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- whatthefunk8
- No no, the Us is "everyone should be like Me."********
- No it isn’t.monospaced
- lol @ BSC. You have to be deluded to think thatscruffics
- busty brainwashed af. boomer maybe?inteliboy
- I'm a Humanist, not a Collectivist. Lookitup********
- You are delusional, palscruffics
- isn't US really just ME, with a little more persuasion and verbal acrobatics?********
- IE never seen an US person voluntarily take a reduction of value for the US movement. When it comes to that They become ME********
- The point is while we're not that different, there are "forces" intentionally separating us.MondoMorphic
- that is very true********
- but wouldnt u think such forces are cartoons as this? presented by a random guy who conistently posts memes to separate?********
- regardless of the illogical fallacies of bogus arguments pointed out above********
- No no, the Us is "everyone should be like Me."
- sarahfailin4
The reason why Customs and Border Protection was able to charge into Portland with wanton disregard for civil liberties is due to the fact that Portland lies within 100 miles of our coasts and borders, where CBP can search and detain people with broad authority. Two-thirds of Americans live within 100 miles of our coasts and borders.
- PhanLo3
Lol
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- Samesiesmonospaced
- ^ Still could happen Mono, will be interesting to how apocalyptic things will go.PhanLo
- wait. isnt that like a aids victim saying eat my cum up yur butt? new a cat with hep c who loved to put his blood all over shit. feels similiar and wrong********
- fuck off idiotmonospaced
- ignoring the question as always********
- nb3
From NPR:
The state of Alabama is arguing in an ongoing federal lawsuit that the framers of the Constitution did not intend for the term "persons" to include immigrants living in the country without authorization.
HAHAHAHA I want to read these arguments. Oh those founding fathers hated immigrants!!! Lolol
- Mayflower Pilgrims hated immigrants too.********
- ‘Without authorization” That sums up the argument, ‘immigrant’ is not the issueGnash
- Mayflower Pilgrims hated immigrants too.
- ********-13
- ********-6
Apparently Trump is telling people to wear masks now?
- Did you fact-check the Liberal Media before posting this nonsense?utopian
- could have saved thousands of deaths if he had done that before...
what a mess...nbq - omaha, are you going to wear a mask, not just your pointy hood? or are you going to represent old testament trump and run it into the ground with your freedumb?imbecile
- yuekit0
MBS expected to be Saudi king by year’s end
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, whose ailing 84-year-old father King Salman was hospitalized on Monday, will likely take control of the kingdom before US elections this November, experts say.
The controversial heir has reason to further cement his grip on power ahead of the November US presidential elections, in which his Oval Office defender, Donald Trump, and generational peer, Mideast point man Jared Kushner, could potentially be ousted from power.
- ********-1
https://reason.com/2020/07/20/th…
interesting for ppl concerned about healthcare cost origins besides only what they pay. I hadn't heard about this one but jeezus no wonder care is such shit. And on top of that got an email today from 1-800 contacts saying j&J lobbying my senator to repeal ability of optometrists to give me my prescription to shop around. What does all this have to do besides big business... Political gate keepers brokering power for re-election gains. Fucked system.
