Politics
- Started
- Last post
- 33,614 Responses
- hallelujah0
"Dear Palin/McCain: If you have to continually remind everyone you're a maverick ... you ain't one."
- hallelujah0
"For her part, GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin – speaking with the programmed cadence of a GPS navigation system — used forced folksiness to deliver crammed material in the manner of a high schooler looking to score a good grade on a Spanish test. The kid may escape with a B-minus, but he wouldn’t be able to order a cup of coffee in Spain a week later."
- nah, the folksiness was real, all the other material was forced and crammed in...TheBlueOne
- Really?, the soccer mom bit was really contrived.Mimio
- I think that's really her....but under that goody two shoes exterior are some very very dark socksTheBlueOne
- TheBlueOne0
She's a maverick that's part of a team of mavericks. I still want clarification on how that works exactly.
- it's like an organized group of anarchists.bulletfactory
- "The Lone Rangers" they call themselves.Mimio
- harlequino0
In thinking about how she may have been coached and what those rehearsal sessions looked like, I keep thinking of this scene from "The Birdcage," with Nathan Lane as a Biden stand-in perhaps, the gum-chewing dancer as Palin, and Robin Williams as the Republican strategist.
The 2:50 mark is where the strategist throws in the towel and lets her run wild with her folksy quirks and sayings.
- rupedixon0
What exactly is maverick about John McCain?
I'm wondering
- That sounds dangerously close to loser commie talk. He's a POW don't you know...TheBlueOne
- MSTRPLN0
Ultimately, we need to shore up the economy with reform for main-street.
- mg330
her slang speak should be a huge turnoff to people. I don't think I am alone in holding presidents and vps to a higher stature than the average person. That is the main reason I was so disgusted by the Clinton/lewinsky thing. Some people said "it's his business, not Americas business." nonsense. We gave the right to hold these people much more accountable than ourselves. And watching her speak like a robotic moron with all her joe six pack lingo is just kind of disgraceful IMO. Maybe that is what they think people want... But personally I want someone who will be intelligent on the world stage. Gosh darnit, that ain't her or McCain.
- What you didn't like her "shout outs"?TheBlueOne
- the shout outs were bizzare. VP not PTA!cosmik
- cosmik0
at one point in the debate after she had commended Biden for the the second or third time, he lets out a deep breath while looking at her...he looked like he wanted to punch her. lol
- he had that big shit eating grin like, what the fuck are you talking about?hallelujah
- TheBlueOne0
I was talking with my friend last night and he was said, "I just can't wait for this election season to be over and we can get back to normal and not have everything so political."
And I realized and commented on that if Obama wins, well expect Fox News to return to glory, just like they did under Clinton. They become the opposition media, which is far easier to do than running interference for the failures of Bush. They and all the other rightwing media is just going to try and bury an Obama administration under so much bullshit - you just wait and see. They are going to do their best to make a failure out of an Obama administration to set up the "Republicans will come in and clean up the mess in 2012" meme. That is going to start two or three days after Obama gets sworn in. You just wait and see the size and magnitude of this "vast rightwing conspiracy" rear it's head...
And yeah, mark my words on this...
- ********0
He's been moderate in policy and temper ever since. His one goal: Pass the Reagan '80 threshold. Be acceptable, be cool, be reassuring.
Part of reassurance is intellectual. Like Palin, he's a rookie, but in his 19 months on the national stage he has achieved fluency in areas in which he has no experience. In the foreign policy debate with McCain, as in his July news conference with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Obama held his own -- fluid, familiar and therefore plausibly presidential.
Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. famously said of Franklin Roosevelt that he had a "second-class intellect, but a first-class temperament." Obama has shown that he is a man of limited experience, questionable convictions, deeply troubling associations (Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko) and an alarming lack of self-definition -- do you really know who he is and what he believes? Nonetheless, he's got both a first-class intellect and a first-class temperament. That will likely be enough to make him president.
- TheBlueOne0
Hahaha...I always appreciate a bit of low key well done internet snark:
- ukit0
http://www.realclearpolitics.com…
Krauthammer's Hail Mary Rule: You get only two per game. John McCain, unfortunately, has already thrown three. The first was his bet on the surge, a deep pass to David Petraeus who miraculously ran it all the way into the end zone.
Then, seeking a game-changer after the Democratic convention, McCain threw blind into the end zone to a waiting Sarah Palin. She caught the ball. Her subsequent fumbles have taken the sheen off of that play, but she nonetheless invaluably solidifies his Republican base.
