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- mathinc0
^ I think it would satisfy both sides of the argument if you could find some sort of solve. Let's face it, people aren't going to give up their guns and there's no way to force them to other than raiding every house which will never happen because then it makes even more of a case to those worrying about gov overreach. Some sort of technical solve like you mentioned could be spun to satisfy both camps.
- qTime0
I'm so confused at how people think guns are a good thing.
Every point has been dismissed and yet the Pro Gunners keep on posting.Oh well it must be some kind of mental illness.
- I'm pro gun because the house where I grew up got shot at, my older brother got robbed at gun point inside his home with his two kids locked in a room not everyone lives in a paradiseGeorgesII
- with his two kids locked in a room not everyone lives in paradise,GeorgesII
- Someone shot your house?********
- yep, and the so calls rebels took the hotel right in front, my 60yo mother had to walk 8 miles to escape the combat zoneGeorgesII
- OK George, now I see you don't live in the US. This makes more sense now.mg33
- I have this sensation, the antigun crowd are like the tough guy talking shit at the bar, but that never got punched in the mouth,GeorgesII
- and it scares me the amount of people who don't even realize criminal, rebels, governement don't give a shit about themGeorgesII
- So what your saying here George is that you have a sensation and your house was shot?********
- NO, what I'm saying is that once you can't defend yourself, you're a stupid pawn sitting thereGeorgesII
- maybe a gun prohibition would help not getting shot at???hotroddy
- BECAUSE CRIMINALS RESPECT THE LAW,
STOP LIVING IN LALALAND FFSGeorgesII - < easier said than donemathinc
- G, do you think that if your brother had a gun it would have been a safer situation for his children, and him?********
- what did your house ever do to that guy?pango
- mathinc0
^ I do not think people who don't see the risks of owning guns are mentally ill any more than people who drink or smoke are mentally ill. We all know that there are possible negative outcomes involved with gun ownership, it's just hard to imagine that it would happen to you. Anti-gun people have a hard time seeing a situation of ever needing a gun. Two sides of the same coin.
It's a real shame what's been happening with gun violence. It's also a shame that an adult conversation about gun ownership seems out of reach for most people.
- Morning_star0
^ It's not the same as a different side of the same coin. It's not like smoking or mental illness. It's about the only purpose of a gun is to harm or kill efficiently and easily at a distance.
I wonder how many people would have been killed if the recent mass shooters only had access to knives.- The mentality of seeing possible negative outcomes is what I'm referring to as the same coin.mathinc
- ukit20
If guns are required for safety, then do you think societies like Japan that have ultra strict gun control would be safer if they allowed more gun ownership? Obviously culture and society play a role, I would probably want to own a gun myself in some part of the world. But if you look at where these shootings are happening in America, it's not like people need to protect themselves from marauding criminal gangs or anything.
- comparing Japan to the us is like comparing a genius to a retardmoldero
- nb0
Hey! It's great that NO ONE ANYWHERE IS SUGGESTING ELIMINATING GUNS OR THE RIGHT TO OWN THEM.
Sorry for the all caps. I'm sooooo tired of this argument (Georges, above) that "We can't have gun control because I need to protect myself because criminals have guns."
Yes. You are right. Having a gun will allow you to shoot someone who is coming at you. Great. If that's what you want, then go ahead and buy a gun.
What gun control advocates want is NOT ELIMINATION OF GUNS. We're asking to limit access to high-powered assault rifles and those ridiculous types of guns. And we're trying to make sure mentally ill people can't get their hands on them.
No one is taking your 9mm or .22 or hunting rifles or whatever. Shut the fuck up.
- ZOOP0
They didn't need guns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwa…
"Even after the 1993 peace agreement signed in Arusha, businessmen close to General Habyarimana imported 581,000 machetes from China for Hutu use in killing Tutsi, because machetes were obviously cheaper than guns."
Outlaw everything sharp, maybe just pillows... wait those are murder weapons too. It's the intent that is so deadly, no matter what the means.
- Do you think if guns were outlawed in the US there would be regular mass killings, with machetes?********
- Addressing the violence in society by outlawing weapons is fear mongeringZOOP
- No.. seeing a necessity for guns is fear mongering.bogue
- http://en.wikipedia.…ZOOP
- We're not alone, and it's not so much about guns as it is violent intentions.ZOOP
- So what you are saying is the US is up there with Rwanda and China in terms of civility?********
- Do you think if guns were outlawed in the US there would be regular mass killings, with machetes?
- monospaced0
To all of you who say you own guns for protection (self, family, home, etc.). Where the fuck do you keep your guns?
Do you keep your gun loaded in arms reach with the safety off, or do you keep it locked in a drawer, safety on with the bullets removed? Something in-between? When you're in public (at a mall, your kid's school, at the movies) do you carry your gun? Is it visible and loaded?
I am still trying to wrap my mind around these gun supporters and their "protection" reasons for owning guns. They're only useful if you're ready to fire them at the right moment, so I'm curious as to how accessible your firearms are for when your life is threatened.
- monospaced0
The NRA says that the majority of gun owners are responsible and keep their guns locked away, as should most people. But what good is that when your home is invaded? What good is your gun cache when you're being shot at by a psycho at the movies? The logic still fails me.
