We are heading into a wall
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- ETM0
C'mon. All the people who keep preaching about oil and get on their high horses and are all "I don't own a car, I use public transportation" or "I bike", or "I drive a hybrid." That is excellent, and we ALL need to do more of that. But that doesn't eliminate your usage or carbon footprint. Gimme a break!! How much plastic shit, boated over from China do you have filling a closet? Do you know how far away your food is shipped? Your clothes? By boat then truck? How about food? 100 mile challenge?... virtually impossible. Most local ecologies can only grow a few types of fruits or vegetables, especially our northern one.
So we ALL need to reduce, but get out of my bloody ear with how we're killing the world while you enjoy your coal generated electricity, natural gas generated heat and type to me on your computer made of plastics (petroleum product) and precious metals (gold, silver) shipped to a dock in China by truck, boated over, then driven to your store or delivered to you door by fuel. It's not realistic. Come up with something real and substantial for people to do. Most of these documentaries just fear monger, not help people change. If we hit a wall in petroleum generation and consumption, how much have you really ACTUALLY done? How much energy do you waste with your computer running while you fap to ScarJo pics? :)
Preach to me by carrier pigeon when you are picking berries in the woods and snaring rabbits, wearing a loin cloth that wasn't made in Bangladesh and I will afford you all the credit and merit I can offer.
Until then, lets all do realistic carbon reduction methods that actually help and not preach BS that achieves nothing. I am guilty of EVERYTHING I mention above, I recognize that. I work to reduce that. Drive less, buy less consumer goods, more local products. But in the end, you can;t live a modern lifestyle and not be a hyprocrit. Best recognize that.
End rant.
- you lost me at carbon footprint,
now I'll go kill myself a dolphinGeorgesIV
- you lost me at carbon footprint,
- ukit20
Look on the bright side, even if we are destroying the world's resources and reducing it to an uninhabitable hellhole, at least all of us were born at exactly the right time to reap all the gains from this orgy of resource depletion. If it's all downhill from here then by any rational measure we are living at the best time in human history.
We're the equivalent of the guy who has taken multiple doses of coke and ecstasy on a reckless bender across town at three in the morning. Our kids and/or grand kids will be the same guy the morning after with a severe hangover and multiple court summons.
- i_monk0
Nobody talks about peak food.
- ESKEMA0
The point of the movie is not about oil moderation, it's about Exponential Growth. There's no room for everyone at this rate.
- As my earlier post stated. They said the same thing in the 70's, both about food and oil.ETM
- Said we couldn't possibly sustain 6 billion and we are at over 7 now.ETM
- But this is getting bigger and bigger.... Too much humanz on this tiny Earth, its exponantialbenfal99
- ETM's logic is we were wrong in the 70s and we are still wrong and will ever be.benfal99
- Not true. you can fit the whole planets population in australia easy..yurimon
- Lol, right. Good luck with the W.C.benfal99
- No my logic is that projections are often wrong. There are many more. 70's was a recent one.ETM
- The 70's was also a peak of energy consumption and pollution. It's a good reference.ETM
- Don;t be afraid to learn some fucking history before forming your band wagon opinions (per normal).ETM
- benfal990
Eskema is right, the point is exponential growth. Thats exactly what happend on Easter Island at a very small scale, too much people used too much ressources leading to a collapse of the society and extinction (see Jared Diamond theory)
- easter island? i'm not saying it was aliens..._niko
- benfal, you know that's only a theory right?.. and this planet is a lot fuckn bigger than easter island... anyways, I'll log off nowGeorgesIV
- http://files.aboveto…ETM
- the tree/resource theory was nearly debunked, actuallymonospaced
- zarkonite0
"Ok. We are all right then. Oil is good and agriculture and all the ressources are perfectly managed. Cant wait for the new iPhone! :D"
Ben, is there no room at all for subtlety in your opinion? We're either totally fucked or we're going to be perfectly ok?? you sound like George W. Bush.
There are definitely some challenges with the way we manage our economy and utilize resources but we have the capacity to modify our ways and innovate on other fronts, there's no impeding doom because everyone wants to survive and when faced with problems we have so far managed to last a few thousand years.
- I think that was sarcasm, or whatever it's called..ESKEMA
- zarkonite0
Actually, the human population is perfectly sustainable. Unless you want to argue with Hans Rosling.
http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_ro…We are also consuming less energy per capita then we were 20 years ago, there are TONNES of assumptions and outright factual errors in this "documentary". I'd call it more an opinion piece or propaganda film personally...
