Creationist Lies
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- Mimio0
We have the luxury of being alive now. So how stupid would someone have to be to apply the same world view in the modern context? Are we not closer to some sort of truth and about the nature of reality?
- TheTick0
"Are we not closer to some sort of truth and about the nature of reality?"
Gee, I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. The good thing about the modern mindset is the ability to say "I don't know" and be able to live with the doubt and find meaning in the very process to explorre and find out more. Much better than having a problem with living with the doubt and subscribing all the answers to "god" and an elite group who will more than happily interpret what god wants for all us scared doubters...for a small price of course - obendience, money, power, etc...
- discipler0
Dizzying. Once again this thread has launched into a thousand different directions, each a discussion in themselves. I'm just going to throw out some random points...
ID - Means Intelligent Design, Tick. There are plenty of Jewish and non-Christian- Theist scientists who embrace it. So, as desperately as you want it to be some kind of Christian agenda that wants to infiltrate governement and public schools, you are completely wrong. It's about observing the complexity of organisms and conlcuding that certain things did and did not take place, scientifically. Logically, what science is observing should be taught in our classrooms. At the very least, Darwinism should not be taught as fact and the only legitimate belief out there. You really need to get familiarized with what is being claimed by ID scientists. Period.
"Fundies" - You're clearly prejuidiced against anyone who takes the Bible as the inerrant word of God from cover to cover despite the scores of brilliant Scholars & Theologians, Professors and Authors. Again, your caricature of those who literally believe it doesn't stand up against the facts. Conservative scholars probably outnumber the liberal ones who teach it as a good book of allegorical stories. Yet they have equal academic credentials.
Fact - Archaeology has it's roots in Christianity, whether you like it or not. Numerous artifacts have been recovered which confirm locations, names and objects in the Bible. Say the word and I'll list you some examples. This doesn't even take into consideration the reliability of the Old Testament manuscripts and how there shouldn't even be question about the narritive they present. You don't question historical records that have even half of the reliabilty that the Biblical manuscripts do.
And it's more accurate to say that we live in a Post Modern culture that is reacting against earlier modernist principles. We are realizing that the notions from 150 years ago aren't quite as sound as we once thought. People are hungry. People are searching.
- mrdobolina0
doesnt the old testament say the earth is flat and the sun travels around the earth?
- discipler0
Additionally, we have a prejuidice in the 20th/21st century west against the supernatural. We have made the mistake of thinking that science must somehow negate the spiritual realm. It's foolish to suggest that just because we have not experienced or "seen" something that it does not exist. God dealt with people in the O.T. according to their culture. He revealed himself and his dealings in a way appropriate for that dispensation. This does not mean he does not intervene in the lives of believers supernatural ways today, but the focus of Christ's ministry was for us to believe without "seeing". He stressed seeing in our "hearts". Faith.
- TheTick0
This is my last post on this thread.
If you don't think ID ISN'T an outgrowth of Christian Fundamentalism with a specific political agenda in the US then you are the one being dishonest.
I'm done with this. I don't coddle your type in the real world, why should I on the internet at the one place I try to go and actually learn about my profession..
- discipler0
Whatever, Tick. As I said, there are more ID proponents that are either Jewish or just nebulous about who or what the God is that created everything, than there are Christians. Because the Christian scientists end up in the Creationist camp.
- mrdobolina0
I agree with tick, a lot of the proponents of ID in schools are also anti-abortion types.
- discipler0
has to do with the world view you begin with, mrdobs. If I believe that the universe is some accident and that we are little more than sophisticated apes, I'm not going to think much of destroying the unborn. If, however, I believe there's a designer to all of this and if I believe he created humans, I have to believe there is a certain dignity and importance to human life and that perhaps it's not right to abort the unborn.
- discipler0
I gotta scoot, lads. *kisses
- mrdobolina0
god created abortion.
- TheTick0
Abortion is a whole different issue - one WITH a defendable moral and ethical center whatever side of the issue you fall on. ID is crap.
Dammit. You made me make another post on this thread...
- Mimio0
He had to remind us that he thinks we're amoral before he leaves. Apparently intellectual dishonesty is not a sin.
- JazX0
Indiana Jones doesn't represent the vast majority of anthrolopological and archaeological work being done. You both know this. Ask yourself why that is, and you'll get the point I was making.
Mimio
(Jun 13 05, 08:42)What's this silly talk about Anthropology again. Not so much you Mimio, I just brought that point back up.
WTheF are talking about comparing Geologic Dating machanisms with society? This is ridiculous.
Pre-Cambrian rock dates back at 3.4 Billion years old according to the widely accepting Evolutionary K-Ar dating. Homo Sapiens in the same scale are but hairline in comparison.
- mrdobolina0
hence, the earth is really fucking old.
- JazX0
Definitely old, 3.4 Billion, maybe a little off or way off. Older than 6K, no doubt about it in my book.
There's no way you can take the Bible and say it's 6K exactly, that's a far fetched guess, imo.
- Mimio0
Because we were basically talking about naturalism and mysticism, and which guides modern science more.
- mrdobolina0
it's unrealistic to think that it is only a few thousand years old.
Otherwise intelligent people believe it too, that is what blows me away.
- JazX0
ok, this thread got bent way out of shape, but typical I guess.
now back to joking
*switches from science mode to goofball mode ;)
- discipler0
JazX, I'd be interested in hearing your take on the following:
http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-…
http://www.icr.org/research/as/a…
Keep in mind the author is a PHD Geologist.