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- NBQ001
I believe the Mac Mini with Apple’s new AX Silicon and their own GPU will be a powerful dream machine. It could rival the current (best spec) iMac Pro.
- no matter how much I admire Apple hardware and software I always know I can build a PC for half the cost that is at least as powerfuldkoblesky
- That’s a myth.
Besides it’s not just about hardware. It’s about which OS you prefer to work with and overall feel, workflow and user experience.NBQ00 - Also Macs will get a bit cheaper now anyway with Apple doing their own CPU. And these ARM CPU’s will be very powerful and quiet.NBQ00
- You can build and ugly tower that is about 5x less efficient and loud that is far cheaper and more powerful. Of course.monospaced
- It’s easy to buy a $30 case, some $3 fans and a shit motherboard. Apple isn’t in that business. Why would you want them to be? Weird.monospaced
- It’s like anything remotely designed and integrated. There’s a cost involved. You actually get a bit of custom engineering with Apple computers.monospaced
- Wind him up and watch him go, kids!Nairn
- I've got a latest gen i7 Mini, and I'm quite happy with it. It's strictly for music and some interneting.section_014
- no matter how much I admire Aston Martin I always know I can build a Ford Focus for half the cost that is at least as powerful.Hayzilla
- NBQ00-2
Nov. 10
- Again?!grafician
- Well, they said Apple ARM this year. My money is on Macbook Air's, and maybe some sorta iMac.section_014
- Mac Mini with ARM rathergrafician
- but stay away from 1st generation new stuff from Apple, maybe in 2 more years they're ok for productiongrafician
- One thing is for sure: no more repairs, so choose wisely your configurations as you can't upgrade anymore in the future sadlygrafician
- I'll only consider one when all my audio plugins are confirmed working. Which is gonna be at least a few years, if I had to guess.section_014
- Plus, benchmarks, of course.section_014
- re benchmarks pretty sure Apple can beat Intel anytime they want with unlimited RD funding, wanna bet they'll go into servers in 2-3 seasons?grafician
- ^that video NBQ posted with a 16" ARM MBPro that lasts 2-3 days uuuuh boy, Intel is in big trouble.grafician
- Intel knew years ago Apple would switch. Intel isn’t just in trouble because of Apple. They’re in trouble because they suck.NBQ00
- NBQ00-1
- NBQ002
Few hours 'til we get Santa Timmy to say "Good morning!"
- 16" MacBook Pro that DOESN'T burn my dick when I sit it on my lap for 8+ hours please & thank you.
: )ideaist - 16" most likely won't happen yet. They start the transition with Apple Silicon on the smaller ones like 13" Macbook Air/ MB Pro.NBQ00
- I know, BUT I can hope, eh?ideaist
- Maybe a Mac Mini like the developer toolkit version?! Who the fuck knows...ideaist
- Can't wait until these get out in the wild so we can see some benchmarks.section_014
- i wonder why apple has no protection for microphones and camera - it feels so stupid to have those stickers on the macbooks.api
- 16" MacBook Pro that DOESN'T burn my dick when I sit it on my lap for 8+ hours please & thank you.
- ideaist0
- https://www.apple.co…ideaist
- "They challenge, they create, they innovate...they help change the world" - Tim Cook - What a bunch of fucking nonsense.utopian
- NBQ003
M1 - Faster than your mom.
- ideaist0
Craig > Tim.
IMO.
- Krassy1
yet another Apple iNfomercial?
- you're watching, so there's thatmonospaced
- I am not watchingKrassy
- lolmonospaced
- :DKrassy
- mg331
These product assembly videos are like visual ASMR. Could watch all day.
- <ideaist
- Yes very well rendered and put together. Curious who does this for them.NBQ00
- I think much like the chip itself, everything is moving internal @ Apple.
Control the experience.ideaist - yes they are lovelymilfhunter
- NBQ000
They brought back the PC guy at the end. That was cute.
- NBQ000
What’s interesting is all these new M1 enhanced Macs have a limit of only 16GB of Ram. Even the MacBook Pro 13’’ (previously 32GB). And on the previous Mac Mini you could get up to 64GB of Ram.
That must mean that just like on iOS devices (iPad Pro only has 6GB) we will need less Ram?
- "unified memory"ideaist
- looks like it, def would want to spend that extra $200 for the full 16GB imo, pointless to get the 8GBprophetone
- You can function with 16GB pretty well, until you do multi-core things. It'll be interesting to see the real-world benchmarks on this.evilpeacock
- Maybe more processors will allow for more ram multiples. WE'll seemonospaced
- told you guys you can't upgrade anymore after this...grafician
- section_0140
Glad I grabbed my i7 Mini while I could. They axed two Thunderbolt ports, and these are limited at 16GB of RAM. I'm already using 3 out of 4 Thunderbolt ports, and most Thunderbolt hubs only give you one extra, at most. Plus, those hubs are mostly geared towards laptops that don't have HDMI or any USB A ports.
I get by fine on 16GB of RAM, but anyone using big sample libraries (in Logic or whatever) will probably be weary of only using 16.
- I suspect 16GB limit is first-gen SOC thing. If it's like iOS the efficiency of the chip with the RAM may be better than with Intel.evilpeacock
- I don't get the removal of the ports either, but controllers for TB used to be tied to the Intel architecture, so this is probably a 1.0 limit.evilpeacock
- Apparently the new Ram is “unified” and faster than DDR4. M1 is faster at I/O as well and less Ram needed.NBQ00
- Faster or not, things like orchestral libraries are loaded into RAM. You need the capacity to hold them.section_014
- To some extent, efficiency and speed can overcome ram capacity, as Apple has demonstrated with iOS. I think next gen M chip will support moremonospaced
- nb-1
Perhaps they know better than to release an iMac with a 16GB RAM limit.
