Shooting of the Day
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- mg330
I've seen some people on a site calling him a product of the Obama generation: totally entitled to everything.
That's bullshit. This guys fucked up view on the world has nothing to do with who's president. It has far more to do with the thing I think about constantly, and that's the absolute scourge that reality tv, social media, and pop culture has become on today's youth. I'm not generalizing about all of them, but vast numbers of youth have nothing to live for that's positive. Instead they are bombarded with programs about total idiots being rewarded with money and fame for having no discernible talent AT ALL. Idiots like those on Jersey Shore, everything on MTV, Paris Hilton's show, Rich Kids of Beverly Hills, etc. Mindless, moronic shows where horrible behavior and total lack of morals are praised and rewarded. THAT is what kids have to look up to. It makes me sick. It creates the sense that kids feel entitled to the same, because they act out the same behaviors, they begin to believe they deserve everything with no hard work to earn anything.
It's so fucked up. I know there are good kids out there. Good level headed, intelligent kids that have has good parenting and been giving morals and know the difference between right and wrong. But damn, I have so little hope for so many kids today, that are going to be too ignorant to get an education, and too unemployable to achieve anything in life.
One of the deceased kid's fathers immediatly lashed out at the NRA and politicians. That is so not the problem! Nobody pays any attention to the insane amount of negative stimuli available to kids thanks to the Internet, reality shows, etc. Then they act like a gun had a mind of it's own and walked down the street firing at will and commuting a tragic act. Absolutely ridiculous.
- spot on_niko
- Not really. The guy was just mentally ill. Aspergers with Narcissist Personality Disorder. Probably on a cocktail of meds and with access to weapons the general public should not have access to.********
- and with access to weapons the general public should not have access to... ka-boom. It will keep happening.********
- formed0
There are many parts to the problem - video games, parents lack of interest, mental stability and access to weapons. All part of the problem. Nothing will get done until there is some accountability and acceptance that ALL of these play a part.
No one can make a reasonable argument that playing first person shooters doesn't desensitize someone to being a "first person shooter". It's practice and roll playing that can blur into reality.
Movies are another facet. The violence, particularly the more heinous movies, further desensitizes society and confuses the youth.
Facebook and others censor nipples, but allow beheadings of women (full videos). That's sending a pretty clear message. America's polarized beliefs and extremists don't help matters.
Guns. They are accessible, therefore they will be used. Period. There simply cannot be a logical argument against that. They serve no purpose but to kill humans (.1% for hunting) and they are very efficient at doing it. Making it a video game for someone that has snapped (no need for a history of mental illness, just a series of bad life events).
Media doesn't help, either, with all the sensationalizing going on. Anyone that thinks about suicide is going to think "shit, I guess I could take my boss out, the girl that dumped me, the bullies..". If you are going to die, you have no fear of repercussions. Guns make it nice and easy to accomplish this with little effort.
There is no one solution, nor one problem. It is a series of issues that must be looked at and discussed, but as long as we have such polarizing extremes and this obsession with "right to own guns", we'll never get anywhere, it will just continue to get worse as the population increases.
- sea_sea0
He was clearly mentally ill and had horrible social skills. That is one of the reasons why no one wanted anything to do with him. Sounds like he had a shitty attitude over all.
I've worked with people with mental illness, from the autism spectrum to be exact and he fits the profile perfectly. They're saying he had "High functioning Aspergers", whatever, his autism is seen coming through as he portrays this world dominating character and yes, most likely influenced by internet and tv. He was not a normal functioning person. What is sad, is that he was clearly emotionally damaged and instead of focusing on how to manage guns, something should be done to better manage or help recognize mental instability in a person. Unfortunately he was old enough to make decisions in regards to his treatments, so probably wasn't on meds and felt like he had it all under control.
Oh yea and we can thank Ronald Reagan for putting all our mental patients in the street and taking away programs that would probably help them and the population in general. Asshat.
- BusterBoy0
The guy was clearly delusional and living in his own deluded, solitary world. The fact he was also able to access a firearm is disturbing.