- we really need some sort of hindsight alarm when these laws are repealed. industry lobbyists and the politicians that support this shit to the gulag...kingsteven
- you know db, they probably all think of themselves as libertarians. adam smith never foresaw a situation where economic system or govt would conspirekingsteven
- against its people/ to stand in the way of a doctors hippocratic oath. they're all going straight to hell.kingsteven
- oh btw. i'm talking about the companies that run for-profit hospitals in america that exploit and profit from govt. funding/policy.kingsteven
- not as far along that road in the UK but i'd certainly suggest Richard Branson's head on a spike as a warning to the fuckers with their eyes across the atlantickingsteven
- y'know rather than suggesting entirely privatising healthcare and govt. regulation as a valid solution.kingsteven
- yea nothing u said means shit or means anything. but the hippocratic oath actually is what this shit is against********
- u do know hippo oath as a very base protectionsim racket. also to your point if gov creates policy for people to game is it a fault of the people or gov?********
- whats makes u think creating incentives for ill behavior will go ignored. like leaving a steak on the ground and blaming the dog for eating it********
- blame is top level down and it starts with gov policy. not the hungry animal. If they did nothing that animal would be controlled trough pure market forces********
- adam smith died in the 18th century and i was paraphrasing his comments on healthcare in the united states. there a very few legaly binding hippocratic oathskingsteven
- these day's its just an expression used to suggest that a doctor would be forced to not work in the favour of patients... which is exactly what the articlekingsteven
- describes. you seem to believe that law makers have anti-capitalistic motivations when the article (and the one that links from it) suggest thatkingsteven
- the folks that support the legislation are from 2 camps - those that are concerned about price fixing in treatment and people who profit from monopolising akingsteven
- treatment in an area... on the other side it's people concerned that folks cant get treatment/ wait is too long and people calling for the abolition of govt.kingsteven
- a doctor is concerned about the patient in both cases. and what your left with is folks trying to make as much profit as possible from healthcare...kingsteven
- the govt. regulation is clumsy and that is obvious to anyone with concerns about treatment. but you're posting because you believe that 1) the advocates of thekingsteven
- regulation are anti capitalist because they support regulation that limits competition. 2) that deregulating the healthcare market is a valid solution.kingsteven
- ie. so convinced of the economic determinism of man you offer libertarianism as a solution to people with altruistic concerns and i'm clumsily pointing out thatkingsteven
- even the man that founded the free market had concerns about its ability to provide healthcare.kingsteven
- what?.. First Adam Smith had comments on gov healthcare? I guess germany had it earlier... but i don't see any rational connection to your ramblings********
- Second. I thought was obvious is protectionism laws are anti-capitalist and harm consumers. Clearly as this one does. The idea you have to be approved by ppl********
- to allow you to practice on arbitrary demand and shit is stupid. Unless you support incentives and regulation that creates less doctors and costlier healthcare.********
- It is clearly a rule where someone got paid by a lobbyist to protect their interest. same as unions shit. What merits do you see coming from this regulation********
- that are positive for consumers?********
- I'd love an answer for that one.********
- Yeah, its surprising but Adam Smith even made comments on the health system in the united states back then. The state didn't come in to it...kingsteven
- But I agree this legislation does seem ridiculous and it does seem like there may be a bubble of support between large hospital CEOs and civil servants.kingsteven
- I just think (as in the article) proposing entirely dropping legislation in confidence of the ability of the free market regulating prices is clown shoes...kingsteven
- if a large private hospital closes a ward because a chain clinic for the same condition opens and it's not profitable. how do you ensure bed capacity?kingsteven
- does the govt. then subsidise the chain clinic to provide more beds? you can see how that would be a far worse scenario? in the free market the surplus iskingsteven
- economic. healthcare requires surplus capacity... to anyone with genuine concerns the solution creates the same problemkingsteven
- you didnt answer the question. what is the benefit of said legislation to the consumer?********
- you say it sounds ridiculous but than go into your narrative of evil vs good and philosophy. If it is stupid why not nix it clear as day?********
- good and evil? legislation sounds ridiculous and still it is better than the alternative if the alternative is the free market.kingsteven
- the benefit to the consumer is that supply and demand does not affect the price of treatment. but tbh 'health consumer' is not the right way to think about it..kingsteven
- the advocates of free market healthcare must offer methods of guaranteeing accessibility of treatment but cant because their basis for belief in rationalkingsteven
- economic activity relies on a theoretical absolute. any factor - state insurance, welfare, bailouts, legislation. inhibits the rationality of your system.kingsteven
- giving all doctors little zappers that heal you instantly is about as realistic a solution.kingsteven
- So your an absolute idiot. And you agree such legislation does nothing good for consumer********
- And u get such legislation is what u get when u support your form of healthcare and systematic controls. Rules that benefit no one and never need change********
- Because there is no competition or reason to adapt and change********
- Seriously dude u are a emotional thinker. Not rationale. You take side like a Jesus freak and believe super hard regardless of evidence********
- Morning_star-9
Is the 'right' now more tolerant than the 'left'?
