Shooting of the Day
Shooting of the Day
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- detritus1
- TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNATURES: 18********
- because it's only very, very recently been uploaded.detritus
- In the internet everything is slower.********
- you're pretty slowFax_Benson
- signed, i would rather curtail the first amendment than the second considering that this plan actually has evidence of being effective and makes logical sense********
- as opposed to passing laws that have no evidence of being effective out of some politically motivated desperation to appease the hysterical********
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Just stop giving them attention.- How about we stop giving them guns. They're not killing people with attention.d0mino
- How about you pay more attention.********
- What. No seriously, stop giving them guns. That's how the people are getting bullets in them. They're not putting bullets in people with attention.d0mino
- Don't get me wrong, attention is certainly part of the problem, but it would be a non issue if they didn't have the means for mass murder in the first place.d0mino
- OK********
- you're right domino, but it just isn't realistic. there are more guns than people here. if you want one, you will find a way to get one. it's just too easy and********
- no amount of laws and legislature can do much to change that. other avenues must be sought to combat the problem and this avenue makes too much sense to ignore********
- Sorry. Too hard isn't an adequate reason not to do the 'right' thing.d0mino
- Talking down from your high horse is ever so convenient isn't it. Why don't you worry about your own country instead of advocating for a second American civil w********
- war. Total disarmament may have worked in your nation of criminals but over here that simply isn't going to happen********
- Redact that comment about Australia being a nation of convicts, no matter how true I am sure there are plenty of decent folks over there. The point being that w********
- What works for you lot doesn't work for us so stop with your presumptuous bullshit. You don't have the answers********
- Sorry. You can't say it doesn't work if you haven't tried it. Also, we're quite proud of our convict heritage. Started from the bottom now we're here, etc.d0mino
- Yes l, good for you. But the while can't knock it untill you have tried it stance is a typical logical falacy and holds zero weight. Have you ever sucked a dick********
- Well don't say it isn't for you unless you have tried it and weren't happy. Typical pc, lemming logic. Some of us have a little bit of conviction and know what********
- We do and do not stand for********
- Your homophobia is showing. I might suck dick, so what? I might share a water cooler with a black man, too. Does that scare you? So glad your armed...d0mino
- homophobia lol ok, it's called an analogy. i didn't imply that it was a bad thing to suck dick, the implication is that you don't have to suck a dick to know wh********
- whether or not you like dicks in your mouth, but according to you, you can't knock anything until you have tried it. do you see now how silly your logic is********
- _niko2
what does the pro-gun camp think would happen if there was a total ban on guns in the US?
anarchy? gangs of armed blacks and latinos taking over? Obama and the government enslaving the people?
bears running amok?
fear that they would lose out on the billions per year in weapons manufacturing?
fear that the health care system would lose out on billions per year in treating an idiot population that loves to shoot each other?
fear that the judicial system would lose billions of dollars a year trying, convicting and jailing gun crime perpetrators?
fucking bears???
- It's pretty simple, America would dissapear. If you take the guns away you are taking people's freedom. America withouth freedom is not America.********
- The problem would be in finding another name for this freedomless land since America will have dissapeared.********
- If freedom means 'the highest incarceration rate in the world' then yes, America is free.moldero
- also murder rate, so I guess freedom from this life is still freedom?_niko
- You should be willing to give up your life for freedom.********
- as long as u have people killing people there will be a demand for guns. Than only the people who want to use them to kill will have them.********
- Precisely********
- ^@deathboy********
- If someone really wanted to kill someone, they could, with a knife, or a bat.iCanHazQBN
- The point is, eliminating guns makes it HARDER for killers to kill. It makes it less efficient. It gives the victim time to escape, and if he or she doesn'tiCanHazQBN
- escape, the wounds from a stabbing or bat are more survivable.iCanHazQBN
- We agree that there will always be killers. Of course. So then why do we allow them this tool (a gun) that lets them kill more efficiently???iCanHazQBN
- If guns were illegal they'd cost a fortune. The common criminal wouldn't want one, access to them would be difficult,iCanHazQBN
- And the possible punishment for having one wouldn't be worth it to be caught with one.iCanHazQBN
- They'd just carry around a knife. And we'd all rather get stabbed by a thieving thug, than shot by one.iCanHazQBN
- Your assumptions disregard the basic principles of economics, demand vs supply is what determines price, supply goes down, demand goes up. If you artificially d********
- Decrease the supply, the price goes up but also the demand skyrockets. Every time gun control comes in vougue gun sales take off. You anti gun foamers are tools********
- Considering that there are more guns than people here it is safe to assume market saturation has been reached, artificially decreasing the supply, or even thre********
- Threatening to do so is a smart business move. You foamers are just cogs in the machine the same as the rest and don't even know it. If you want to actually do********
- Something about it (which of course you don't) then organize and use your voice. Otherwise be a european troll on the internet who has no stake in the matter********
- *than********
- It's pretty simple, America would dissapear. If you take the guns away you are taking people's freedom. America withouth freedom is not America.
- lowimpakt2
The shareholders in the arms industry sure love freedom.
- HAYZ1LLLA10
It's true there will be many jobs lost in the Gun industry if there were a ban.
Also think of all the doctors and nurses without work to do due to a lack of casualties. Not to mention all the funeral directors that would go out of business. It would even hit Hallmark quite badly. No more sales of "Sorry your 2yrold shot her own face off" cards.