So tired of the 'guns are not the problem' argument. Forgotten is the fact that in most countries where firearms are difficult to come by, you need to commit a crime just to obtain a gun, and as weird as that sounds, many just aren't willing or equipped to do that.
Of course it doesn't stop all those that have a single minded determination to get a gun and kill people, but it stops a lot.
Thank fuck I can send my kids to school here and not fear they're going to be killed by some out of control kid with a gun.
- mate don't even try. There's some deep level shit going on in 'muricas pysche when it comes to guns.inteliboy
- Population of history's most warmongering nation is obsessed with killing machines ... not a huge surprise.********
- inteliboy0
Sorry, but I tune out when people blame acts of violence on video games and movies. Fucking scapegoat mentality. Rock'n'roll is the devil you see!
He had a mental illness. One that was obviously under-managed. And had easy access to guns. The end.
- I blame his easy access to bmws for allowing him to get to point bGeorgesIV
- BMW's aren't made with the specific purpose of killing in mind.********
- ukit20
I'm not sure why people are so afraid to say they just don't know what caused something like this. Obviously like intelliboy said he was mentally unstable and that was a significant factor, but if you try to analyze any deeper than that, none of us really know the guy's life or where his problems originated from.
I'm sure there will be dozens of news stories talking about how this reflects our social media culture, attitudes towards women, our violent media, etc...but they will all be projections of the writer's views onto a situation they barely understand.
- GeorgesIV0
When people don't have access to gun, they use the next thing on the list: knifes, it's wishful thinking to think that by making it harder to get access to gun, all gangsters/killers/socio/psychopa... will magically stop killing people
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/…
abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wo…
- or hammers, or gasoline, or forks, cars, stones..
we are truly gifted in finding ways to kill othersGeorgesIV - A cure for psychos? I didn't know this was reason people were for gun control. Why am I always the last one to get the memo?********
- ... the last one to get the memo.********
- Georges, you are so stupid on this point it hurts.********
- why am I stupid, care to point how banning guns will make them illegal for criminals or stop us from killing ouselves..
???GeorgesIV - @orazal, I think people are for gun control because they imagine it will stop crime when it fact crime have been decreasing for a long time nowGeorgesIV
- for a long time now http://en.wikipedia.…, so what is it about then?? hmm control, it is about controlGeorgesIV
- huh? what is wrong with gun control? it should be hard to fucking buy guns. it's so obvious.inteliboy
- you can buy guns in walmart ffs.inteliboy
- hey, guise, not to turn it to another G against the hordes, I don't care about gun control, do what you want, I just stated with source that banning guns doesn't make crimes disappear and also that crime is actually decreasing, Do what thou wiltGeorgesIV
- source that banning guns doesn't make crimes disappear and also that crime is actually decreasing, Do what thou wiltGeorgesIV
- I don't mean you are stupid, but on this point we disagree.********
- and how bad would those have been with guns instead of knives? 150 instead of 28 dead?hereswhatidid
- naw, you need to protect your right to own a 30 round clip for your semi-auto hand gun. self defense and allhereswhatidid
- how many people have been killed by a knife from 20-30 feet away?hereswhatidid
- Yeah, def no mass killings with knives unless the victims don't have legs.fyoucher1
- or hammers, or gasoline, or forks, cars, stones..
- ApeRobot0
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- autoflavour0
Aspergers ..
- And probably narcissistic personality disorder.********
- I know 2 people with Aspergers...neither have murdered anyone.monkeyshine
- ...though they have hurt my feelings with their bluntness.monkeyshine
- .Aspergers doesn't assume violent behaviour. You're a twit.colab
- And probably narcissistic personality disorder.
- futuremongolian0
He had a mental illness that would intensely reinforced by the communities he gravitated towards on the internet.
- formed0
Sorry, I do think video games play a part. Kids sitting around all day shooting people, realistically, not socializing, not interacting with other humans. That's a problem, one way or another.
Introduce someone that is socially awkward to start with or has some imbalance and it will just compound - isolating someone from the real world is not a good thing, long term. Isolating them and giving them "people" to shoot is even worse.
I fail to see how someone can argue that has no impact on society.Obviously that is a small piece, but a piece nonetheless.