I think current evidence would suggest it's beginning to go that way.
- https://pbs.twimg.co…Bluejam
- ^LOLdmay
- Ask them:
https://i.guim.co.uk…nbq - https://theglobepost…nbq
- each wing belongs to the same birdmoldero
- @moldero, i like that a lot you poetic charmer.Morning_star
- when was the left ever more tolerant? We've had a century of communism around the world and 100 million dead because of it. That's as intolerant as you can get********
- ^ what left? I live in a country with a minority left party in government, and I'm still alive, and I have free healthcare!dmay
- And before we had a right party in charge, and I didn't die, and had free healthcare!
So... ?dmay - The (far) left’s intolerance is insidious, and I would argue is ultimately more dangerous than the (far) right.Gnash
- we don't have any communism thoughmonospaced
- Insidious? Because they advocate equal rights and anti discrimination? They’re only intolerant of bigotry and inequality.monospaced
- Yes, by a mileMondoMorphic
- Yes, insidious. It’s exactly the word I wanted to use. You missed the point completely. AgainGnash
- I consider myself on the far left, or as we like to say radical left. And a current issue with the radical left media I follow is how the "soft left"...deadsperm
- ... pays to much attention to societal issues rather than social ones and is deviating the discourse we would like to take place. From the points you seem ...deadsperm
- ... to be making this seems more of an intolerance from the soft left sjw. I do agree the radical left is not willing to compromise on issues ...deadsperm
- ... we consider essential but I don't see that as intolerance. I could be wrong.
*too much attention (1/2)deadsperm
- Morning_star-7
Regarding my last post: I think the immediate number of downvotes would suggest that's true
- 3 downvotes in 5 mins for a deliberately shit question citing mystery evidence doesn't seem too OTT.Fax_Benson
- (It was 5) Why is it a shit question? This is the Politics thread and i have a suspicion that intolerance in politics is now part of a 'left' agenda rather....Morning_star
- ...than the tradition suggesting the 'right' is more intolerant.Morning_star
- baseless accusations deserve downvoting. using opposition instead of facts as evidence of truth is deathboy crazy.imbecile
- i hope that helps you feel better about your stupidity. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯imbecile
- I'm sure that's true to an extent but how would anyone know which is moreso? How do you quantify it? What's this evidence? What's the point?Fax_Benson
- I was a question followed by an opinion and if you haven't the intelligence to construct an answer that addresses the question then could you refrain from ...Morning_star
- ..a personal attack as it's a very weak retort.Morning_star
- That last bit was for Imbicile. Thanks for your response FaxMorning_star
- "I think current evidence..." can you show us that evidence, please?dmay
- I wouldn’t assume it’s a matter of tolerance at all, but instead a matter of agreement.monospaced
- We can start to actually talk about politics and tolerance if you want though. And you might be surprised at the results.monospaced
- The left is far more tolerant of various cultures, religions and personal choices.monospaced
- Amongst other things, the left are intent on defining, focussing and silohing groups based on our differences rather than uniting us around a common struggle.Morning_star
- This leads to intolerant factionalisation of BLM or LGBT movements for example.Morning_star
- so, when the "left" tries to get the same rights (marriage, adoption) to same sex couples, it's intolerance?dmay
- how about this Morning_Star, to soothe your sensitive feelings..? your supposition is [still] baseless. My opinion is that you are stupid. I hope that helps.imbecile
- @imbecile. "my sensitive feelings' whatever you think brother. I'd rather discuss the idea. If you haven't the knowledge to engage, no problem.Morning_star
- @dmay. Of course not, the 70s, 80s, 90s union of feminist, gay rights, labour unions, social justice etc activism is NOT what the left stands for now.Morning_star
- It’s a cult. Cults are not tolerant.Gnash
