Give me reasons
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- iCanHazQBN0
I hate that someone with zero design experience can feel inclined to tell a designer how to design. She's unaware that I've worked with major national brands and have all this experience under my belt (and if I mention this, I come off as an asshole). She comes off so silly sounding... like someone telling Michael Jordan how to play basketball.
- it's more like a fat fan telling Shaq that he should make more free throwsmonospaced
- Are you comparing yourself to Jordan? Are you the Michael Jordan of design?nb
- nb, I think you missed the point...iCanHazQBN
- Here.. "It's like telling an expert in their field how to do their work." Is that better?iCanHazQBN
- Yeah, I'm just kidding around. But, the way you phrased is pretty telling of designers when it comes to outside input.nb
- Everyone thinks they're Michael Jordan. Or at least, that no one who isn't a designer could ever have an opinion that is valid.nb
- doesnotexist0
it's a brochure.
- iCanHazQBN0
I just threatened to set her car on fire. Have I taken this too far?
- CALLES0
ask her how does she like her coffee
- uuuuuu0
i can think of plenty of business pamphlets where the contact info on the front would be much more effective in generating sales/customers then on the back. in this type of situation the client is correct even though it offends your picky design sensibility.
Also I have come to realize that many designers are passive aggressive, ineffective communicators. The amount of similar threads on QBN, some designer out there can't figure out how to talk to a client about the work.
All you have to do is respond promptly to the request that you don't feel it presents their company appropriately and offer some alternatives.
- true, very true, that's why I suggested he just put it on the front and make it look goodmonospaced
- right, and done.uuuuuu
- ok_not_ok0
Put them on all the pages
- CALLES0
haha. so you are getting orders from the one person in the office that everyone gives orders too!
i guess she sees this as her chance to boss someone around
- Fax_Benson0
Put the contact info on the front but inform her that there is no longer room for the front on the front, and that you'll have to put the front on the back. You've still got your nice front (on the back) and she's got her info that should be on the back on the front.
- nb0
"Recent studies out of Oxford show that an overwhelming 93% of brochure viewers will place the brochure face-down after looking at it. By placing this critical info on the back, we are actually putting it on the the front."
- brilliant!
kona - 87% of all stats are made up
JayCee - A thread of these things!identity
- YES, thread of intelligent bs stats/commentswhatthefunk
- brilliant!
- kona0
I think you kind of nailed it on the head with your first comment.
"..and it really cheapens the look of an otherwise nice clean design."
Tell her this and maybe say "People will read the brochure front to back. Having the contact info in the front will force people to backtrack to the beginning and search for it. So it's been designed conveniently at the end so they can easily find it once they're done."
lol at the marissa mayer photo above. haha!
- yeah, i think i'll mention this. thxiCanHazQBN
- this.cotton
- iCanHazQBN0
The part of her email that really got me was the end...
"Thanks Bunches! :)"
Kill yourself. And take me with you.
- omg0
Innovate your brochure to have TWO fronts, and ask the secretary what to do...
- Like an inception pop-up book. I think you're on to something.iCanHazQBN
- iCanHazQBN0
I'm just going to advise against it, see what she says.... then if she pushes back one more time I'll just put it on the front and move on.
- monospaced0
Your other option is to add it to the front, but make it look good. Be a designer.
- breadlegz0
Sounds like you didn't establish at the start that you are the man... so you can't expect them to listen now.
Learn your lesson !!
- lolmonospaced
- this was a small side job that took 8 hours to complete, and all communication was done through email.iCanHazQBN
- I'm not exactly going to go through a normal, lengthy, or contractual process with this.iCanHazQBN
- "All communication was done through email". For some reason I read 'email' as 'smell' which made that hilarious.identity
- monospaced0
Put her in the trenches; give her your seat and free reign with Indesign/Illustrator.
- omg0
Obviously money is your God.