Scottish independence
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- detritus0
Hmm, sounds like a bad case of insularity to me - you're intent on shutting down Scots trade and keeping Scottish produce for the Scots?
I'm not sure that's a recipe for a strong, economically-viable Scotland.
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btw, you do appreciate that back in the bad old days (by which I mean, still when I was a kid), there was a Very Good reason for Britain's maintenance of a nuclear capability (one that isn't quite as tied to American oversight as you've been led to believe, we keep our own keys — we'd just have problems getting our hands on more nukes if we used them like assholes. We do maintain the capability of using them like assholes though) and that's a reason that even in today's much less fraught climate, we can't 100% guarantee isn't needed.
Personally, I'd offload nuke capability to some Euro-level structure.
I believe it is naive for the world's largest trading bloc to not have what is seen, rightly or wrongly, as the Ultimate guarantee of peace and military might.
That France and Britain, along with America, maintain this capability on their own shoulders is in the medium to long-term, the aspect that needs addressing.
You might not like them, but they exist and there are other assholes in the world who are bigger assholes than us our the 1% we so loathe in London.
“let he that desires peace prepare for war” and all that.
- Actually, I think we should get rid of nukes entirely, secretly, and just continue pretending we have them.detritus
- if it ever got out, it could set off a disarms raceFax_Benson
- Civilisation's growth from the very start has been based on trade. Egypt without the trade river wouldn't have existed.sem
- I think it's called the Nile.detritus
- kingkong0
Im still very angry about when they divided up Lancashire in the 70's.
The greatest county in Britain stretched from Liverpool to Keswick. If it was still one administrative area, Lancashire would be as big as London financially and population wise.
my scouse granny still uses lancashire on her address.
FREEDOM
- its not really a happy union generally - half of it want to be alone.fadein11
- Everyone's just, quite rightfully, very anti-South East England.detritus
- It's a squalid shitpit of French- flavoured cretinitude, so it's held in low regard quite rightfully, imho.detritus
- I think we should just boot out Kent from the Union and stick London on the leash.detritus
- Maybe push Essex out into the North Sea too. Not give it to anyone, just leave it there and hope it withers and dies.detritus
- Lancashire blowsWhiteFace
- I've lived north, south East, South west plus listened to all the drivel coming out of the Scottish Yes types and the one thing we've all got in common - every fucker thinks they're best.Wolfboy
- and the one thing we've all got in common - every fucker thinks they're best.Wolfboy
- sem0
^ My Grandad was born and raised in Liverpool but moved to London for work and after a good few years went back to see family and got into a big fight in a pub for sounding southern.
The hate towards the south is bread into some people much like religion or hate for a towns rival football team etc. The whole US vs THEM mentality gets society nowhere. Its such a backward and dated way of thinking, people really need to evolve from it and focus on more important things.
- sem0
Also on the "everyone has a right to hate London" argument. Just a little something in the Financial Times some might want to read.
"On productivity, the capital is unchallenged. Official figures show inner London productivity levels – as measured by GVA per hour worked – at 44 per cent above the UK average in 2011"
- do you define society by productivity?lowimpakt
- The money men do, which is why they're so keen to encourage economic migration, at the expense of locals.detritus
- ..locals.detritus
- Not just productivity no, but feel free to read the rest of the article. I'm saying LDN earns its keep and above.sem
- i can't get past the paywall but I know GVA her head stats have been criticised in the past. They include people that commute to regionslowimpakt
- http://www.parliamen…lowimpakt
- lowimpakt0
apparently Cardiff is the best place to live in the UK anyway.
"Britain's best cities revealed... and the winner might surprise you" (Sept 2014)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-…Cardiff 'best city' in UK for young adults says poll (Oct 2013)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales…- Says at the top "thanks to low cost of living" further proving my point for Bumdizzle.sem
- rosko_picachu0
- When the hell was this filmed?!
https://www.youtube.…detritus - first colour film shot in UKlowimpakt
- NewsNet faked the film. BBC standards wouldn't have fixed that loq freq hum, my friend does that as a jobsem
- More proof that Rosko is desperate for valid proof that he will resort to fake youtube videos.sem
- It was edited also he didn't even move his lips when saying 'Sovereignty' loool Rosko give upsem
- 2 days ago
rosko_picachu
- When the hell was this filmed?!
- sem0
^ Its worrying that people believe fake edited footage like the above over actual CEO, Bank Managers etc on respectable news sources.
I mean, the guy didn't even open his lips on the last word lool such shit editing. And as if the BBC would not have cleaned up the sound etc.
Some people are willing to lead their own country into a lie, its crazy!