Bulletproof Vests 'R' Us would also struggle.- lollowimpakt
- You scumbags are so tiresome. Why must you people make a joke out of tragedy********
- the real joke is the pro-gun lobby and their nonsensical arguments, fallacious inferences and general doucebaggerylowimpakt
- gilgamush, your views, along with other pro-gunners are the cause of these tragedies. So stfu, pretending like you give a shit.. when you really don't.iCanHazQBN
- they are no better or worse than people on the other extreme like this hayzilla, spewing morally bankrupt rhetoric and blathering nonsense********
- and you icanhaz, you are such a piece of shit it is unbelievable, words can not express my revulsion at your perverse and hateful slurs********
- dudes, chillmonospaced
- Anti self defense = pro murdererHayoth
- I get your point but there is no need to stoop to the level of hyperbolous nonsence. It:s more like anti self defence = relinquishing personal responsibility t********
- To keep your family safe. And it applies to Americans not nececellery to people in other countries. I realize that a voice of reason can't compete with idiots s********
- Shouting platitudes********
- *relinquishing the personal responsibility********
- I'm not pro gun. i dont like guns. I'm pro rights.yurimon
- Stop using this tragedy to justify your fetish with guns! it's too soon!pango
- What's that niko/pango, not hiding behind your proxy name I see. You sure love to play at being contradictory, it's a shame you are a simple minded guy, you mig********
- Might actually have something constructive to say if you weren't so busy trying to pretend to be clever********
- lol ummm no. pango is my earliest account. you're just shooting blind right now. Unlike other i only use this account.pango
- I assure you i hide way less than you. people know what i look like. somebody here has my email and even address.pango
- so in comparison between you and me. You are the one hiding. There for your argument is invalid ¯\_(ツ)_/¯pango
- now calm the fuck down and quit snapping at everybody. yes i mean everybody. There are more than just 5 people here. really.pango
- now back to what i was saying. i was demonstrating that you saying people shouldn't make joke because its a tragedy.pango
- the same thing could be easily said towards the pro gun side. it's the equivalent of saying "SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!"pango
- now quite whine like a little girl or boy (no really at this point we don't know if you are a guy or a girl). and have a polite and sensible discussion.pango
- & for the record. There's nothing wrong being a grl. Just in case if you really r. I dont want to sound sexist :/
My FB page would get flooded by angry mob.pango - You and niko are equally stupid so it stands to reason that you are probably the same person. It is a rare occasion that I interact with somebody so soft in th.********
- who's calling the stupid. you stupid. lol
here we go...pango - the brain so the assumption is only natural. Read a book or something little guy, smarten up, all you have ever said on here is dimwit blather, if you try harde********
- Ya i rarely interact with someone who's so dense. who never understand perspective.
not taking my advise i guess. going off topic and name calling.pango - it will never end :/pango
- harder I am sure you can do better, at least, I would like to think so********
- Pango son, you are a soft little dude, you have zero advice to offer me. I am your better in every way, fall back********
- you should travel more, tough guy. meet more people. see thing from another perspective. stop being so dense. and narrow.
sincerely.pango - Presumptuous troll is presumptuous********
- this advise? "have a polite and sensible discussion" and "calm the fuck down and quit snapping at everybody"pango
- really you should.pango
- angry tough guy is... well... just angry.pango
- And pango, judging by how often you feel the need to assert how much you do in fact find the female gender attractive, I am going to assume that you are either********
- you can assume all you want. :Ppango
- deep in the closet or are a pathetic loner. Either way, you ought to look up to me and take notes. First lesson pango, stop looking in the damn mirror so much,********
- Your died blonde hair is a red flag that you are a narcicist and incapable of meaningfull human interaction. Women find that kind of self absorption repulsive********
- Second lesson, start reading books, you are a stupid fuck and it will take a lot of hard work to change that, make it happen. Third lesson, keep your mouth shut********
- On matters that don't concern you, seems like a pretty obvious notion but you and your kind just lerv to jp in with some uninformed drivel, lay off that shit ki********
- * to jump in********
- you should take your own advise and keep your mouth shut.
ha no thanks. I don't want to be a narrow minded, angry person. who has a fetish for gun as if youpango - are trying to compensate for something.
my social life is just fine thanks you. however i worry about your seeing that you are so judgemental. i bet mostpango - * lay off that shit kid********
- people find you repulsive and annoying. and rolls their eye every time you start talking.pango
- speaking of narcicist. "you ought to look up to me and take notes" HAHAAHAHAHAHApango
- You lay off that shit son. I told you. trash talking leads no where.pango
- You should look into the mirror more. Cuz it seem like you are everything you disapprove of.pango
- I would like to believe you, nut based on your actions here I am left with no other stance than to believe that you are a soft little dude and that you are inde********
- Indeed inferior to me in every way that I have seen demonstrated thus far. Proove me wrong, say something that isn't stupid as shit********
- Lolcano, sorry you bully you pango, you are far too unintelligent to be the troll you aspire to be, you should really fall back with that or be clowned on unmer********
- * sorry to bully you. Really though pango, know your role********
- no thanks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ why the hell do i need your approval? man you are really a narcicist. you kept calling people soft and kept trying to be a tough guy.pango
- major insecurity problem.pango
- you kept telling me to fall back. why? you out of breath? i know exactly your problem is. you have this tough guy image you forced on your self that you justpango
- have to be the last guy talking.pango
- too bad i have the same problem :D This will never end. except the tough guy part. i'm completely fine with my self unlike you.pango
- hello.......?
http://azo.akerink.n…pango - i'm sorry if i hurt your feeling :( i guess i underestimated how easily tough guy's feeling breaks :(pango
- friend?
http://www.glitters1…pango - please don't go :( ....
https://31.media.tum…pango - pango, guy, you are a special kind of stupid, thats why i like you. don't ever try to get too clever though, this is't a topic to joke about. sorry that i spoke********
- harshly to you though. you are so basic that you know not what you do. it's impossible to stay mad at you********
- Ya. i like you too cuz you try so hard to sound like you're smart. but always fail and resort to name calling and trash talk. it's really stupid but i'd stillpango
- give you an A for trying.pango
- and i also feel bad for you man. seeing as if you are socially challenged. it's always you against everyone else.pango
- Jeez guys. Get a thread!HAYZ1LLLA
- it's not even heated discussion. it always just end up trash talking with everyone. Really need to get that checked man. i'm worried.pango
- fuck off hayz1lla!