- "what good is that when your home is invaded?" their guns are locked at home, not in a bankmoldero
- "What good is your gun cache when you're being shot at by a psycho at the movies?" its notmoldero
- So they have to unlock a safe and get a gun. Sounds really useful when your kids are already dead.monospaced
- "Hang on a minute there fella, let me go to the 'toilet' before you pull that trigger".orrinward2
- mg330
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Mono - if that's true, it just goes to show that they're going after the wrong people. They need to go after criminals and people who are going to commit a crime with a gun. Give them 30 years no parole if a gun is used in any type of crime. Give them life without parole or assisted suicide if they murder someone with a gun. Gun laws as applied to usage in crime are total crap in a lot of cities. Especially in Chicago/Cook County, it's disgusting how many people get out of prison early who are violent offenders. THOSE PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM.- Give them 5 years no parole if in possession of an unregistered gun. THAT is how gun crime will go down.mg33
- They = NRA? I think taking away guns from bad people is a good idea, yeah.monospaced
- I mean "they" = US Government.mg33
- Lately the role of the NRA seems so much more relevant to me. They want guns out of criminals' hands just as much as anyone.mg33
- as anyone.mg33
- Good plan, you guys could definitely do with more more of your population locked up as prisoners.********
- he didn't say more locked up, he said those who parole shouldn't have guns. Read.monospaced
- No, I'm saying punishment for criminal gun possession should actually work.mg33
- mg330
Also - I met a detective in a bar once and had an awesome conversation with him over some beers. He works in the south side of Chicago, lots of gang infested, poverty infested high crime areas. He said that just about any cop can drive down the street and know instantly whether someone has a gun or not, just by their demeanor or where they're standing.
But can they approach that person under that assumption? Absolutely not. Civil suits all day long forever if they even did that once.
- did he also told you that chicago gun law is one of the hardest in the US, yet the crime is pretty fuckn high?GeorgesII
- ZOOP0
How about this? 43% more murders in Mexico as compared to the U.S., with roughly a third the population. Firearms are the weapon of choice in both countries of course, but the desire to kill is the primary issue. The same people who shouldn't have firearms are the ones who need to be recognized as potential threats. We have over 30,000 gun laws as it stands now, but not as much concern is directed toward metal health. We might have to give up certain freedoms, like the freedom to go about with undiagnosed mental illness. You want your shooting of the day just go to Blog Del Narco.
- Metal health will drive you mad. Bang your head.locustsloth
- Mexico also has a corrupt goverment and a police force that works outside its own laws, much like a mafia.monospaced
- You can't even compare it.monospaced
- So China, Rwanda, Mexico, USA ... Freedoms! You are more brainwashed than a North Korean.********
- ...and where do those guns come from?? The U.S.monkeyshine
- instrmntl0
Ban guns and commence buy back programs. Use the same Australian rules for gun ownership. Pretty simple. It's a shame that most politicians however don't work for the people they serve, and instead the lobbyists. Getting anything to pass is near impossible, as politicians are dependent upon donations.
- monospaced0
Seriously (my questions 5-6 posts up), do you gun owners carry guns or what?
- Ramanisky20
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news…
A communication professor known for conspiracy theories has stirred controversy at Florida Atlantic University with claims that last month's Newtown, Conn., school shootings did not happen as reported — or may not have happened at all.
- < Crazy nut-job deserves no attention. Next story, please.nb
- waterhouse0
If I hear one more person sarcastically suggest a ban on hammers, bats, tire irons (what have you), I will put them in their place. I am growing too tired of this smug pro-gun witticism that's couched in an utterly false equivalency.
- seriouslymonospaced
- "I will put them in their place"
on the internet? good luck with thatmoldero - Yeah, good luck. Most idiots are firmly set in their ways.mg33
- "starting another endless argument with them" is more like itmoldero
- GeorgesII0
kaboom, but stats and numbers are only for elitist conspiracy nuts
- So he complains about cherry picking stats...and then does the same thingukit2
- BTW, want to talk conspiracy, who is this guy? Seems very professionally produced for a random YouTube upload.ukit2
- ukit can you tell me why ban guns when the guns are the least of your problem, obesity kills lots more people, why not fight thatGeorgesII
- It's incredible how biased this whole debate have become, from both side, just like global warming,GeorgesII
- Why try to solve one problem when there are other problems? The question kind of answers itself.ukit2
- He just glossed over the murder rate, like it was nothing.chossy
- ukit20
OK, so not every place with gun control laws is violence free. But many (like Japan) are.
Turn the question around, can you point to anywhere that has less gun laws and heavy gun ownership, and almost no violence? I don't think it exists.
In other words gun control does help, but it can't solve the problem entirely. Areas of high poverty in the U.S. have the most violence regardless of gun control. Should be obvious but I don't hear it discussed much. A country that lets its cities go to shit and urban populations with massively high unemployment will have crime and violence.
- why do you keep pointing japan as an example, the japanese society has hude social problem with youth and suicide, it's not a paradiseGeorgesII
- paradise, far from itGeorgesII
- Because it proves the violence problem can be solved under the right circumstancesukit2
- Now show me example of it being solved in a country with no gun laws. Doesn't exist.ukit2
- Can you say, NO Industrial military complex? can you say NO prison growth industry. in the US the 2 merged.yurimon
- High Crime = Business
yurimon - That leads to high incarceration levels, but is not the cause of violenceukit2
- The number of people in prison has more to do with non violent crime i.e. drugsukit2