Polygamy case
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- BonSeff0
not really.. not for those families who did not engage in rape or incest and had their children ripped.
- but those families voluntarily took part in illegal activities. I'm not saying that their kids should be ripped, but they broke thePoint5
- law, and we all know that consequences aren't always just and/or fair. it's a bad situation, but if you endangerPoint5
- your children by involving them in illegal activities, you as a parent are to blame.Point5
- Mimio0
I think it's reasonable to assume that those other children were in the same danger of being raped or abused. It's protocol in abuse cases, and it all happened on the same private property.
- flashbender0
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/…
June 14, 2005:Up to 1,000 teenage boys have been separated from their parents and thrown out of their communities by a polygamous sect to make more young women available for older men, Utah officials claim.
Many of these "Lost Boys", some as young as 13, have simply been dumped on the side of the road in Arizona and Utah, by the leaders of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (FLDS), and told they will never see their families again or go to heaven.
- Spookytim0
Ok I don't want to watch. Anything involving the distress of children leaves me in a black rage that lasts for days on end. I'm out. Burn the guilty, I'll strike the match.
- Mimio0
You want to law off your back don't have pregnant 13 year olds walking around in 20+ child households.
- tasty0
Hmm...
I would imagine some hate their familes but not all.
A far as what they want to do with theses kids: I imagine waning them off the "brainwash" with psychotherapy for both the parents and children gets a bit tricky.
Polygamy is an option within the Mormon religion. They are not forced to do it - but i think the children are born into it, it's like any religious practice....
I am born and raised catholic, but when i got old enough and got world experience many different opinions weigh in on my beliefs, and i'm pretty much athiest by now - although i dont proclaim it.
But that's the thing is i formed my own opinions which one would be uncapable of in a closed environment. So i dont quite have an answer - i just know these kids need to experience the world outside of what they have been handed.
- flashbender0
Give them Xbox 360s and the latest Grand Theft Auto. They'll all be fine in 3 months.
- ASL?tasty
- true...they can then turn their fear and anger into hit points.dskz
- and learn how the real world works.
I don't get the ASL? thing.flashbender
- harlequino0
Why even haggle over the religious aspects or the "family" aspect? The question is whether or not these 400 minors have been sexually assaulted, abused, or in a dangerous environment.
- ismith0
Does marriage have to do with love in a legal sense, or rather joint tax returns and sharing of property?
- Redmond0
Well what choice do these kids have. You can't rent anything at 13. No one can shelter you without risking prison. They have no papers, nothing.
- dskz0
My problem is this...
They just took 400 kids away from their families who have this structure going... now what?
In other parts of the world kids are born into tribes that rely on pre-technology conditions... do we need to take them and show them what a great world we really live in?
I dont know I guess Im forgetting that these kids are being sexually abused... but is it abuse or is it just the way it is? Dont act like kids arent having sex at 11 years old nowadays...
anyways..i dont really want to defend the polygamists but i like to see both sides of the story before going on modern-day witchhunts.
- tasty0
Witches burn, and what else burns?
Wood!
Yes, and wood floats. What else floats?
... A duck?
Yes! So if this woman weighs as much as a duck, than she is a witch!
- harlequino0
so dskz...
Some 50 year old guy who fled the state when authorities showin up banging a bunch of underage girls and seeding the earth, and then leaving the scene to have his glassy eyed "wives" tend the flock...
you're cool with that?(*disclaimer: providing the evidence in court shows this)
- madirish0
"...including a 16-year-old who had four children."
i am a non-violent human by nature, but this makes me want to go to the other side.
- flashbender0
praying
- tasty0
it's kind of like a battered wife. She sticks around for some reason even though she keeps getting beat. But that doesn't make the abuse OK.
There are better parents for these kids out there...if they want them.
- dskz0
The unibrow girl was kinda hot. Gotta wax them brows though.
- harlequino0
sorry, dskz, didn't mean to suggest that you're "cool" with, was being faecetious. Just saying that religion and family structure isn't really the issue.
There are many increasingly diverse family structures which work just fine, sans the abuse and brainwashing. There are many exmaples of "it takes a village" that work great.- a·ce·tious Audio Help [fuh-see-shuhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
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1. not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.
2. amusing; humorous.
3. lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous: a facetious person.dskz
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- sofas0
Just read that among Bedouin men in Israel (but I assume it's widespread), the first marriage is arranged, and the consecutive ones are by choice, giving the first wife the lowest status according to the husband.
This is also a way for the man to deal with the gap between tradition and modernity.More fucked up facts (not that western relationships are that different) can be found here if you read Hebrew:
http://www.knesset.gov.il/mmm/da…
- dskz0
your right harleyquinn..... no offense taken.
I hope for the best for those kids. They better have some Nintendo Wiis wherever those kids are at... Im sure they will be blown away... or maybe they will grow up to reject the mainstream ways and try to nuke the country for taking them away from their family... WHO KNOWS