we are dealing with some emotional crisis here! http://www.technolog…pango - i just read what you said kid and it was such blather that i have already forgotten, you are really dull pango, wish you would smarten up********
- And I wish you see a doctor soon. To check that narcissistic, anger, and socially challange problem you have. Best wishes.pango
- And insecurity. Ya don't forget that one.pango
- Hugs?pango
- it's great that you can repeat back to me what i have said, it means you really were listening, next step, you come up with an original though. you an do it lit********
- little buddy. show me what you've got********
- gilgamush, engaging in pango is like trying to debate a 9 year old baby. most of the other frequent posters.yurimon
- scary part most of these people with egos that say they are rational but are really in reacting to media driven tunnel vision. all the violence in chicagoyurimon
- happening all this time. no mention. all the people dieing from med industry, all people dieing in war. also scary these people are labeled as adults legaly.yurimon
- ********-1
What passes for thinking about the prevention of gun violence is not thinking at all. Thinking (as problem-solving) is a search for means that can be reasonably expected to achieve a given end. By reasonably I mean that supporting arguments can be provided to demonstrate to the satisfaction of reasonable people the connection between the means and ends. What we get from gun-control advocates is nothing like that; instead they operate on the magical belief that uttering certain words—codifying just the right incantation—will accomplish the end.
- Retarded. ..."Leaving aside the recent mass murderers who passed background checks" Cherry picking pricks.Morning_star
- haha. thats what u take from it? how bout the point of people blindly saying more restrictions without seeing the end game?********
- and its cherry picking but its true. checks didn't stop those ones. Which goes back to the point of well than what. Is there a real plan?********
- Australia. 1996.Morning_star
- Thats pretty broad and proves the article correct. Hell didn't obama lip service that.********
- The article argues that all the anti-gun lobby have are dreams and impracticle ideas. That is just not true. Australias gun policy was/is successful.Morning_star
- lowimpakt0
was just reading this article about how the US FDA banned a load of french cheese even though they are harmless
http://www.medicaldaily.com/fda-…
just sayin'
- Should have name it freedom cheese. Then people would start protesting the ban.pango
- reanimate0
- you know this is complete bullshit, right? I hope.futuremongolian
- wake up goatple!moldero
- ********-3
http://www.nomorefameformassmurd…
bump this, and keep bumping it until the message is heard
- also a big part of it, nobody's arguing that_niko
- "To gain personal notoriety??" LOL. They end up killing themselves anyway.iCanHazQBN
- Let's just allow people to keep shooting each other and not cover it on TV... because it really hurts the look of NRA and gun owners.iCanHazQBN
- Yup, let's keep all this stuff in the closet. Nobody needs to know about it. We need to sell more guns!!!!!!1iCanHazQBN
- very few people are arguing at all, mostly just you twits blathering about why guns ought to be banned full well knowing it will never happen********
- I love how pro-gun people will try place the blame on everything else before even considering guns. Now it's "notoriety". Yeah.. ok... riiiiight.iCanHazQBN
- It will never happen? All it needs is a majority of people.. who elect anti-gun candidates... who vote as a majority to do something about it.iCanHazQBN
- Lots of people throughout history said "this and that will never happen". Could you imagine 100 years ago someone saying a black guy would be president?iCanHazQBN
- ...shortsighted people said "that'll never ever happen".iCanHazQBN
- yeah nice argument, "I'm pro gun because banning them will never happen". lol_niko
- ☆add to feed********
- It will never happen, this country has unanimously voted for the right to bear arms over and over again. Your radical veiws represent a very small minority********
- and no one is suggesting that these incidents not be reported. the idea is that the perpetrator not have his life story, face and name plastered all over the pl********
- place********
- you know that though, you are just a hateful little instigator********
- If someone has gotten to the point in their mind that they want to kill a bunch of people, they're not going to be deterred because their face may oriCanHazQBN
- may not show up on TV.iCanHazQBN
- And good luck getting every media outlet to agree on this.iCanHazQBN
- This petition is just something else to try to divert people's attention from the obvious problem. Just passing blame on everything else.iCanHazQBN
- Are you arguing that is not a good solution because you think it will never happen?********
- Me? I'm arguing that's it's not even a solution.iCanHazQBN
- Anyway, mass shootings aren't the main problem. Most gun deaths are one guy shooting another guy in the heat of the moment.iCanHazQBN
- or for murder. Those guys aren't looking for notoriety at all. Those are are trying NOT to get found out.iCanHazQBN
- What a stretch. You actually believe that the main reason people gun each other down is for "notoriety"?? It's crime, dude...iCanHazQBN
- you are deluded. every single one of these rampage murderers states that they are motivated by trying to get attention. this is a logical approach to take away********
- Murderers don't want anybody to know them. They don't want to go to jail. This petition is pointless and laughable.iCanHazQBN
- Uh, Gilga... rampage murders are the least common gun-related types of death. Most common is just one dude shooting another dude out of conflict.iCanHazQBN
- that motivating factor. you have shown to be an emotional creature incapable of logical thinking so i wouldn't expect you to grasp any of this********
- But it's the mass shootings that get the anti gunners up in arms. Saying this could have been stopped if....********
- Gilgamush is right********
- You're just gonna make stuff up and say mass-shootings are the leading cause of gun deaths and notoriety is the main reason people shoot each other?? loliCanHazQBN
- Bro, the vast majority of shootings are one guy shooting one other guy. And the last thing they want is notoriety. You can't dispute this.iCanHazQBN
- we are talking about the rampage killers icanhaz, try to focus you dullard********
- and we already know how laughable you find this whole situation, you don't have to remind us of what a sick fuck you are all the time, we get it********
- Ah ok yes, this petition is for rampage killers. So you're fighting a wildfire with a garden hose. Yeah go ahead and sign the petition. Nice work! lollllliCanHazQBN
- Yes, I'm the sick fuck. I'm the one who wants people dying from gun deaths. Look in the mirror for once. It's your ideas & policies that perpetuate this problemiCanHazQBN
- Yet another lame attempt from pro-gunners to shift attention away from the real problem. "Everything else is to blame except the guns!!".iCanHazQBN
- yup, that's their only argument, no fucking argument at all._niko
- http://www.youtube.c…IRNlun6
- +1 IRNI. icanhaz, you can demean the honest efforts of good people to combat specific problems by saying it isn't enough but this is how change is affected********
- one step at a time. your dismissal of this obvious solution speaks further to your complete lack of genuine concern, you are perverse********
- This is not a solution. For the millionth time, the vast majority of shootings are done by people who don't want recognition.. who don't want to be found out.iCanHazQBN
- They are incidents where one person shoots another person. Not rampage or "notoriety" killings. They are people who DON'T want to be known.iCanHazQBN
- I can't believe I just had to explain something so blatantly obvious.iCanHazQBN
- This petition is like saying "We helped stop a flood because we filled up one sand bag". It does nothing.iCanHazQBN
- Dumb fuck, we are talking about how to stop the random mass killings. How many times are you going to say the same stupid shit********
- Hayoth-2
Best quote ive seen.