- grafician0
What to take from this new generation of Macs announcement:
- SoC architecture is the future, everything integrated on a chip runs faster, gives more battery life BUT you have zero upgrade options (limited RAM, don't expect 64GB machines for at least 2 more generations, that even)
- these are first generation transition machines - a test bed - mostly for regular users, in time for Xmas season, not to be taken seriously yet by pro users (would wait until M3 at least to get a machine like this)
- most important, you can now run iOS apps on a Mac (drawing in ProCreate on a Macbook Pro with a Wacom tablet would be lovely)
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one more thing: [data] security wise, this new architecture is a nightmare, if you do something wrong and brick your laptop, it's game over for your data - zero recovery; this means investing a lot in backup solutions from day-one when getting a new Macbook
- that final point, which came with the T chips, seems like a really huge blundermonospaced
- Not only does consumer lose out when anything attached to that board goes out, but Apple does too having to swap the whole thing each time!monospaced
- re: last point - presumably Apple will encourage its cloud-based backup services? Smart, if somewhat cynical, move. One up from Chromebook.Nairn
- Agree with you about SoC Arch - high-end processing on <7nm is going to become a standard. PCs are going to change massively next decade, I think.Nairn
- The HDD is on the chip too?slappy
- re: last point: yes, cloud based solutions, but this would mean 100% dependancy on Apple, that would be nuts!grafician
- @slappy no, just the RAM for now, but the "hdd" is a SSD so still a chipgrafician
- re: 100% dependancy on Apple
You mean, like their best-selling product, the iPhone?Nairn - was just waiting to see if there would be another 16" intel MBP announced. but nope - looks like i'm getting a 2019!kingsteven
- they'll probably run the same (2019) model of 16" MBP until rolling out a redesign next year.kingsteven
- I reckon I’d just get a PC, although the thought of it give me the heebsPhanLo
- @Nairn no 100% dependency as in in 10 years you just lease both the hardware and software and if don't pay they can brick your phone remotely and donegrafician
- ^more or less like what Adobe does now, if you use their cloud for files, no pay = no access to your files or any appgrafician
- They solder the SSd to the same board as the T2 chip and a couple other parts that break. one part goes they replace it all and do not guarantee data is safemonospaced
- This Apple CPU is more memory efficient and thus needs less Ram just like on iPhones or iPads.NBQ00
- monospaced0
Any discussion on how Adobe Software runs on the M1? I haven't bothered looking, but I am curious.
- lol dream onnb
- Does Adobe even work properly on the current OS?nb
- Huh?monospaced
- Adobe released near full versions for iOS and Apple's chips. It's not a "dream on" to think they would port the full suite at some point. Makes sense.monospaced
- They're a part of the presentation non nerds.ideaist
- Thru Roseta 2, so at least at current Intel speeds.grafician
- But no matter the hardware, Adobe apps are just not optimised for anything, big blundergrafician
- Considering most parts of Illustrator and photoshop are still the same as 15+ years ago... no... don't think it'll be quick.shapesalad
- Illustrator: Effect>Distort & Transform > Free Distort. = a work of antique UI. For F sake with that...shapesalad
- ... I put a ticket in like 5 years ago asking for a modern UI solution for that function.shapesalad
- Oh I meant "dream on" about Adobe addressing it today.nb
- You can do same with shift/Ctrl/Alt combos, but yeah, you're not wrong - that thing is a low res piece of fuckwittery. a shame.Nairn
- I guess they expect you to use the perspective grid tool, but that's new and fangled and i ain't having none of that.Nairn
- so when I accidentally open the perspective grid, I just restart Ai, as I have no clue how to get rid of itgrafician
- Haha grafician, same here.antimotion
- Buried in the damn view menu under a couple more. Fuck.monospaced
- ^^^ Just hit ESC and it goes away. Used to give me the shits too! :)sab
- Apple said in the presentation stuff like Adobe will be soon universal and ready for M1. But most apps run on par or even better on M1 with Rosetta than IntelNBQ00
- I figure adobe will go full on with M1 based on their headway with full blown iOS versions of pro apps. The platform is the same so it makes sense.monospaced
- inteliboy1
Interested to see some first reviews on these m1 Macs. especially how audio software works....
have been pretty dissapointed with how slowwwwww the progression of computer speeds have been going. Moore's law aint a law no more..... Unless this apple silicone shit takes off.
- Agreed. Working on a new machine with 64gb, SSD, etc., and it doesn't feel faster than what I used 15 years ago.formed
- ^You'll never reach happiness. Don't you get that by now? LOL. Your benchmrk just shifts right along with you. Tech will ALWAYS be too slow.Hayzilla
- people will always be the bottle neck .. you can only operate a computer so fastautoflavour
- I run a 64GB SSD 2018 iMac and a 8GB SSD 2012 iMac - no difference in 98% of the appsgrafician
- Guess we'll all still be waiting to hear that AE render-complete jingle for decades to come.inteliboy
- I'm reading this while waiting for the fucking jingle.MrT
- I have side by side a 2013 iMac top spec vs a 2018 iMac pro £4k model.... After Effects, identical project, scratch disk on SSD etc...shapesalad
- ...we're talking a millisecond un-noticalbe difference in the workspace previewing. Jogging between frames... no difference.shapesalad
- Overall Render make movie time might see a few seconds, even a min shaved off... but it's not worth the £$£$'s and over 5 years tech dev.. no difference.shapesalad
- And I actually find the 2013 more enjoyable to use, screen isn't as bright and blinding.shapesalad