jobs ill again?
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- hans_glib0
i guess they'll be fine for a couple of years as the Jobs product line works it's way out. after that... who knows. I guess we'll find out if Jobs was the creative mastermind after all.
- inteliboy0
sounds like you dated him boz.
- abettertomorrow0
If they were smart, they would make Ive the CEO and Cook remain the COO, but have Cook actually act as CEO.
- utopian0
Jonathan "Dieter Rams" Ive is profusely salivating from his mouth with the thought of becoming the next CEO of Apple.
- abettertomorrow0
I'm just saying, who actually comes up with their product ideas? That part was never too clear to me. Saying that it's Jobs alone might be buying into the mythology a little too much.
I'm sure he has a lot of input, but would the iPod/Phone/Pad have looked the same if it was him working with an entirely different team of product designers and creatives?
In fact, as VP, Ive probably gets a little too much credit too. There are probably others besides Jobs, Ive and Cook in fact whose names don't show up in the new, just like at any agency, it's not always the CD who has the actual ideas, they just take credit for them:)
- Boz0
I don't think people realize that only Steve Jobs could give a finger to board of directors and not blink twice while continuing to do his own thing.. I don't see anyone else being in that position but him. And this was maybe one of the most crucial things for Apple.. Steve Jobs just didn't care about anyone else.. he did things the way he wanted.
abettertomorrow.. do you really believe it was for marketing purposes? Ask anyone who works/worked for Apple what Jobs is like.. there's no marketing there.. he is God to everyone there and his word is final.
- tFour0
from wikipedia:
A recent Macworld poll listed Ive joining Apple in 1992 as the sixth most significant event in Apple Inc. history, while MacUser (a subsidiary of Macworld) writer Dan Moren suggested in March 2006 that, when the time comes for Steve Jobs to step down as CEO of Apple Inc., Ive would be an excellent candidate for the position, justifying the statement by saying that he "embodies what Apple is perhaps most famous for: design."
Although I don't think "embodying design" makes you a good CEO, Ive taking the lead together with Tim Cook in some form could work.
- abettertomorrow0
You don't know that though...it could be that Jobs is the irreplaceable center of it all, or he could be playing that up for marketing purposes.
Everyone sees what they want to see, basically
- Boz0
I will just say.. it might not be a bad thing.. I would like to see more open Apple.. maintaining all the beautiful design features and quality of their products but being more consumer friendly and allowing more platforms to work with them..
This is Apple I would fully support.
- Boz0
all you have to see is that Apple's stock fell almost 10% at the news.. And he's still CEO.. what do you think will happen once he's gone permanently (whether it's smelling the roses from below or just leaving Apple completely). Apple is going to be in trouble.
Apple had good people back in early 90s.. But people seem to forget.. investors and board of directors is who has the last word.. and they will bring a CEO who will do business.
No Johnathan Ive, or Cook, or anyone at Apple has the vision for the company. There is only 1 Jobs man.. There is only one person who can look at the whole picture and make tough decisions and follow through and don't give a shit what board of directors says or what anyone says.. Jobs had his picture in head and new how to screw customers out of their money and have them beg for more never feeling used. He had that vision where he has master plan and then he executes in pieces never losing focus of the final goal.
I mean.. there aren't a lot of people like that out there.. That's why they needed him back.. Apple wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Jobs.. and even though he did bring some talented people, but not one of them individually or even when put together can't match Steve Jobs' ruthless, control-like attitude and vision.. He is a master salesmen, a control freak, an arrogant perfectionist, an unbelievable spinner, and a ruthless dictator leader..
No, I don't see anyone replacing him and I don't see Apple continuing to be on top like it is now.. I think it's fair to say that Apple most likely won't go bankrupt but once Jobs leaves, Apple will lose all of it's steam and spotlight it has now. It's really all thanks to him.
- abettertomorrow0
Let's be honest here...when Mr. Jobs passes away Apple will have their best quarter ever, with all the TV specials, memorials and wall to wall coverage. It will be like when Michael Jackson died, only more so.
After that, it's anyone's guess. Because no one has a really good idea how much Steve Jobs actually matters to the company. Tim Cook is credited with a lot of Apple's turnaround with an operations point of view, so I wouldn't guess bureaucracy to be their downfall. Ives comes up with the actual product designs.
The most valuable thing Jobs did for the company, besides provide a public face, was his overall strategy of pursuing a media/entertainment approach instead of trying to compete head to head with Microsoft. In terms of everything else, it kind of remains to be seen.
- Boz0
Jobs croaks.. Apple is dead in the water. Just watch. The whole inflated market capitalization goes ka-boom.
People can think someone else can continue running Apple as successfully as Jobs..but there is only 1, ruthless, selfish, arrogant, control-freak like Jobs.. those people at Apple were scared as shit of him.. there is no one else who can do that..
What will most likely happen is that we will see some bureaucrat come in and bury the company into the ground with complete lack of vision just like they did in early 90s.
- pinkfloyd0
- this guy should just be on the front of every box they sell..autoflavour
- autoflavour0
does steve have a son or something? maybe they can just pull a north korea and the dear leader will become the new dear leader
- autoflavour0
it is a weird thing, I wonder how influential he is over the actual products that they produce.. surely he just sits in his office and people bring all the new toys they work on..
and waves his hand over them and picks the nicest looking.
- CyBrainX0
This Mark Pilgrim is funny. And he's making a relevant point.
- inv0
It might just be that he is putting in very long hours every day, and that cant be good for any cancer survivor / transplant patient. Maybe his family or doctor gave him an ultimatum. Stop working so much or die....
- inv0
He used to have pancreatic cancer, but got well from that. Apparently he had a very rare form of it with a much lower mortality rate.