"I'm sick of hearing 'these shootings keep taking place and we continue to do nothing, we must do something.' DO WHAT? You want to take gun rights away from people who've never committed crimes. You want to get rid of all guns? SAY IT... say what you mean."
Say you want all guns confisicated and you (anti-self defensers) dream it should be done through violence by the govt.
Tell us how you admired hitler, stalin, mao, lenin, mussolini and others that disarmed their citizens. Then murdered them.
Dont be afraid. Stand with your idols.
<mic drop>
- while i don't agree with your sensationalist tactics hayoth, your point is a valid one. these people can't be reasoned with. they can only deal with issues in a********
- black and white manner and have no regard for the practicalities of the situation********
- Nahhh us gov doesn't need to us military to kill citizen. They give you gun to kill each other's.pango
- You and _niko are the same person aren't you pango********
- Nope. if i remember correctly niko has buzz-cut hair. and i'm like a majestic lion.pango
- it may be a good quote but that doesn't make it true or relevantlowimpakt
- the point of this quote as i take it is that the people who advocate for a comprehensive ban on guns are actually trolls or irrelevant europeans who lack in per********
- perspective of exactly how it is over here and just like slinging shit. it is a radical view shared by the psychopaths mentioned, and the american public isn't********
- going to go for it no matter how many artists cry about the farce of the impracticality of their profession vs the practicality of arming oneself********
- you people are the outliers, you are hopelessly outnumbered, i suppose all you really have is bitching on forums, ought to let you do that in peace, 1********
- while i don't agree with your sensationalist tactics hayoth, your point is a valid one. these people can't be reasoned with. they can only deal with issues in a
- iCanHazQBN0
^ Hahahaha. That's naive.
You think the US government couldn't murder us right now if they wanted to? Their weaponry is unimaginably more powerful than any of your little guns and any number of your militias.
I sit here laughing at how much power you think you have, and how much power they make you believe you have. All this "guns = freedom" is marketing bullshit. They want to sell you guns. It's a business. They're selling toys for adults.
We're already completely disarmed. Your guns mean nothing compared to what they're capable of. You might as well be carrying slingshots. You stand zero chance against this military equipped with tanks and jets and drones and nukes.
Your militia would be standing in a field with all your guns ready to go and a fucking military drone from 5,000 ft in the sky would blow all of you to bits in one second.
The only reason they keep us alive is because we're the consumers that buy goods that make them rich.
- There is a reason they don't let you own tanks, and jets, and drones.iCanHazQBN
- ...because those things actually matter. Your guns don't.iCanHazQBN
- So enough with the tyrannical government / hitler / stalin bullshit excuse. We are already disarmed, right this very second.iCanHazQBN
- Shouldn't this be reason enough to make people paranoid to let their guns be taken?IRNlun6
- Replace the word guns with slingshot in your sentence. It doesn't matter at this point.iCanHazQBN
- We've over-funded our own military. If they ever turn against their own citizens, the citizens are fucked.iCanHazQBN
- If these anti-tyranny gun people really cared, they'd be protesting for access to tanks, jets, nukes, & drones, to level the playing field more.iCanHazQBN
- They can't even get automatic weapons. They're playing with toys!.. and they think they stand a fighting chance. So pathetic.iCanHazQBN
- I don't disagree with your larger point of overwhelming force but if that where to happen it really wouldn't be the US any more.IRNlun6
- Well, the after-effects of a citizens vs military war in this country would be like a doomsday scenario.iCanHazQBN
- The US has evolved from it's beginnings. What's the definition of the US? It could be a shit country 200 years from now. The name doesn't matter.iCanHazQBN
- If there's anything that's going to start internal conflict it'd be water shortages, leading to food shortages.iCanHazQBN
- I would think those serving in the military are more patriotic than your average American so in such a situation you'd possibly see a more level playing field.IRNlun6
- Well, any of those in the military that defect to the citizen's side would not have access to the jets, drones, etc. It's not a level playing field.iCanHazQBN
- What is scary is the young men who have been broken down by the military's structure so much that they can't refuse orders from higher-ups.iCanHazQBN
- They've all been psychologically conditioned to take and execute orders.iCanHazQBN
- They've also pledged an oath to defend the constitution. I would think the mercenaries would be a great threat in this scenario.IRNlun6
- I think gun ownership to defend against tyrannical government is largely symbolic in a practical sense.IRNlun6
- It's symbolic and nothing more. And 51,740 people in this country died last year because of it.iCanHazQBN
- oh my god kid, you just went full on retard mode. you have completely missed the point and gone off on some misguided tirade over nothing at all. what a dummy********
- You keep giving the same reasons for owning a gun... and they're all incredibly weak reasons.iCanHazQBN
- and the assertion that gun deaths are somehow caused by the guns themselves is incredibly weak logic. they are caused mostly by irresponsible people, and then v********
- very depressed people, and finally the murderers, all of whom are human beings who are responsible for their actions********
- but you are just a rabid troll so why do i bother talking to you. you have already accused me of somehow having blood on my hands, what a daft twit********
- monkeyshine0
How crazy to think that this country needs gun control? If this little girl had a gun instead of a puppy, maybe she'd still be alive. How much more senseless tragedy must we endure before common sense takes hold?
