Creationist Lies
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- Mimio0
Jax, I'm talking about the process that creates fossil fuels and the process that petrifies decaying matter. Surely you're aware of how much time is invloved. Do you not accept the consistency of Geological Column or something? What I'm basically asking... what would make you think that organic matter on Earth isn't hundreds of millions of years old?
- ********0
There are different theories about how this forms Mimio and of course I'm aware of fossilization and what creates non-renewable fossil fuels.
To give discipler some credit, he's correct, a worldwide deluge of some kind can speed up this process, not so much what the Bible talks about but Catastrophism in general. Natural catastrophies that have occurred through geologic history. There have been many of them, as indicated by the rock record.
- discipler0
Yep, agree to disagree, Tick. I couldn't disagree more, as I recognize, like countless Scholars, that the Bible is a historical document with more manuscript evidence than any other historical volume and should be treated as such and that it withstands the scrutiny of the science of Textual Criticism. So, my faith is a faith based in fact.
Far from "the specific story of a specific group of people on the face of the earth", the Bible is actually the story of the provision of redemption for all of mankind thru the volitional sacrifice of Jesus Christ, God incarnate. It crosses cultural and time barriers and transforms lives globally, to this day.
- Mimio0
Could someone please direct me to a scientific article that accounts for how water could expediate the formation of fossil fuels, or other minerals. Sounds like total BS tome, a mineral like anthracite takes intense heat & pressure for million of years to form.
- discipler0
Young earth info including info on petrification:
- ********0
Pressure, temperature, water, time, and some sort of vegetation are the key elements for the formation of coal. According to evolutionary theory, the slow accumulation and decomposition of vegetation living in past ages accounts for the coal seams. However, this theory can not answer why such large amounts of original vegetation without soil can be found in the areas that are now coal seams, or how these coal seams became so thick - some being over two hundred feet in depth.
Scientist Robert Gentry analyzed coalified wood found on the Colorado Plateau in order to determine how long it took for coal to form.1 By treating coal with epoxy and slicing it into thin sheets, Dr. Gentry was able to examine tiny, compressed radiohalos found in the coal. Radiohalos are discolorations in the coal, ejected by radioactive elements in the centers (such as uranium).
According to evolutionary theory, in order for these halos to form, several processes must have occurred. First, water-saturated logs must have been laid down in several different geologic formations, including the Triassic, Jurassic and Eocene layers. Later, uranium solutions infiltrated the water-saturated logs, and uranium decay products were collected at tiny sites within the logs. The radioactive decay from the tiny particles ejected spherical radiation damage regions around those sites, thus producing halos. Finally, a pressure event on the site of the formations compressed the logs as well as the radioactive halos within them. However, because coal is not a malleable substance, scientists know that these logs had not turned to coal at the time the compression event occurred. This points to a quick burial and coalification of the logs – rather than a long time period.
- ********0
The presence of "polystrate" trees (trees petrified or coalified in an upright position) point to a rapid coalification process. One of the most commonly known polystrate trees is found at Katherine Hill Bay, Australia. This fossilized tree can be seen extending over twelve feet, through several sedimentary layers. According to evolutionary theory the different sedimentary layers took hundreds of thousands of years to accumulate. However, we know this is impossible since the tree would have decomposed long before the sediments would have had time to accumulate. Rather, this tree is testimony to the catastrophic and rapid burial that must have taken place.
It does raise my eyebrows... get my point...
- olive0
The bible is just a piece of literature, discipler. 2000 years old and more, but literature nevertheless.
"Far from "the specific story of a specific group of people on the face of the earth", the Bible is actually the story of the provision of redemption for all of mankind thru the volitional sacrifice of Jesus Christ, God incarnate. It crosses cultural and time barriers and transforms lives"
- mrdobolina0
discipler, what would you do without that web site?
- Mimio0
Can you link that article Jazx. I want to show it to someone I'm having lunch with in a few weeks.
Thanks.
- discipler0
Wrong, olive. It's a collection of 66 books filled with prophecy, history, poetry and theology and carries a central theme - redemption for humanity's inherent condition. It's books span thousands of years and it has survived banning attempts and mass murnings and all forms of censorship and to this day remains a best-seller and transforms lives.
- mrdobolina0
this is stupid, this guy cannot believe anything other than the bible.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/…
that is cult-like.
- discipler0
"Rather, this tree is testimony to the catastrophic and rapid burial that must have taken place."
hmmmmm.
- ********0
You know what. You are not god's special little snowflake.
Having spent lots of time overseas with non-christian peoples with millenias of history I always find thw who;le Bible as the Word and Truth of god such hubris and arrogance.
The holiestthing I ever encountered was spending a few nights in a buddhist temple and being allowed to listen to the morning ritual. I imagined at that moment all around the world monks of different religions were chanting and this pure blind love of creation regardless of religious affiliation was the song of man that holds the world together.
That was deep...that the dinosaurs are somehow the levitahans of the old testaent is just plain so lightweight...
Discipler you can't even see that you're BELIEF and CONVICTION that the bible is rigt is what clouds your arguments..it's faith bro, not science. Whatever..
I know I'm the fool and will burn in hell..yippee for me..
- ********0
yeah no problem, you might be taking me wrong. I'm just hunting for answers too, it's interesting and I don't think either side has it completely correct.
http://www.creationevidence.org/…
Not sure if this Dr. Gentry is an independent scientists or not, but his findings are interesting from a purely non-biased scientific viewpoint.
- mrdobolina0
from that article:
"Yes, one can be a conservative Christian and preach authoritatively from God's Word from Genesis 12 onwards. But once you have told people to accept man's dating methods, and thus should not take the first chapters of Genesis as they are written, you have effectively undermined the Bible's authority! This attitude is destroying the church in America. "
oh brother!
- subflux0
(just as a side not: it's a bit weird being a Buddhist some days....)
- discipler0
Somehow I think Mr. Ham believes more than just the Bible. And dobs, I don't agree with everything on that site. And without it, I'd still get valuable information from:
http://www.trueorigins.org
http://www.ideacenter.org
http://www.equip.org
- mrdobolina0
and you would still creep me out, discipler.
- ********0
Let it be known, I love this thread!