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- ribit0
How does macro-evolution break the 3rd law of thermodynamics?
I don't think it has a problem with elements of the universe 'bucking the system' (as life does..it's what make life special isn't it?)...the laws of thermodynamics only refer to a general move to entropy, if no other system is actively working against it (life)..right?
- ribit0
oops 2nd law...
- TheTick0
Neat new evolution site to fight the ID people written by you know REAL scientists...
- ribit0
also appears useful:
Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/…
- mrdobolina0
discipler, how old do you think diamonds are? less than 6,000 years?>
- discipler0
Tick - I’m not on anyone’s payroll. I didn’t start this thread (broken record), I’m just responding to someone else’s post. The bottom line is, you hate what I have to say and the world view that I’m coming from and you are convinced that there’s some political agenda behind the information I share. You’re wrong.
ribit – The Second law of thermodynamics. You can find out more in the response to the article you just linked:
http://www.trueorigins.org/isakr…
“Five Major Evolutionist Misconceptions about Evolution” (True Origins was created as a response to the falsehood perpetuated on Talk Origins).
Tick – let’s see if these credentials qualify as “REAL scientists” (everyone in the following list possesses a PHD or double PHD in a scientific field – these are just a few of a long list of Creationists, some of whom are published authors who’s books can be found in mainstream bookstores. After this Creationist list, I’ve listed I.D. scientists (and authors)):
Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr James Allan, Geneticist
Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Dr Bob Compton, DVM
Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research
Dr André Eggen, Geneticist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
Dr Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Prof. John Lennox, Mathematics
Dr John Leslie, Biochemist
Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Dr Alan Love, Chemist
Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Dr John McEwan, Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr David Menton, Anatomist
Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr John Meyer , Physiologist
Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist
Dr John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
Prof. Richard Porter
Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist
Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
Dr Ian Scott, Educator
Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
Dr Andrew Snelling , Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark , Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr Lara Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr Henry Zuill, BiologyHere are just a few of the Intelligent Design Scientists. In no particular order:
Michael Behe, Professor of Biochemistry
Robert W. Faid, American Nuclear Society, Nuclear Scientist
Michael Denton, medical doctor and molecular biologist
Francis Hitching
Mae-Wan Ho
Soren Lovtrup
Rodney Stark, Professor of Social Sciences
Gordon Rattray Taylor
ANDREW BOCARSLY, Ph.D. Chemistry, Princeton University
HENRY F. SCHAEFER III, Ph. D. Quantum Computational Chemistry
ROBERT TINNIN, Ph.D Biology, Portland State University
BENJAMIN VOWELS, M.D. Dermatology, University of Pennsylvania
STEPHEN MEYER (Ph.D. in History & Philosophy of Science University of Cambridge), currently professor of philosophy at Whitworth College.
DAVID IVES, Ph.D, Biochemistry, Ohio State University
WILLIAM DEMBSKI, Ph.D. Philosophy (University of Illinois at Chicago), Ph.D. Mathematics (University of Chicago)
ROBERT KAITA, Ph.D. Plasma Physics, Princeton University
FRED SIGWORTH, Ph.D. Physiology, Yale Medical School
LEO ZACHARSKI, M.D. Medicine, Dartmouth Medical School
DAVID VAN DYKE, Ph. D. Chemistry, University of Pennsylvania
ROBERT JENKINS, Ph.D. Biology, Ithaca College
ROBERT C. KOONS, Ph.D. Philosophy, UT, Austin
GORDON C. MILLS, Ph.D., Biochemistry Emeritus, UT Medical Center, Galveston
DONALD D. HOFFMAN, Ph.D. Cognitive Science University of California, Irvine
ROBERT PRUD'HOMME, Ph. D. Chemical Engineering, Princeton University
ALVIN PLANTINGA, Ph.D. Philosophy, University of Notre Dame
GEORGE LEBO, Ph.D. Astronomy, University of Florida
JOHN FANTUZZO, Ph.D. Psychology in Education, University of Pennsylvania
WALTER BRADLEY, Ph.D. Chairman, Mechanical Engineering, Texas A & M University
DONALD L. EWERT, Ph.D. Molecular Biology, Director of Research Administration, Wistar Institute
DOUGLAS LAUFFENBERGER, Ph.D. Cell & Structural Biology, University of Illinois
JACK OMDAHL, Ph.D. Biochemistry, University of New Mexico
JOSEPH M. MELUCHAMP, Ph.D. Management Science, University of Alabama