- And they're charging the 11 year old boy with murder?? Charge the gun-owner. What a backward society we live in.iCanHazQBN
- Are we going to lock up an 11 year old kid for life? Lock him up until he's 18? Yeah.. that's healthy... jeez.iCanHazQBN
- Someone in comments said: "This is what happens when we raise children in a world where grabbing a gun and shooting out your aggression is acceptable behavior."iCanHazQBN
- Yeah, it's outrageous if the parents are not charged. And this kid had been bullying the girl. So sad.monkeyshine
- I read the article and i dont see anything mentioned if the girl had a gun, like you said.yurimon
- pango0
I bet I the dad is a legal gun owner.
http://globalnews.ca/news/226025…- Likely. Looks like Tennessee barely has any restrictions.IRNlun6
- pr20
Guys, have you ever travel through Mid-West? I have traveled extensively through the States due to my work and every time we get to some Nowherville there is this weird energy in the air as if we were surrounded by overweight brain dead zombies. The educational system in this country is atrocious, the mind burnt out by popcorn entertainment only made more docile by garbage over-processed food. You have hard time getting into any kind of fascinating conversations with those people because there is no way to reason things out - they don't even understand the reasoning beyond personal believes while their life experience is between Wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland fantasy. No shit they need guns to keep one another in check because force - or rather fear of force - is the only way they can carry on a conversation. I love guns as a pieces of well crafted machinery but they also freak me out because i know they are for the most part in hands of those brain-dead zombies. It's nice to think that taking guns away from them would solve the problem (though it would be a positive first step) but there is a necessity for a larger overhaul: education, society, believe system...
- pew pew pew~pango
- travel is 1 thing, living is another.moldero
- what an arrogant prick. oh yes, you are so smug up on your high horse aren't you pr2, leagues better than these peasants, lol, go fuck yourself********
- Gilgamush are you suggesting that all people are of the same intelligence and rationale level??? lol. They're not "peasants"... just stupid.iCanHazQBN
- so people who have less education than you are extrinsically also less intelligent than you? your comments on here are proof enough that that isn't at all true********
- typical arrogant yuppie thinking. just sooooo much better than everyone else********
- *whoops, meant intrinsically. you got the point though i would hope********
- d0mino0
At what point does the right to bear arms stop? Are American's allowed pistols? rifles? automatic weapons? grenades? rocket launchers? anti aircraft missiles? nuclear weapons?
Where is the line drawn? And why is that line ok with the NRA and weapon advocates?
- do some research you lazy shit, oh but that's right, you don't actually give a shit and are just spewing uninformed drivel********
- How will you defend yourself against someone with a 2 foot stick, when you are only allowed a 1 foot stick?d0mino
- is that supposed to be some sort of gun allegory. a single 22 bullet can kill, size matters not********
- Where are the limits to your gun rights? Where do they stop? Why is it ok for you to have a right to an automatic pistol but you're ok with not having an RPG?d0mino
- What the fuck are you talking about, what automatic pistol********
- Oops! I don't know the exact terminology for your precious guns. Regardless, do you understand the intent of the question? Where do you draw the line?d0mino
- Are you asking me what the existing laws are or are you just trying to set up a half baked straw man********
- Google the info graphic of logical fallacies, you are mired in sloppy thinking********
- The whole 'oh what good will your pistol be against a sniper rifle' line of bullshit is a complete red herring, just you people trying your hardest to justify w********
- Why honest people like me shouldn't have the tools to deal with the criminals who intend us harm********
- I am genuinely interested in where you draw the line. How far does your right to bear arms extend, and how far do you want / need it to extend?d0mino
- I simply don't understand your position. The reason I ask is to better understand your thinking and the thinking behind of rights advocates.d0mino
- Once again. Look up the laws concerning gun ownership if you don't understand. Shall I Google it for you********
- The laws and your opinion surely differ at some point? You must have an independent viewpoint on the law?d0mino
- There are fifty different states with fifty different takes on gun control and fifty different levels of crime. It isn't something I can explain to you in side********
- notes********
- What is your opinion on your states law? Do you have enough access to weapons? Are you able to defend yourself adequately? Why aren't you answering the q?d0mino
- Because your question was extremely broad and would take an unweildy amount of sidenotes to even scratch the surface. As far as Massachusetts, the state I live********
- in, the right to own firearms is treated like a priveladge, but I am an honest man and I am able to excersize my rights by jumping through a long series of she********
- shenanigan hoops which are set in place by the vocal minority who take the time to affect political change. That's how it is, and I have made due. If the state********
- legislature prevented me from possessing the means to be on equal footing as the criminally intentioned then I would move to a different one. Like NH********
- Having a criminal record makes it difficult though********
- Do you feel as though the equal footing is brought higher because of the legality of weapon access though? Couldn't the bar be incrementally lowered?d0mino
- Surely there must be outlaws who have weapons of a higher quality than what you currently have access to?d0mino
- Yes, because any criminal can just drive to NH and get one. No, because of previous reason stated. And lowered to what, slingshots? Ugh we already had the********
- Who has the bigger weapon convo and I already told you that makes no difference. A bullet is still a bullet and proper training is what makes them accurate and********
- Deadly, not how big or of high quality the gun itself is, but that is a common misconception that the antigun lobby has tryed to scare you with. The 'assault ri********
- rifle' nonsense for instance. It doesn't actually mean anything, its a phrase meant to scare city slickers into some uninformed hysteria. Any more questions********
- Perhaps the middle ground is to limit access to the weapons that have a high rate of fire. Ones that require a bit more skill to operate would make schools safed0mino
- That way, some numbnuts with no training can't spray a class room. Trained citizen with skill can stop him if he rocks up with weapon that req training / skilld0mino
- Automatic firearms are much more difficult to get legally and the near outlawing of them has made them more expensive but no less available. People get what the********
- They want one way or the other. It takes no training to hit something under ten feet********
- do some research you lazy shit, oh but that's right, you don't actually give a shit and are just spewing uninformed drivel
- ********3
Lot of long winded arguments on this thread that are depressingly circular.
