Creationist Lies
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- mrdobolina0
you're back to evolution again. we are already aware that you dont belive it, but you do belive in ghosts. imagine that.
- discipler0
Not true, mrdobs. There are many scientists who believe in a much younger earth. There is and has always been debate amongst naturalist scientists, about this. Generally speaking, of course, naturalist scientists believe in an extremely old earth. I'm saying that there's inconcisteny in the dating methods. Remember the "Piltdown man" tooth that dating suggested was thousands of years old? Remember how it turned out to be a 30 year old pig's tooth?
- discipler0
and so begins the ridicule.
- ********0
The Devonian Age was me favorite. Slick, nasty little creatures were running around.
We are currently fighting wars based upon the Carboniferous Age, which fueled paleo-swamps and modern day Anticline-based Oil and Gas reserves.
- ********0
I'm saying that there's inconcisteny in the dating methods.
discipler
(Jun 13 05, 07:25)That was my point about C-14 and K-Ar dating methods. Are they valid?
- mrdobolina0
if a scientist says that something is 10 million years old and you say it is impossible as the earth is only 6,000 years old. I think the scientist may have a point that this ball is older than 6g's.
- discipler0
but what you're missing is that it's not just me saying it... it's a host of scientists saying it. The bottom line is, there is debate about the age of the earth amongst scientists. Look at the list I posted above and look at their credentials. Look at the credentials of the AIG contributors. Scientists. Real ones. And they say the evidence points to a young earth.
- mrdobolina0
because they are trying to fit it aroun d a religious model.
- discipler0
No, because the evidence demonstrates an earth that is only thousands of years old. The findings are very specific, you can examine them for yourself. Has nothing to do with religion. Anyway, that same line of reasoning could be used about evolutionists, since philosophical naturalism is the world view which undergirds evolution. I could say they are trying to fit their findings into an atheistic naturalist model.
- ********0
it's interesting nonetheless. a bit mindboggling..
- mrdobolina0
if someone doesnt beoieve in god, are they naturally an athiest to you? why does everything have to be so pigeonholed?
- discipler0
If a global deluge ocurred, and secular as well as Biblical history says it did, then it would easily explain how we can have the geological deposits, fossils, etc... that we do, and a young earth.
- discipler0
an atheist, by defenition, is one who does not believe in God.
- mrdobolina0
but the problem with that is that it groups them together as though they are an organized group.
- ********0
Going through my bible this weekend I found Jesus making zero references to dinosaurs, geologists, carbon dating, evolutionary theory.
He did speak alot about loving one's enemies, finding the Kingdom of Heaven, peace on earth, giving to ceaser what's ceaser and overthrowing alot of conventions (moneychangers didn't take a shine to the boy) and pissing off people in power I think those pharisees didn't like him too much either) . But nada about dinosaurs.
So, I have figured it would be fair if Creationists keep Jesus out of my science classes and I'll try not to bring up science stuff in churches. Is this a deal?
(I know it won't be..but one can hope..)
- ********0
lol, TheTick. You got a point. Something don't mix well, it's like oil and water.
- discipler0
heh, Tick. Nope, Jesus didn't speak of such things. Just as he didn't communicate that our ancestors were ultimately goo in a primordial puddle somewhere. If you read your new NT carefully though, you will see how Jesus, in more than one place, spoke of the events of the book of Genesis as fact (I'd be happy to cite the references if you are interested).
Nobody wants to teach Biblical creation in public schools, not to my knowledge at least. What they do want, is for teachers and textbooks to stop teaching a naturalistic "belief" as fact. And to teach along side this belief, the scientific evidence that points to a Creator who intelligently designed the universe.
- ********0
Look, my point is Discipler can waste his college education in anyway he wants, but Creationism (ID) isn't just creationism, it's a small part of a far larger agenda. It is also a
To me christians should be out feeding the poor, protesting the war in Iraq because I really cdan't see Jesus being a pro-war kinda guy (why they aren't really makes me wonder...), giving comfort to the poor and sick..they should be setting s shining example which might actually make me feel bad for leaving the hypocrisy that is modern christianity. But no, they would much rather attack science, infiltrate politics and feel "persecuted" in the freest country on the planet.
Creationism, and it's current support and exponents, are trying to co-opt the Modern system. Period. You give them an inch and they will take a mile.
Christianity ruled the West for millenia and did little to really elevate the power and life of the common man. It made him sacrifice it to Kings, wars and delusional priests and ministers.
Science (which is really just a different way of thinking about the world) has been on the scene for a few hundred years and has lifted more of humanity out of poverty and misery than any religion ever did. Sure it created other problems, but we will deal with those - that's what humanity is about - that struggle - and WE need religion for that - for our ethics, spirituality and wisdom. We don't need it to tell us what dinosaurs are.
You can have my Modern Enlightenment based world when you pry it from my cold, dead hands...
- ********0
BTW, TheTick, I like your slant on the Bible. I should tell GeorgiePorgie about you. You're in the club now. You know that 1% that actually understands the Bible from a teaching standpoint.
- ********0
Ohh dear, this fight will never end. I just wanted to state a few scientific facts that don't support either side in reality. :)