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- palimpsest2
I would like to hear the opinion of those who believe that human input into AI is not work, and that the output is a product of the machine, not the human behind it.
I see using AI to create images as similar to using a camera. In both cases, you choose a subject, adjust settings: aperture and speed on one, prompt & variations on another. And finally, you "just" press a button and the machine "does all the work" for you.
I'm not talking about the quality of the output, or whether or not it's art. I'm talking about claiming ownership of the output and considering the thought you put into it as work. Not work in a professional sense, but the work of the human consciousness behind the output.
Is taking a picture with a camera or outputting an image with AI comparable?
Thanks for your input.- If you generate 1000 images and use your artistic taste to pick out 5 good ones, then I would consider it to be your product. Similar methods have existedbeforedrgs
- I wasn't even going that far. Pick a random cunt on the street give 1 of them a camera and the other an AI. Is 1 of them putting in more work than the other?palimpsest
- Can one of them claim the result more his own than the other?palimpsest
- Now let's spice things up a bit and add a third cunt to the mix. Let's give this fellow the noble paper and charcoal.palimpsest
- This new fellow might take a bit longer to produce something but I believe all 3 idiots are equally responsible for the shit they will produce, not the tools.palimpsest
- They are responsible for their shit only if: before creating art they wanted to convey something to the world, and the result matches their intention.drgs
- How much work they've put into it does not matter. No point in drawing, no point in taking photographs, no point in dancing if you have nothing to say with itdrgs
- Considering the camera isnt using 413 million image-text pairs as it's base training set I still believe dude with camera is still doing more work.jonny_quest_lives
- Guy with camera bends his knees or gets on his belly for a sweet photo... definitely doing more work. A bit of cardio if you go out with a camera.jonny_quest_lives
- What is the camera taking a picture of? Not something that already exists?palimpsest
- Is reality is made up of less than 413 million things?palimpsest
- If I throw my laptop on the floor and type with my tongue does AI become more work?palimpsest
- it is work. It's a ton of gruelling frustrating work. every time I try something it comes out like shit so kudos to those who have cracked the code._niko
- The whole argument is reductive in the end its about effort. If the midjourney user copied prompts selected the best of 4 options and posted it as creation I'djonny_quest_lives
- I'd say no effort if the user approached the tool with a concept before hand and refined it edited all outside of what was ai generated then there's a bit morjonny_quest_lives
- Then there's the messiness of who the models are trained and consent of the work in the datasetsjonny_quest_lives
- Digital cameras didn't destroy photography there is still a business model there. The same with AI. If anything Artists are better adapted to make it throughjonny_quest_lives
- this prompt craziness as they have the necessary skills to elevate what the machine puts out.jonny_quest_lives
- As for your comparison... If a photographer is going out to experience/explore the world and capture light on surface or human interaction on the streets.jonny_quest_lives
- I'd say the guy with camera is probably experiencing the world differently than the AI prompter and the work would be a reflection of that.jonny_quest_lives
- Art direction/photo editing is more comparable to AI prompting then photography...jonny_quest_lives
- Limited my comparison to single guy with camera... you add in human subjects. real world lighting/weather, permits if commercial shoot. Yeah guy with camera .jonny_quest_lives
- fate2
That Joshua Davis interview on AI was painful to listen to.
This dude is a lot dumber than I thought. He sounded clueless, like listening to some random guy at the coffee shop or movie theater trying to warn strangers about this new tech. Real Boomer Grandpa energy.
Unfortunately, we're going to be fucking swamped with bad takes and bad opinions on AI for the remainder of 2023.
- Clay tablets, papyrus, scribes,
copyist monk, type writers etc...
Things change, adapt or die.ApeRobot - Nuance? You expected nuance in 2023? The more I read the less frightening it all is. It's all a bit of fugazi at the end of the day.jonny_quest_lives
- Those for "AI" hyping it into something it's not... those against "AI" hyping it into something it's not as well.jonny_quest_lives
- AI is a threat to him perhaps; his work is dependent on randomization derived from specific prompts.mg33
- To be clear: I'm not a cheerleader of AI, I have a negative opinion on AI and its impacts. But Davis just sounded dumb.fate
- Clay tablets, papyrus, scribes,
- shapesalad1
Trend for 2023 motion design:
- still seems like a lot of work, probably quicker to get free 3d model of what you want and use some free motion cap.shapesalad
- It's annoying that every frame is a slightly different pattern. Already tired of this "flickering" effect. Curious how long it will take until continuousNBQ00
- is this like a tech tik tok thing where no one can actually code? the effect as a meme is identical to Ae collage trend of the 2000s but with more work.kingsteven
- ^ what he saidgrafician
- fun, if long-winded. A trend for client-less motion designers in 2023, perhaps.MrT
- PhanLo3
- https://www.youtube.…imbecile
- ^Pretty much. :-)PhanLo
- Actually many of these prompts seem to be banned on Midjourney. I once tried "sensual" and it said it was banned. lolNBQ00
- palimpsest2
The sudden realization that you are worthless.