When the financial crisis hit, McCain went razzle-dazzle again, suspending his campaign and declaring he'd stay away from the first presidential debate until the financial crisis was solved.
He tempted fate one time too many. After climbing up on his high horse, McCain had to climb down. The crisis unresolved, he showed up at the debate regardless, rather abjectly conceding Obama's mocking retort that presidential candidates should be able to do "more than one thing at once." (Although McCain might have pointed out that while he was trying to do two things, Obama was sitting on the sidelines doing one thing only: campaigning.)
You can't blame McCain. In an election in which all the fundamentals are working for the opposition, he feels he has to keep throwing long in order to keep hope alive. Nonetheless, his frenetic improvisation has perversely (for him) framed the rookie challenger favorably as calm, steady and cool.
In the primary campaign, Obama was cool as in hip. Now Obama is cool as in collected. He has the discipline to let slow and steady carry him to victory. He has not at all distinguished himself in this economic crisis -- nor, one might add, in any other during his national career -- but detachment has served him well. He understands that this election, like the election of 1980, demands only one thing of the challenger: Make yourself acceptable. Once Ronald Reagan convinced America that he was not menacing, he won in a landslide. If Obama convinces the electorate he is not too exotic or green or unprepared, he wins as well.
When after the Republican convention Obama's poll numbers momentarily slipped behind McCain's, panicked Democrats urged him to get mad. He did precisely the opposite. He got calm. He repositioned himself as ordinary, becoming the earnest factory-floor, coffee-shop, union-hall candidate.
In doing so, he continues his clever convention-speech pivot from primary to general election. In a crowded primary field in which he was the newcomer and the stranger, he rose above the crowd on pure special effects: dazzling rhetoric, natural charisma and a magic carpet ride of transcendence and hope.
It worked for two reasons: Democrats believe that nonsense, and he was new. But now he needs more than Democrats. And novelty fades.
Obama understood that the magic was wearing off and the audacity of hope wearing thin. Hence the self-denial perfectly personified in his acceptance speech in Denver. He could have had 80,000 people in rapture. Instead, he made himself prosaic, even pedestrian, going right to the general election audience to project himself as one of them.
Ordinariness was the theme. His self-told life story? Common man, hence that brazen introductory biopic that shamelessly skipped from Hawaii grade-schooler to Chicago community organizer with not a word about Columbia and Harvard. His riff on American concerns? All middle-class anxieties. His list of programs? All pitched as his middle-class remedies.
He's been moderate in policy and temper ever since. His one goal: Pass the Reagan '80 threshold. Be acceptable, be cool, be reassuring.
Part of reassurance is intellectual. Like Palin, he's a rookie, but in his 19 months on the national stage he has achieved fluency in areas in which he has no experience. In the foreign policy debate with McCain, as in his July news conference with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Obama held his own -- fluid, familiar, and therefore plausibly presidential.
Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. famously said of Franklin Roosevelt that he had a "second-class intellect, but a first-class temperament." Obama has shown that he is a man of limited experience, questionable convictions, deeply troubling associations (Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko) and an alarming lack of self- definition -- do you really know who he is and what he believes? Nonetheless, he's got both a first-class intellect and a first-class temperament. That will likely be enough to make him president.
- hallelujah0
"Do Republicans and pundits think this is a F*cking Joke? We have well over 4000 US troops dead in a war that was waged on false pretenses...an economy in shambles...people losing their homes...unemployment rates out the roof....people dying because they cannot afford Healthcare...a current administration that has violated the US Constitution, exceeded their powers over and over again...and people are turning a blind eye to a "pitull with lipstick"!! Come on!!
aquarius2001's diary :: ::
Giving shout outs to Third Graders... Not answering questions...Eye winking...Acting like a giggling 15 year old. I was absolutely FLOORED!!No, I wasn't a fan of Sarah Palin before the VP Debate, but as a woman...a citizen of this country, I am absolutely pissed at her performance! This completely unprofessional, unpresidential performance was not only an embarassment, but also a disgrace to every president and vice president who ever held that position! A disgrace to every woman who has fought for the right to be validated on an equal platform as men based on their skills, ideals, principles, and logic...NOT for how cute they can be!!
Today, the pundits are calling this a "Knockout" Performance (well considering how low the bar was set, that's not too hard). Joe Scarborough said: "People can now stop calling her an idiot". Really Joe? Is that with a "wink wink" and a great big "you betcha!" ?