I herald from Hobart, Tasmania (Aus). May ring a bell because it's where the world's worst mass shooting occurred in Port Arthur: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/…)
Prior to this, Australia had an engrained gun culture, very similar to America - i.e. one that led to regular gun related injuries/murders. But the effect that the Port Arthur massacre had on our society was profound. No doubt most American's remember where they were when they witness 9/11 unfolding, well most Australian's can remember where they were when Port Arthur occurred. It was horrific.
It took one extreme instance, a massacre so brutal it was almost incomprehensible, to undo all the engrained gun lobby 'right to own/carry' arguments. A society where a mentally unstable human being has ease of access to semi-automatic weapons and go on to murder others and hunt down their children as they fled, is wrong. We understood that we were all responsible for perpetuating the environment that allowed this to occur. So we opted for gun control.
Now days, if you want a rifle or a handgun, you have to go through a rigorous review process, training and have a valid professional reason to own a firearms license. What's more, you cannot simply 'purchase' a firearm from a store, their sale is strictly monitored. Australia has not had a massive shooting since and homicides, suicides and robberies decreased instantly. The proof is in the pudding.
Ultimately, words are wind and action is the only way to stop these massacres happening. And whether you like it or not, in supporting the right to openly own/carry firearms you are essentially supporting/enabling mass shootings.
- totally remember where i was ..autoflavour
- Heard it unfold on the buses radio, while heading back from College. Family knew one of the officers first on the scene, left the force a year on due to PTSD.********
- Alas this would never work in the States - totally different culture/history/poli... etc. etc... it would have happened by now if it could.fadein11
- I disagree, AUS experienced just as much opposition by lobbyist's and minorities, but our Prime Minister and the great population said "enough's enough".********
- Regardless of the difference of culture/history/poli... the argument always comes back to the same conclusion...********
- "Whether you like it or not, in supporting the right to openly own/carry firearms you are essentially supporting/enabling mass shootings."********
- Every American should therefore ask themselves whether they support murder. Most would say "no" and therefore accept the introduction of stricter gun controls.********
- holly shit, fadein11 has seen the light, didn't expect that********
- and your drastic oversimplification guvnor is mind numbingly childish********
- Having lived in Europe & Australia Gilgamesh, I have to say that this whole situation in US is over-complicated and childish. We're in 2015 not the dark ages.********
- @gilgaI haven't seen the light - just think Oz gun culture/history is totally different to the US and a solution in 1 context is unlikely to work in another.fadein11
- yes, it is most certainly overcomplicated, thats why simple solutions that may have worked in au and the eu wouldn't work over here********
- so before you say stupid shit like the last sentence of your rant you should probably consider that you in fact don't know what the fuck you are talking about a********
- and don't have the right to make sweeping statements that vilify a group of people you have never lived among********
- @fadein11, yes i got that, and that's what i meant when i said you have seen the light********
- Pretty well informed Gilgamush. Worked with MONA on a US gun buyback program last year in New Orleans. To stop gang killings.********
- so did you actually spend lime in louisiana********
- I've probably done more for the US about this issue than you yourself have. Words are wind mate, action makes a solution. You can either enable or prevent it.********
- Also, what part of what I wrote vilifies a particular group? You need to read what I wrote again, it's simple cause & effect and can be applied to any problem.********
- 'in supporting the right to openly own/carry firearms you are essentially supporting/enabling mass shootings.' idiotic oversimplified statement********
- buybacks don't do shit in a country with more guns than people. your desire to do humanitarian activism is admirable however naive and poorly conceived********
- and for that i give you a pat on the back, but your childish oversimplification is unfounded and impractical********
- We're not going to see eye to eye Gilgamush. Ultimately the majority of folks on this planet seem to be doing fine with gun control. Live in your bubble.********
- My bubble is called north america, and the majority of us like our guns, our guns have never sprouted feet and acted out of their own accord. People and society********
- Are the problem********
- Not North America. Just states. We have guns and gun controls. Not as easy accessible. You need to do test and waiting periods and renew your licence everypango
- Couple years. Just to make sure you don't turn into an idiot one day. Plus most of the illegal guns we have came from the states. You guys have way too many gunpango
- I have a friend who applied for gun license for 3 years now. He hasn't got one. No criminal history. Thanks god for gun control. Cuz He'd be that idiot with gunpango
- Another friend who has gun license already. Know no way you can use it to protect your home. Cuz he got a kid in the house. The guns are always disassembled andpango
- Locked in 2 dif safe. Cuz he wouldn't want kid or thief to get to it. No way he can draw his gun to fight the robber in time.pango
- Cool story guys. The other first world countries are doing fine without owning/carrying and it's a true/tried method of preventing these horrific shootings.********
- Cool story guys. The other first world countries are doing fine without owning/carrying and it's a true/tried method of preventing these horrific shootings.********
- Well we aren't talking about those other countries are we now********
- So let me ask you a question, what makes America so different to Australia or any other Western country in this day in age that requires you to have guns?********
- Morning_star2
US boy, 11, held for shooting dead eight-year-old neighbour.