KIRK LARSEN, Ph.D. Zoology, Miami University (Ohio)
PAUL CHIEN, Ph.D. Biology, University of San Francisco
WILLIAM SANDINE, Ph.D. Microbiology, Oregon State University
H. C. HlNRICHS, Ph. D. Physics, Linfield College
WILLIAM STUNTZ, J.D. Law Faculty, University of Virginia
CHRIS LITTLER, Ph.D. Physics, N.Texas State University
JOHN ANGUS CAMPBELL, Ph.D. Speech Communication, University of Washington
T. RICK IRVIN, Ph.D. Institute for Environmental Studies, Louisiana State University
DAVID WILCOX, Ph.D. Biology, Eastern College
STEPHEN FAWL, Ph.D. Chemistry, Napa Valley College
OTTO HELWEG, Ph.D. Civil Engineering, Memphis State University
J. GARY EDEN, Ph. D. Elect. & Computer Engineering, University of Illinois
H. KEITH MILLER, Ph.D. Biology (ret.), Capital University
JOHN COGDELL, Ph.D. Elect. & Computer Engineering, University of Texas, Austin
- JazX0
discipler, how old do you think diamonds are? less than 6,000 years?>
mrdobolina
(Jun 12 05, 17:18)That's kind of tough to say, no one has ever sat and watched a diamond form, except synthetically (Moissonite, etc.). Most of them were formed during the Archean during major vulcanism. hey guess about how long it takes. Depends on the geophysical paleo-environment (Temperature and Pressure).
- mrdobolina0
diamonds are compressed coal, no? my point is they are older than 6000 years, thus the bibble is full o shit.
- JazX0
Most diamonds are mined from volcanic pipes, where they have been deposited by deep-origin volcanoes drawing material from over 90 miles (150 km) deep within the Earth, where the pressure and temperature is suitable for diamond formation.
It's just that their chemical composition is that of carbon. It's a crystalline form, or allotrope, of carbon. The same thing coal is for the most part. There are different kinds of coal, ranging in different compositions, but mostly all organic.
Synthetically, carbon is used to produce fake diamonds among other minerals.
- Anarchitect0
Creationism is the desperate call for help from obscurantism in their last days, a medieval non secular approach to science only found in the evangelical states aka Dumbfuckistan.
good. fucking. riddance.
- discipler0
mrdobs, these articles should satisfy your query about diamonds:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/…
http://www.trueorigin.org/helium… (fairly technical)
- JazX0
not trying to give you sh*t, mrdobolina. I studied that crap for my BS. ^_^
- discipler0
Anarchitect, tell it to the Creationist PHD's that span the globe.
Sorry it doesn't fit with your secularist paradigm.
Pseudo "enlightenment" science needs a software upgrade.
- mrdobolina0
the earth is older than 6K, face it.
- JazX0
discipler.
"However, these Norwegian microdiamonds just do not comply with the textbooks! Whereas they should have been in volcanic mantle rocks, they were found in metamorphic rocks."
That's actually quite interesting because to this point in time, most diamond deposits are/were found in Kimberlites, which is the surrounding deposit. All Igneous in origin. Hmmm, but then again igneous rock can be turned into Metamorphic rock under the right Temperature and Pressure.
- discipler0
sigh... mrdobs, look... the age of the earth isn't really even the central issue with me. There are young earth Creationists and there are Old earth Creationists. Frankly, both can fit into the Genesis view of origins because some hold to a belief in pre-Ademic life due to room for interpretation of the word "day" in Gensis. It's really a secondary issue. The real issue for me is challenging Darwinian explanations for biological life. The fact is that the most recent and reliable scientific discoveries demonstrate that Macroevolution could not and did not occur. This is why you have so many books, TV shows (did you watch TV satrurday night?), published papers, etc... coming to the surface right now.
I will simply say that Carbon dating is very inconsistant and there IS scientific evidence that would suggest the earth is considerably younger than the mainstream scientific community has believed.
- discipler0
yeah, it's interesting stuff to chew on, JazX. I don't know a whole lot about diamond formation and the like. I bet it would be fascinating to be a Geologist though.
- JazX0
I will simply say that Carbon dating is very inconsistant and there IS scientific evidence that would suggest the earth is considerably younger than the mainstream scientific community has believed.
discipler
(Jun 13 05, 06:34)Carbon-14 dating can only be used to date back so far. It's limited in it's usage and unreliable to date ancient rock formations. Potassium-Argon dating is used for the very old stuff. (K-Ar)
- mrdobolina0
I understand that you dont care about the age of the earth, but it does poke a mighty hole in the bible.
- discipler0
how does it do that, mrdobs?