- See the amount of effort some will go to though? seriously mental shit to spread lies about the BBC. Nutters.sem
- rosko_picachu0
For those who commented about the lip synching issue.
- sem0
Just to prove I'm not pro Tory etc and that I'm just defending the rest of the 99% in London getting hate for costs etc.
This is something I fully agree needs to be stopped.
http://www.theguardian.com/polit…
- rabbit0
Borders, along with religion, are possibly mankind's biggest mistakes.
- < THIS.lowimpakt
- Ideally, sure - I mean, if you're happy to ignore our entire evolutionary history.detritus
- *checks rabbit's hair for salt grain morsels to nibble on*detritus
- https://www.youtube.…lowimpakt
- Interdependence FTW!!!! Rabbit gets it!sem
- The border doesn't change though, either way. As in it will be exactly in the same place
rosko_picachu - Rabbits point went straight over Rosko's head.sem
- and money!********
- lowimpakt0
- The funnest joke is that some actually base their political views on the information comedians feed them.sem
- really? do you have any evidence of that?lowimpakt
- I think this thread has proven to some extent :Psem
- em, no it hasn't.lowimpakt
- Tell that to Colbert and Stewart and the American people.detritus
- <sem
- Fucking funny that...Rolf Harris sniffer dog had me in fits...babaganush
- sem0
Global Interdependence > Any Independence.
- One of his advisors stiglits nobel winning economist has rubbished the NO campaigns currency union stancechossy
- Prof Stiglitz's is entitled to his opinion however it would be a step away from Interdependence. So not sure Clinton would agree.sem
- that his old boss would agree with his advise there. He advised Clinton in 2001, this is more recent Clinton's view.sem
- This is the "I don't need to please anyone anymore so here's my honest opinion" Clintonsem
- rosko_picachu0
Sir Ian
Before the referendum,
During the referendum......
- detritus0
I'd suggest it would be important to know whether or not Sir Ian Wood intends to vote / spoil his vote before assuming everything he states is without impartiality.
It's enough to know the above, rather than which side he prefers.
- ‘I'd suggest’, lol, like i'm fucking anything other than a midge's fart.detritus
- rosko_picachu0
Fracking contracts....who did he vote for at the last one?
It's political.
"His report actually used figures from the UK Government's own Department of Energy and Climate Change.
DECC had estimated three figures; 12bn - 24bn and an upper figure of 35bn barrels. Yes, the UK Government's own department believes there is still 35bn barrels of oil to be recovered."
This being a report signed off and recognized by the conservative government. Essentially you can easily misguide it by stating the lowest possible figure, which all changes.
Bearing in mind BP have also geographical reports that their is oil on two sites in the west coast.
- chossy0
sem you should stop this.
You just went off again bizzarely talking about faked footage said newsnet scotland faked it talked about audio hum talked about lips not moving your pal does this it's an obvious fake oh my god you are being led into a lie.
Then rosko posts another version and you say oh thank god I was worried someone had bothered to fake it, next time use a better source.....
Like I said before you are just bizzare, your mind is an imbroglio of noise, confusion, reactionary twaddle and chuffa.
- No mate, I said my mate fixes audio for BBC and they remove audio hum and clear audio from footage.sem
- And that it was more likely that it was edited from other footage given the quality and the lip sync issue it LOOKED to have had.sem
- I was corrected on the lip sync thing when a more reliable source was given and admitted that.sem
- _niko0
What happens when this so called oil runs out? come crying back to England? And it's not like they found a clean source of renewable energy or anything, just going to burn that shit and fuck up the planet even further...but i guess it's better than england doing the same thing
- chossy0
It would be great if everyone stopped saying England. Wales and NI would love to be included being that they make up about 6 million or so people as part of the UK.
No we wouldn't, we have what is called a diverse economy, look at it like biodiversity, when one species dies out another similar species will fulfil it's role this is the triumph that Scotland has, our economy is extremely diverse for such a small nation more so than any other country on the planet.
Scotlands ONSHORE GDP (meaning without oil) per head is £300 a year less than the rest of the UK.
However you would believe that we are in a quite unique situation that we cannot possibly cope.
You are in cleaveland it would appear, in America, Do you have any regrets about the past when your ancestors FOUGHT for independence from British rule?
- You can't choose a centuries old issue such as fighting British rule without considering other issues in context. >babaganush
- Things like the Darien scheme
http://en.m.wikipedi…babaganush - Scotland's failed attempt to forge independent economic prosperity that saw them want back into the union on the verge of bankruptcybabaganush
- If you cute age old battles you are subject to age old case histories of economic failurebabaganush