The boy shot the girl from inside his home with his father's 12-gauge shotgun, Jefferson County Sheriff Bud McCoig said.
What kind of society produces a CHILD that thinks that killing someone is an acceptable answer to anything. Fucked up.
- According to police, he shot neighbour McKayla Dyer on Saturday evening after she refused to let him see her puppy.********
- society that kills thousand of brown people oversees every years without blinkingGeorgesIV
- How is this relevent George? Most European contries are involved in overseas military operations. Whatever you believe the US is not the ONLY ...Morning_star
- ...police force. Yet, the US is the only place where finding a solution to gun murders is a political hot potato.Morning_star
- Gilgamush, hypothetically speaking, if you could trade your own personal gun to bring this 8 year old girl back to life, would you do it?d0mino
- LOL. This belongs if the What If thread.********
- domino you are a piece of shit, don't even talk to me you sick fuck. and for the record it is a hot potato because it is political suicide to point out that th********
- the murder rate is mostly composed of black on black murders. if you go and point out the statistically alarming facts you will end up having to apologize to s********
- some hate mongering charlatan like jessy j or al sharpton********
- No. It's a political hot potato because the NRA and other pro-gun lobby groups have far more influence than they should. Curruption is very ugly...Morning_star
- ...and these dead children are a direct result of not being able to have a reasonable debate.Morning_star
- ^yupmoldero
- that is a ridiculous assertion to make but with the power of partisan thinking great leaps of logic are possible, hooray for your artistic reasoning********
- http://www.economist…Morning_star
- Gilgamush, do you think there is a problem? If so, what would you do?Morning_star
- nice partisan drivel. oh boy, they tried to ban the fn-57 and failed because of the eeevil nra, what a load of shit.********
- "Fear smothers rational debate. It is meant to." both extremes are fear mongering, you just happen to land on the other extreme********
- there are plenty of state to state options in gun control, it is a local and state legislature issue not a federal one. notice how the federal assault weapons b********
- ban expired. that's because it didn't do jack shit to prevent crime and was a pointless appeasement law passed in the heat of hysteria********
- oh but that's right, you can't vote for your state to pass certain laws because you aren't even an american. just another concerned citizen of the world playing********
- party politics when he isn't even in the party. what a waste of your time********
- The Economist is partisan? Wow!
You're either ignorant, or at the ultra-violet end of the political madness spectrum.detritus - uuum, it is an opinion piece in which the nra and republicans are vilified. could not be more partisan, which article did you read. or did you read it at all********
- https://en.wikipedia…
so basicly, agreeing with everything that has ever been on the liberal agenda is your idea of bein******** - being bi-partisan. lol, and if you disagree with the democrats you must be somewhere on the "ultra-violet end of the political madness spectrum.". you are a dol********
- dolt, detritus********
- As a subscriber of nearly 20 years, I've got an inkling of what flavour of liberalism The Economist favours - apparently you don't though. Conflate all you willdetritus
- According to police, he shot neighbour McKayla Dyer on Saturday evening after she refused to let him see her puppy.
- iCanHazQBN5
(Anti-Gun Person): The current system isn't working at all. Ban guns? Impose meaningful requirements?
(Pro-Gun Person): No. We need to get at the root cause. People. People kill people. We need to drastically improve mental / behavioral health in this country. We need to catch all the crazies before they do anything crazy.
(Anti-Gun Person): Ah ok then. Well, most of these people can't afford the medical help they need. Raise taxes?
(Pro-Gun Person): No. Raising taxes is a sin. You need to learn something about personal responsibility! Gotta take care of yourself!
Ummmm................
- hey, at last, a icanhaz post that made some sense. nice job presenting fairly clear and rational ideas. i am not being sarcastic.********
- the problem of course is that you assume that the solution is going to come from the federal or state level. what we have here is a cultural issue, therefor it********
- is basically unaffected by the passing of laws. it starts with individual attitudes. it starts with what it means to be a man in the heart of a ten year old kid********
- Do you expect everyone to come together in this country to join in on this super-vague "culture change" you're proposing?iCanHazQBN
- it starts with families staying together, with fathers that stick around. it's a cultural emergency for sure, but laws and politicians can't do anything for it********
- yes, i do expect that icanhaz. if people can stop being so focused on what makes us different and keeping the race game intact with things like affirmative ac********
- If you want to change the culture and mindset of an entire country, then we're talking hundreds of years before any effects are noticed.iCanHazQBN
- action, and stop playing the 2 party game with their spouting of rhetoric, and stop the class warfare game with the arrogant yuppie syndrome, we might start to********
- What you're proposing is something very vague. "Changing the culture" of a country.iCanHazQBN
- see young men be less violent towards each other, especially young black men, who represent an alarmingly disproportionate amount of the violence********
- yes, it isn't some magic solution that will change everything over night, this is a complicated issue and it has a complicated solution. i know you would rather********
- have your daddy/the government have it's wand and make all the guns disappear but that is just a childish fantasy********
- The government isn't the daddy. If enough people in this country want something, they will vote representatives in that feel the same way.iCanHazQBN
- I wonder how we'll get the entire population to agree on this culture change and do it all at once. How about a cute petition? "Sign if you agree on being nice"iCanHazQBN
- *wave it's wand. at any rate, i do not see why the cultural shift back to family values has to take hundreds of years, it didn't take even a single hundred yea********
- years for the complete degradation of the black household********
- What was the black household before?? Slavery?? Come on dude. Blacks have always been discriminated against.iCanHazQBN
- Black people engage in violence because they're desperate. If you're desperate, you take desperate measures to survive (violence, stealing).iCanHazQBN