These Republicans claim to "love" this country so much--but it's really their own party that they really love. Which clearly explains why they don't seem to care that Sarah Palin being Vice-President of the United States is as about as ridiculous as "Patrick" (Spongebob) running the Crusty Crab.
So when the 3am phone call rings, and there's been another Hurricane that's devastated an American city, what is she going to do, wink and smile pretty at the storm? click her heels three times and say "Go away bad storm!! I've only been at this for like 5 weeks!""
- barometer of rough™********
- I totally agree! It is an insult!
Bush and Co. HATE America and it's citizens!!!DCDesigns
- barometer of rough™
- joeth0
The issue of global warming is greatly overshadowed right now by the economy and the war, but it is still a major threat. Palin's response to climate change makes no sense at all...
How can PEOPLE solve global warming if PEOPLE aren't causing it????
- please point out what she said that did make sense so I have something to compare it to.TheBlueOne
- Just adding to the list, gosh darn it.joeth
- golly gee doncha knowTheBlueOne
- cnn showed a group of republicans booing when Biden said global warming was caused by man. ?!?cosmik
- redant0
Palin may not have as much experience as Biden and it showed, but when I watched the Obama and McCain debate I saw the same. I noticed Obama talking in more generalities and McCain being very detailed and knowledgeable in his responses
- kona0
off topic: this is such a refreshing internal qbn debate isn't it? would this have happened 4 months ago? hardly.
on topic: at first i was embarrassed for palin. it was obvious she was ducking questions, didn't know answers and was having a hard time keeping up, then the longer the debate went on the angrier and angrier i got. she as snide and seemed full of spite. her non-answers were all a sham and every time she said 'joe, there you go again talking about the past' i wished SENATOR biden (lets not even get into the lack of courtesy from her end here. all night he spoke to her as governor palin, i'm not sure if he ever once said her first name as it would seem unprofessional, and every time she spoke it was "joe" this and "joe" that. awful.) anyways, i wished SENATOR biden would say "that's fine governor palin, lets put my 35 years as senator and your 18 months as governor's past aside and talk about the future..."
- ah but Mc Cain could say the same thing to Obamaredant
- was that a joe 6-pack reference?rafalski
- well she did ask him if she could call him "joe" when they first walked out and he said yes..TheBlueOne
- ..she abused the privilege though for sueTheBlueOne
- i doubt mccain would ever say 'lets stop talking about the past' though because that's all he has.kona
- must have missed that TBO. (cubs game started). but yes, she abused it for sure.kona
- Was that a stab at your old chum, Kona?Nairn
- more at the hedges who'd stir the pot pushing all the right buttons with everyone.kona
- but maybe...kona
- also he dropped the "baby" from drill baby drill. Very deliberate. Good move.danthon
- kona0
also, a page or so ago someone posted a link to all the places you could vote on who won the debate last night. the first 3 or 4 places had biden winning HANDS DOWN... 90% sometimes. then i got to the AOL poll and palin won... hands down and i actually had a great belly laugh over it.
i figured if anyone was stupid enough to still use AOL than it only makes sense to think palin won the debate.
- redant0
I think Palin rocks. I think she is a great speaker, she brings energy and humor and I think she is going to help raise acceptance for women as leaders in this country.
- As long as they don't have to talk to the media.joeth
- LOL joeth! you betcha she brings da humor.kona
- its awesome shes a true americanand proud of itredant
- wow. she's an empty page.DrBombay
- you betcha. she's a true maverick joe-six pack lipstick wearin hockey mom from alaska, which is russia's back door.kona
- She's the Joey Zaza of the corporate GOP machine.Mimio
- America doesn't need a fucking entertainer. WE NEED A LEADER!joeth
- Palin hit the RNC with a mocking, condescending tone that shows she fits in with that Washington crowd a lot better than she cares to admit.blaw
- If not for the fact that I am voting for Sen. Obama, I'd easily be voting against Gov. Palin. She needs to grow up.blaw
- SERIOUSLY?????DCDesigns
- Cut off note #8 was "...she fits in with that Washington crowd a lot better than she cares to admit."blaw
- What if Obama and Palin were running mates on the same side ....MSTRPLN
- I'm sorry, redant, "great speaker"? "True American"? This is how we should look for female leaders to act?blaw
- MSTRPLN, that's a hypothetical not worth the effort. Suffice to say I'd loose respect for Sen. Obama.blaw
- are you pretending to be stupid?hallelujah
- um... Hillary would help raise more women leaders.. Palin can't answer questionsakoni