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- ernexbcn0
GeorgesIV a person with a knife can be dealt with by the people being attacked, a person with automatic weapons not so much.
That this kid had access to weapons and ammo surely helped raise the amount of victims, denying that is, well, I leave that to your imagination.
- and don't give me "people should be armed to deal with these guys" excuse which is even more stupidernexbcn
- ukit20
^ And at some point the argument kind of breaks down.
"Why ban rocket propelled grenades, he will just use a knife instead."
- mg330
Only when all the guns in America have been confiscated and melted down for scrap will gun use in crimes decrease significantly. And even then someone who wants one will still find one.
- more than 500 innocent Americans die from cops a year.yurimon
- Take your cultural Marxism and shove it...yurimon
- we'll just 3d print themscarabin
- yurimon,I'm not advocating for guns to be confiscated. I'm just saying that's what it would take.mg33
- guns shouldn't be easy to get. but it's way too easy to get a gun in murika.pango
- I'm one of the odd liberals who is pro gun, and think that the government is unfairly going after legal gun owners when the realmg33
- problem are criminals with illegal guns who get slaps on the wrist for using them.mg33
- and I'm not even a gun owner!mg33
- There are enough guns in U.S. already for every man woman and child in the countryukit2
- It makes me laugh that people think their guns are in any danger of being taken awayukit2
- freedom was ment for a responsible sane moral society so thanks alot people..yurimon
- pango0
"Why ban rocket propelled grenades, he will just use a knife instead"
This just happened recently too. Fortunately it was only 2 knifes. more than 4 people would have been dead if the killer had a gun at a closed off area.
The killer had isolation problem too.
people need to get paid. for the sake of other people's safety...
- formed0
I am a gun owner and would happily hand my gun over if there was a buy back effort (which has successfully worked elsewhere). It will never happen, of course, we'll have a civil war to keep "our" guns first.
"Criminals" generally do not go on killing sprees. Occasionally there will be a gang related innocent killed, maybe a car jacking or robbery gone wrong, but that's it. "Criminals" want something, killing someone makes it harder to "get".
So let's forget about defending ourselves against "criminals", as there statistically nothing we can do by ourselves (more people killed in gun households by accident than any "criminals" killing).
Take that away and what do you have...ah, right, big brother. I don't care how many AR-15's you have, it ain't going to do any good against big brother. If anything, you'll be the first to be taken down.
So where's the logic? It is simply an obsession with perceived "power" and a desire to shoot things. Probably could call it an innate desire given the history here.
My fear is more and more "heros" will carry, thinking there is another massacre waiting to happen every second of the day. Dangerous. Eventually there will be stories of legal gun owners shooting innocent people, thinking they were terrorists.
When that happens, I'll be carrying just to shoot the next idiot that starts shooting at someone else.
Printed guns...wow...how someone could promote this and feel no accountability to what will, inevitably, happen. Better get those X-Ray machines going again real soon.
- ukit20
Yeah I don't understand this attitude that guns are the only thing standing between us and tyranny. First of all if you really believe that what are you waiting for, shouldn't you be out on the streets starting a revolution or something. But just hypothetically imagine there was some kind of uprising. If it was a small breakaway militia group, it wouldn't matter how many guns they stockpiled, they would get crushed by the government like a fly. One the other hand, if you had an actual mass movement with majority popular support, you wouldn't even need guns. It would be like in Egypt where millions of people march on the capital and they just give in.
But realistically the country isn't even close to that point. The whole thing is a paranoid fantasy invented by the NRA and similar groups to, guess what, sell more guns. And it works apparently. The flipside of this is that there are already so many guns in this country that gun control would basically be futile, it would be like trying to ban TVs or cellphones. Even if you banned every future gun sale, you would still be left with enough existing guns to fight multiple civil wars and revolutions for the next few centuries.
- cause you dont understand history. not saying everyone arguing the gun tyranny has a point but yeah!yurimon
- some examples, please, yuri.hereswhatidid
- u2 - exactly, it is a fantasy and one hell of a successful marketing strategy....formed
- probably even better than the "trickle down effect"formed
