAWL, Ph.D. Chemistry, Napa Valley College
    OTTO HELWEG, Ph.D. Civil Engineering, Memphis State University
    J. GARY EDEN, Ph. D. Elect. & Computer Engineering, University of Illinois
    H. KEITH MILLER, Ph.D. Biology (ret.), Capital University
    JOHN COGDELL, Ph.D. Elect. & Computer Engineering, University of Texas, Austin

  • JazX0

    discipler, how old do you think diamonds are? less than 6,000 years?>
    mrdobolina
    (Jun 12 05, 17:18)

    That's kind of tough to say, no one has ever sat and watched a diamond form, except synthetically (Moissonite, etc.). Most of them were formed during the Archean during major vulcanism. hey guess about how long it takes. Depends on the geophysical paleo-environment (Temperature and Pressure).

  • mrdobolina0

    diamonds are compressed coal, no? my point is they are older than 6000 years, thus the bibble is full o shit.

  • JazX0

    Most diamonds are mined from volcanic pipes, where they have been deposited by deep-origin volcanoes drawing material from over 90 miles (150 km) deep within the Earth, where the pressure and temperature is suitable for diamond formation.

    It's just that their chemical composition is that of carbon. It's a crystalline form, or allotrope, of carbon. The same thing coal is for the most part. There are different kinds of coal, ranging in different compositions, but mostly all organic.

    Synthetically, carbon is used to produce fake diamonds among other minerals.

  • Anarchitect0

    Creationism is the desperate call for help from obscurantism in their last days, a medieval non secular approach to science only found in the evangelical states aka Dumbfuckistan.

    good. fucking. riddance.

  • discipler0

    mrdobs, these articles should satisfy your query about diamonds:

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/…

    http://www.trueorigin.org/helium… (fairly technical)

  • JazX0

    not trying to give you sh*t, mrdobolina. I studied that crap for my BS. ^_^

  • discipler0

    Anarchitect, tell it to the Creationist PHD's that span the globe.

    Sorry it doesn't fit with your secularist paradigm.

    Pseudo "enlightenment" science needs a software upgrade.

  • mrdobolina0

    the earth is older than 6K, face it.

  • JazX0

    discipler.

    "However, these Norwegian microdiamonds just do not comply with the textbooks! Whereas they should have been in volcanic mantle rocks, they were found in metamorphic rocks."

    That's actually quite interesting because to this point in time, most diamond deposits are/were found in Kimberlites, which is the surrounding deposit. All Igneous in origin. Hmmm, but then again igneous rock can be turned into Metamorphic rock under the right Temperature and Pressure.

  • discipler0

    sigh... mrdobs, look... the age of the earth isn't really even the central issue with me. There are young earth Creationists and there are Old earth Creationists. Frankly, both can fit into the Genesis view of origins because some hold to a belief in pre-Ademic life due to room for interpretation of the word "day" in Gensis. It's really a secondary issue. The real issue for me is challenging Darwinian explanations for biological life. The fact is that the most recent and reliable scientific discoveries demonstrate that Macroevolution could not and did not occur. This is why you have so many books, TV shows (did you watch TV satrurday night?), published papers, etc... coming to the surface right now.

    I will simply say that Carbon dating is very inconsistant and there IS scientific evidence that would suggest the earth is considerably younger than the mainstream scientific community has believed.

  • discipler0

    yeah, it's interesting stuff to chew on, JazX. I don't know a whole lot about diamond formation and the like. I bet it would be fascinating to be a Geologist though.

  • JazX0

    I will simply say that Carbon dating is very inconsistant and there IS scientific evidence that would suggest the earth is considerably younger than the mainstream scientific community has believed.
    discipler
    (Jun 13 05, 06:34)

    Carbon-14 dating can only be used to date back so far. It's limited in it's usage and unreliable to date ancient rock formations. Potassium-Argon dating is used for the very old stuff. (K-Ar)

  • mrdobolina0

    I understand that you dont care about the age of the earth, but it does poke a mighty hole in the bible.

  • discipler0

    how does it do that, mrdobs?