- The situations I pointed are happening right now, not in the 70s, 80s, 90sdmay
- The genesis of their (feminism, gay rights etc) political origins started in the 70s, 80s, & 90s and whilst there is still a fair distance to go in achieving...Morning_star
- ...equality progress has certainly been made. The unity evident in those causes gave them the momentum to succeed . However, when the current thinking on the...Morning_star
- ...left leads to the No Platforming of people like Peter Tatchell questions about the motives of the ‘left’ need to be asked.Morning_star
- I think it's a legitimate criticism of some parts of the left. However it's a stretch to call the right tolerant when you consider all these authoritarian,yuekit
- anti-immigrant politicians they are voting into office. Not exactly the first word that comes to mind when you think about people like Trump or Bolsonaro whoyuekit
- send troops after protesters and are constantly demanding bans and censorship.yuekit
- I'm sure you can find extreme people on the left but that is in fact who the right voted for in the two biggest democracies in the western world.yuekit
- Seriouslymonospaced
- R_Kercz0
The "Operation Diligent Valor" title is really ironic given that the non military participants are stealing valor by dressing up in military costumes.
- zarkonite2
In response to what Morning Star said earlier, and in the interest of having an intelligent discussion I think it's worth reading Matt Taibbi's take on the subject:
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/th…
"We laughed at the Republican busybody who couldn't joke, declared war on dirty paintings, and peered through your bedroom window. Now that person has switched sides, and nobody's laughing"
"... a story most everyone in media sees but no one is allowed to comment upon: that the political right and left in America have traded villainous cultural pathologies. Things we once despised about the right have been amplified a thousand-fold on the flip.
Conservatives once tried to legislate what went on in your bedroom; now it’s the left that obsesses over sexual codicils, not just for the bedroom but everywhere. Right-wingers from time to time made headlines campaigning against everything from The Last Temptation of Christ to “Fuck the Police,” though we laughed at the idea that Ice Cube made cops literally unsafe, and it was understood an artist had to do something fairly ambitious, like piss on a crucifix in public, to get conservative protesters off their couches.
Today Matt Yglesias signing a group letter with Noam Chomsky is considered threatening..."
I agree with pretty much everything that Taibbi brings forth, for me anyone who wants to supplant other people's thinking with their ideology, or that refuses to engage in discussion no matter their political leanings doesn't understand what makes North America such a unique place.
- But they just want equal rights and are anti discrimination! How is that a problem, nazi!Gnash
- Taibbi is a cuntallthethings
- i agree!********
- Whether you Agree or disagree, this is still a great article.nb
- Huh. I dont even remember what I'm agreeing to. Also if u declare so ethi g great good to provide reason. U may be saying celery great********
- I disagree it tastes like shit********
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- Poor kid...born into a cult.BusterBoy
- The cult of Maynard James Keenan. Powerful.Morning_star
- it's just an OK sign? sure it is Jan.capn_ron
- Future shithead.garbage
- PhanLo2
- Hannity has that wife beater/kids are scared of dad thing going on. The kind of mong who gets angry at tv sports and calls women sluts.face_melter
- ^Yeah for defo. An odd human being.PhanLo
- @0:29 thinking about creative ways to kill TedBluejam
- ********-7
- fuck off, cunt.BusterBoy
- fuck off troll!utopian
- Slammed by whom? Georgia?monospaced
- Cuomo makes rules in Georgia? Wut?sarahfailin
- No. If you visit Georgia you have to quarantine upon return to New York. Because Georgia is stupid AF and New York isn’t.monospaced
- Or can you not read?monospaced
- Also. Sacramento? Gross.monospaced
- Haha who can defend such a cunt. Worse than defending trump********
- Not really.monospaced