- ETM0
Whatever. You know they were saying the same thing when our parents were young. In the 70's it was all about, not enough oil or energy, population is growing too large, there will be no food. They said the planet couldn't support 6 billion people (in the 70's it was about 4.5 billion). Now we're at 7.5 billion.
- Don't forget the 30's.ETM
- *.7.1 billion, not 7.5.ETM
- well numbers and short timelines are fascinating but at some point, in the long run, something's gotta give imoprophetone
- That can be said of anything AND everything. Pretty blanket statement.ETM
- it is a blanket statement but it rings true. take a step back for a minute and look at this place.prophetone
- we're in a pickle, the question is how far into the future do we get toothpick'd to the sandwich?prophetone
- Well, I am curious, what's your plan? What are you doing? Any suggestions for us?ETM
- prophetone0
i've always felt this way. times heals all with regard to the planet. yes, we're wrecking it, but if we were to vanish tomorrow it would heal itself.
what we need to be worried about is the ability to sustain human life in the long run. we have always been headed in a bad direction - one that should wake people up one day in the future when we're all like, 'oh all that sh*t we did there means all the bees are dead whoops, now we have no crops which means we can't feed the animals as well. oh, i guess nobody eats. the end.'
- pango0
let's get laid?
- ETM0
Most of these types of projections are flawed as they use current and near future data and models. However, technology and methods evolve throwing these models from their predictive curve, one way or the other. Predicting future consumption, terms and limits based on current ideals is flawed to begin with. It's all we have, as we can't see the future, but time and time again we have proven expectations wrong (both in the positive and negative).
By no means does that mean throw caution to the wind and abandon responsibility, but simply that many of these predictive studies and docs are another form of fear mongering, if not though, for a far more noble cause.
- shhhhhht,
ze computer told us we're going to destroy the planet!! like BOOOOOMMMGeorgesIV
- shhhhhht,
- ohhhhhsnap0
who is "we"?
- ETM0
A good example of speculation over what actually happened (however US demand did increase in 2013).
- prophetone0
Agreed, really, advances in tech are certainly going to solve many probs related diseases, food shortages, our ability to live longer lives etc.
So maybe hitting the wall may never come, or it will be a few steps from us but thanks to the above we can avoid smacking into it.
However, "By no means does that mean throw caution to the wind and abandon responsibility..." Well, we kinda have been doing that for the last hundred years don'cha think? Fact is, we give more and more 'power' to worldwide, faceless organizations that just love throwing caution to the wind b/c $$. "We'll just apologize later."
'Hey, it's just a river, get your drinking water from somewhere else. A little crude oil won't hurt anyone. Fish somewhere else. Hey guys how about we build these sweet reactors next to the ocean in the middle of an earthquake zone?'
I feel like these are the things that will return to bite us in the ass. Sh*t is adding up, albeit slowly for the most part. Is pointing that type of thing out fear mongering? Some days yes. I think it's more of an old-fashioned way of looking at things w/o getting caught up in predictions and projections.
We are fools to think we will never have to eventually 'pay the piper.'
Also, as a side note, probs mother nature is going to have the last laugh regardless of our efforts to stay safe 'n cozy on the planet. Maybe it's a new viral outbreak we can't fight or a volcano that creates a wintery globe for a few decades, effectively killing most of us. Whatever it may be, we are not as in control as we would like to think. Just an opinion.
- As a society, we are FAR more responsible than 200 years ago with the industrial revolution.ETM
- Believe it or not, less ignorant or oblivious, though it may not feel that way.ETM
- indeed, but now we can destroy an ecosystem by forgetting to have our coffee and not pishing that buttonprophetone
- so better yes but easier to muck things up in a hurry and in a big wayprophetone
- or... in the case of fukushima, mother nature took care of that for usprophetone
- prophetone0
BTW, I am considering developing a line of children's books entitled 'It's Fun for Now, But We're All Toast'
- introduction by Debbie Downer.ETM
- she's not available :(prophetone
- Waa-waaETM
- lol
Probably a market for that bookukit2 - kickstarter it. I will fund for whole series.meffid
- benfal990
Seriously watch the full video.
The facts are all there. This is pure logical mathematics.- save this video and look at it in 15 years for the lolGeorgesIV
- but... but pure logical mathematics is Science, and you already accused us of putting too much hope in that. WTF?monospaced
- lolETM
