Creationist Lies
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- yarsrevenge0
Hey Tick...
Really... you're beating a dead horse with the whole Bush/Christians/Republican crap. You seriously need to understand that these types do NOT represent the entire Christian population. Seriously man... it's getting old and quite frankly disrespectful. I'll openly admit I'm Catholic, and true Catholics don't believe in all that crap to begin with. The Pope was totally against the Bushes since his dad was in office and we saw this as an obvious attempt to get the catholic vote when he went to "talk" to the pope before he died.... so please don't generalize when you say the word "Christians" so loosly. That's like saying you hate all of Mexico because Taco Bell put a human finger in your Chilito.
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There has historically been much more CO2 in our atmosphere than exists today. For example, during the Jurassic Period (200 mya), average CO2 concentrations were about 1800 ppm or about 4.8 times higher than today. The highest concentrations of CO2 during all of the Paleozoic Era occurred during the Cambrian Period, nearly 7000 ppm -- about 19 times higher than today.
The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today-- 4400 ppm. According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming.
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Although, to be fair. Since of the Earth's atmosphere is out-of-balance with the conditions expected from simple chemical equilibrium, it is very hard to say what precisely sets the level of the carbon dioxide content in the air throughout geologic time. While scientists are fairly certain that a 100 million years ago carbon dioxide values were many times higher than now, the exact value is in doubt. In very general terms, long-term reconstructions of atmospheric CO2 levels going back in time show that 500 million years ago atmospheric CO2 was some 20 times higher than present values. It dropped, then rose again some 200 million years ago to 4-5 times present levels--a period that saw the rise of giant fern forests--and then continued a slow decline until recent pre-industrial time.
- bumblefuck0
"although at the heart of every religion lies "the jewel in the lotus," to use an ancient Tibetan Buddhist term, religion itself is not the truth but a story woven around the truth. Sometimes the story only veils the truth and it is still able to shine through it. At other times, it obscures and even usurps it. Whenever religion becomes divisive, as it frequently does, you know that the story has taken over. The essence that points to the underlying oneness of all life, has been lost. The story, of course, is thought, the conditioned, the timebound. The essence points to the unconditioned, timeless, formless, the realm of the sacred. "Be still and know that I am God"."
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ohh look kids, this thread rears it's ugly head once again.
what fun!
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Yars - from the beginning I have stated my problem has been with the subset of American Christianity that I have referred to specifically as fundamentalists that a) literally translates the Bible and b) uses that as a basis to influence public policy and promote inherent misinterpretations about American society.
This is an example from todays news here in NY:
The leader of a conservative Christian lobby group appears to suggest that gays should be required to wear warning labels, although he denies that was his intention.
"We put warning labels on cigarette packs because we know that smoking takes one to two years off the average life span, yet we 'celebrate' a lifestyle that we know spreads every kind of sexually transmitted disease and takes at least 20 years off the average life span according to the 2005 issue of the revered scientific journal Psychological Reports," Rev. Bill Banuchi, executive director of the New York Christian Coalition told the Mid Hudson News.
I find the movement vaguely fascist and scary. I am against their influence in government lobbying. As an American it is my right.
In no way have I alluded about the inherent moral goodness of christianity in general, of which I am a member.
If you want to ignore it and think I am broad brushing christianity or even good christian americans in general you sir are misreading me.
I am standing against fasiscm and not religion.
- kelpie0
ha ha Kuz - it had to see the light of day eventually eh? ;)
well done. Creationism is utter tripe.
bye again :)
- ********0
Booooooo!
Science please....
Enough talk about religion in America for sh*t's sake. As if the only Creationists abide here.
On a side note, I do like the Deccan Traps Theory: "This warming could have been kicked off by carbon dioxide released by a massive eruption of lava seen today in the Deccan traps of India."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/t…
Concept of 'Uniformitarianism'.
What exists today, existed then, due to the same laws of physics.
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JazX - in re: to the CO2 levels. I'm only stating that there is evidence that human industrial activity is most probably increasing current CO2 levels among other warming factors.
That the earth had higher levels at other times in it's history is a given. The issue is to have awareness of our influence and some preparedness for the impact on human social and cultural factors of this warming, and also the potential environmental effects.
I'm not a negative nelly on this. Some species will most assuredlt benefit and others won't, but there could be the potential for distabilization to the human environment with political effects we might not be aware of. That's it.
- discipler0
I love the "Creationism is crap" approach here. How insightful. Forget about all the compelling scientific fact put forth by the numerous PHD's... no, instead of discussing the actual science - it doesn't fit in with my fallacious paradigm about how science and "religion" should be seperate, so I'll just call it "crap" or "trite".
Sigh.
Oh, JazX, here is the official site for I.D.: http://www.ideacenter.org/
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..oh - and I am aware of the research that posits that we might just be in a normal cyclical phase of earth heating/cooling cycle. Plausible given the evidence. But I also think it's most probable we are accelerating or adding to those effects.,,
- lowimpakt0
why are people caught on the warming issue?
and.
did someone say the earth was 6000 years old?
or was that a prank?
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might have known this was started by Kes... ahahahahahahhaa 1st time I even bother to look at the leviathin.
- discipler0
Some believe there is evidence that the earth is younger than 10,000 years. There is great conjecture regarding dating methods.
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yeah yeah of course we dump sh*t into the atmosphere. I was just going off on the fact that it's been higher. Don't mean it's good for us now or was good for it then, but plenty of organisms lived through it. Obviously, we are alive. The politics surrounding the entire, 'SAVE THE PLANET' crusade pisses me off sometimes. I don't dig someone using falsified data for their own agenda. They say that since CFC's were banned in commerical products, the ozone sits just fine. At least, I heard that not too long ago.
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Discipler I say ID is CRAP because you can dtrut about all the PHD's you want. It's flawed science form the beginning. It has an end in mind - essentially that God created it all. You cannot dispute that fact and still have it logically fit in with the ID framework. On that caveat alone it's simply not science.
Science (good science) by definition does not explore a given phenomenon with the expectation of a certain outcome. It gathers facts and makes theories on that which can be disporven by accumulation of more evidence.
ID by it's definition starts wit the idea that a) a divine designer is behind everything around us and b) our investigations will demonstrate that.
Science would say "Is a designer behind everything?" We will gather evidence that can successfully disprove that theory...
- discipler0
Tick, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Science PERIOD observes irreducible complexity in organisms. In Darwin's day, they could only observe a cell under a light microscope, now we have more powerful means of observing the cell and guess what? It is an impossibly complex machine which could not possibly have generated through random biological processes. So, with such new discoveries, objective scientists are logically concluding that there is in intelligence behind life and matter. ID does NOT start with an end in mind, it communicates what science actually observes!
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Some believe there is evidence that the earth is younger than 10,000 years. There is great conjecture regarding dating methods.
discipler
(Jun 14 05, 07:08)yes, dating methods are the key (posted that 300 posts ago) and I will read into that site discipler. If you take a look at all of my posts you will see that I treated you with respect. :)
- discipler0
Furthermore, you are proof positive of "can't make somebody believe what they don't want to believe". You've decided in your non-objective mind that ID posits something that is clearly and openly does not.
Tick, learn: http://www.ideacenter.org/conten…
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ID does NOT start with an end in mind, it communicates what science actually observes!
discipler
(Jun 14 05, 07:13)nothing wrong with that