- It's from ages of discrimination and no opportunities.iCanHazQBN
- It's not because they're black, it'e because they're a group of people who have been deprived unfairly.iCanHazQBN
- Of course you'd never steal or commit crime... because you don't NEED TO to survive.iCanHazQBN
- So are you proposing just simply asking black communities to "get it together"???iCanHazQBN
- Because that doesn't work. We need to invest (tax money) into these places to improve education. But you're against taxes of course...iCanHazQBN
- Money talks. It gets things done. Seems like you're the one with the magic wand idea... of a cultural change that arises from nothing. Good luck.iCanHazQBN
- Its worked so far, new healthcare system is nationalized so there is no excuse now.yurimon
- what? you have no idea what you are speaking on. the black family unit had always been strong until crack hit in the eighties. i suggest you not speak on the co********
- condition of black culture, you have a very thin grasp on the issue. crime is not committed out of necessity, it is committed out of a lack of good parenting********
- you make the most ridiculous excuses for peoples' bad choices, i know you think you are being very politically correct but really you are just being racist********
- and implying that because of some past wrong that criminality and irresponsibility are somehow not the product of personal choice, of course they are, stop talk********
- talking about black folks like they are children, it is demeaning********
- Hahahaha. What are you on about? Did you even read my posts?iCanHazQBN
- and i already told you the steps that need to be taken, i guess you were to busy being smug to retain the information.********
- you are such a fucking idiot it is unreal. to suggest that anyone needs to sell or use crack to survive, good god man, you are so deluded it is remarkable********
- nobody is to blame when somebody decides to sell crack rather than sell candy bars other than that person, and the parents that completely failed at raising him********
- In like 5 posts you've already shifted the cause of this problem to blacks... and them selling crack. "Everything else but the gun!"iCanHazQBN
- the ' oh those black folks, they just have to sell crack and gang bang because of slavery and racism and stuff' people like you are the most racist of all********
- oh right, but you want to insinuate that i am racist for even acknowledging the problem, lol, of course you would do that. you hide your racism behind a thin ve********
- veil of political correctness********
- hey, at last, a icanhaz post that made some sense. nice job presenting fairly clear and rational ideas. i am not being sarcastic.
- utopian1
Let Freedom Ring!
US boy, 11, held for shooting dead eight-year-old neighbour.
An 11-year-old boy in the US state of Tennessee has been held on suspicion of shooting dead an eight-year-old girl in a row over a puppy.
- how can you jeer and mock in the context of the loss of this innocent life. what a despicable and sadistic person you seem to be********
- What a douchbag....keep defending your guns asswipe!utopian
- gilgamush keep defending all the innocent lives lost by gun violence with your gun rhetoric!utopian
- Let Freedom Ring!
http://www.nragive.c…utopian - Gilga, you are jeering and mocking this death solely by your position on guns. Look in the mirror, buddy. It's you who is sadistic.iCanHazQBN
- It's like laying out a rock for someone to trip on, and then pretending that you're sympathetic when they fall. You're sadistic.iCanHazQBN
- If only the 11 year girl had a gun!utopian
- you guys are so perverse is it sickening. nice comeback though icanhaz, 'i know you are but what am i?', fucking moron********
- How is my rock analogy flawed??iCanHazQBN
- What's sickening is the pro-gun laws that YOU FAVOR that keep these tragedy happening over and over again.iCanHazQBN
- because i did not leave the gun out for that kid. you are just a hateful little shit for trying to pin that on my conscience. completely out of line. and if you********
- smug little shits had a single shred of human decency you wouldn't be using this tragedy as an excuse to jeer at america's problems********
- LOL. But you DID leave that gun out... because of your views and the people that are elected by you who ALLOW these guns to be everywhere.iCanHazQBN
- I have to get some work done. It's obvious you're incapable of any rational thought.iCanHazQBN
- no i didn't you hateful little man, you can say it as much as you'd like it doesn't make it true. you have the mind of a child, it is really remarkable********
- oh boy, ration though=if you are a republikkan than you are complicit in every gun death in america. i hope you are just trolling like utopian and aren't really********
- this challenged********
- and by the way, i am not a republican. you want so badly for me to be your villain, your face of evil, but in the process you have shown what a hateful and ign********
- ignorant little man you are. not to mention that you are a certified closet racist. it is telling that your bedmates on here are rabid america bashers. i doubt********
- that you have or do in fact live here, i would put money on the opposite in fact********
- When did I say the word republican?? I love how you just go off on tangents, putting words in my mouth, and then get angrier. It's so weird.iCanHazQBN
- Actually, I was born and raised in the USA. How ignorant and narrow-minded that you assume all Americans should be just like you.iCanHazQBN
- well considering the amount of hate and contempt you have towards your fellow americans i mistook you for an america bashing european troll like utopian********
- though he claims to be american too. i suppose it is in style for creative yuppie types to be self loathing and autismal but you two take it way too far, reveli********
- reveling in every tragedy like you have no regard for human decency********
- "it's so weird" there is only one other self hating pseudo intellectual on this site that uses that vague phrase inappropriately. steps have been taken, consid********
- consider it done 'icanhaz'. i now know that this is just a personal attempt to rile me up by you, it worked, i hope it was worth it for you********
- You guys is so weird.********
- this could have all been avoided if the little girl was allowed to carry her own gun...robotron3k
- your sense of humor is repulsive robo, go torture small animals or whatever it is that gets you off********
- By 'this' you mean the conversation?********
- no dipshit, i mean his condescending post regarding the murder of a small child********
- I'm buying my pet rock a gun, just incase.utopian
- This kid clearly did it for fame. Fame Control! No... wait, it was guns again.d0mino
- Idiots, both of you********
- how can you jeer and mock in the context of the loss of this innocent life. what a despicable and sadistic person you seem to be