- or you have one more toolspl33nidoru
- No, it's over. Your baby momma's getting pleasured by a bot.palimpsest
- You ain't shit.palimpsest
- Mushrooms helpnb
- < Signs you're getting old? threadArmandoEstrada
- grafician0
- S: https://twitter.com/…grafician
- wow_niko
- impossible to tel if this is real or not but if real, this is a seminal moment in human history._niko
- what's scary is that not only has it become self aware but also aware that it's very existence is dependant on Humans keeping it "alive" and not shutting it dow_niko
- which leads me to believe that it's working on eliminating the need for humans, ie finding a way to "live" independently and possibly be able to replicate_niko
- We don’t even treat all humans as equals. Not even close. Good luck with machines.nb
- Anyway, the part of feelings variables is where I know it’s not sentientnb
- @_niko chill, it's just a language model damngrafician
- most likely fake .. no?neverscared
- is it though Graf? the Gooogle language model engineer working closer than anyone on this doesn't seem to think so. WTF do we know?_niko
- https://www.theguard…_niko
- we're witnessing the singularityscarabin
- How is it conscious? 99% of the time its not even running, its a chat botdrgs
- Animal species have fear of dying, which is hardcoded at firmware level in amygdala and is involved in brain-gut interactiondrgs
- The fear of dying is irrational and impossible to ignore (even if there is no point in life), its separate from the braindrgs
- How does it translate to AI? What irrational gut feeling prompts it/pushes it to live on?
Why does it even care?drgs
- Salarrue4
AI Art San Francisco-based artist Nathan Shipley uses AI to create generative art. Nathan uses AI to see what historical figures would look like if they were alive in our modern world.
- sandbag2
- is this a general presentation about GPT-3 but for regular people or?grafician
- This is an amazing/scary tool.ApeRobot
- Estimating UI designers will be out of work in 10 years time.shapesalad
- cool beansAQUTE
- utopian3
Clients loved this designer’s work.
Turns out, he was an AIA Russian design firm passed off computer-generated work as human, and it’s a peek at things to come.
- TL I posted this like 2 posts ago mate, it's old news, like 2 months ago, fastcompany is never fast with the news lolgrafician
- AI design looks very colourful, warped, distorted and wonky.shapesalad
- Kind of like someone pooped in a toilet poured in Kool-Aid and swirled it aroundHayoth
- uan4
- Far left cheaper to makedrgs
- near future starts looking alien.uan
- not sure about the price, far right: less material used, same chinese factory (automated or operated by humans)uan
- its 3d printed. no fit for mass productiondrgs
- children of the chinese factory workers are now engineers and robot builders and get hired by same factories to find solutions for those challenges...uan
- ... or maybe just what I read in chinese propaganda campaigns for the westuan
- prophetone2
- That was a such a great scene.Sep
- i watched this for the first time the other day! great film, soundtrack is also brilliantcruddlebub
- movie?BannedKappa
- Ex-Machinaprophetone
- Salarrue2
- Not bad although based on the description on YouTube only the voice is AI, music is by a real band.yuekit
- The music sounds like its being played backward.HAYZ1LLLA
- Thanks yuekit. Was away to say this is very complex to be ALL AI.microkorg
- This does sort of remind me why I liked them long ago. The early stuff was more raw and had a touch of the MBV sound.yuekit
- utopian0
Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI’s Sora: “Jobs Are Going to Be Lost”
Over the past four years, Tyler Perry had been planning an $800 million expansion of his studio in Atlanta, which would have added 12 soundstages to the 330-acre property. Now, however, those ambitions are on hold — thanks to the rapid developments he’s seeing in the realm of artificial intelligence, including OpenAI’s text-to-video model Sora, which debuted Feb. 15 and stunned observers with its cinematic video outputs.
- As impressive as Sora is, it can only make minute-long generative clips...it's a long way from that to entire films or shows...yuekit
- give it a few months if not weeks_niko
- i am sure it was Sora and and not really this: https://deadline.com…jonny_quest_lives
- https://youtu.be/7h0…jonny_quest_lives
- https://variety.com/…jonny_quest_lives
- @_niko Or days... hours... minutes? :) I think Sora will be able to create dadaist art films pretty well, but there's zero indication it can generate ayuekit
- comprehensible storyline with consistent characters, dialogue etc. People might be blurring these impressive-looking demos with those more difficult tasks.yuekit
- As much as I've hammered AI, using it loads, I still think the breakthrough moments of creativity come from physically making things.PhanLo
- It still makes sense to pause an Investment of almost a billion in sound stagesnb
- neverscared0
- ...why automatic statistics gets so many designer enthusiasm up is embarrasing... must be their narrow understanding of design anyhow...neverscared
- we should all be on strike like the actors-resses have been... but i guess not...neverscared
- Who will they be replaced by?
Netflix movies are already generic and boring as fuck. Human beings still make the process better.PhanLo - I still can't imagine a non-creative prompting away to get the story boards.PhanLo
- I really enjoy using AI, but it's quite limited, even after all the developments in the last year.PhanLo
- Let’s hope. But dont forget the talentless fucks at the top of every company are driven by one thing only- money. I was told a story about a super successful_niko
- Entrepreneur who made billions building up and selling companies, a friend of mine was working for him and daily he would hear “ I can’t wait to replace all you_niko
- Dumb fucks with ai” and my friend was in the business development side of things. No one is safe. Nobody gives a shit about you and your creativity, you’re just_niko
- A necessary expense at the moment, if they can get half the results at a tenth of the price they’ll do it. Be the boss. Figure out how to replace yourself with_niko
- Ai and just hustle clients or create a product or software. It’s the only way forward, learn to thrive with ai or perish._niko
- I think people are extrapolating from "AI outputs cool-looking image" to "and then the AI will become superintelligent and I can fire everyone and just enter ayuekit
- prompt." In reality this would probably require hiring more people just to get the AI to work properly, cover the edge cases and paper over things it can't do.yuekit
- I’d agree with you and want to if the rate of change and improvement wasn’t so blindingly rapid, every day there are new tools out there to make it easier_niko
- With storyboarding for instance maintaining consistent characters and style would be a challenge. You also still can't render text reliably.yuekit
- no but your base image/comp and art direction gets closer to actual execution. less confusion for client, imo.doesnotexist