Scottish independence
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- chossy0
Daft eh?
- rosko_picachu0
I dare you to watch this.
- microkorg0
Was in Glasgow today. Buchanan Street is chocca with YES and NO campaigners, folk running about with scottish flags. Bedlam!
Tomorrow there's seemingly an anti-BBC protest happening.
- bumdrizzle0
Sorry sem, wasn't ducking your facts and sourced articles - quick trip to amsterdam for the weekend (great city btw, €5 to get a fast train directly into town from one of the busiest airports in Europe).
Anyway, not to continue a pointless argument, but the figures I posted about infrastructure spending were about infrastructure spending. If you want to talk about something other than infrastructure spending that's cool, but you have to put on your big boy pants and realise that infrastructure spending is not the same as house prices, or cost of living or benefit spending.
Just say though, you cant counter one argument with a completely different one, even if you do post facts and sourced articles (who knew the London underground was old).
- rosko_picachu0
"The British state has sent its big guns to Scotland, and found them overwhelmed by a movement of a thousand butterflies."
- lowimpakt0
"infrastructure spending is not the same as house prices, or cost of living or benefit spending. "
but there is a direct and indirect relationship between infrastructure spending and house prices. Crossrail was estimated to increase property values by £5.5 billion http://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/… (obviously great for already wealthy landlords but not less well off residents)
The idea that london deserves more spending because it's more productive isn't true but there are lots of reasons why it does draw in more investment that rest of the UK.
- you know fine well he had no grasp of what he was saying. which was not that.bumdrizzle
- bumdrizzle0
Sure, I pointed out that infrastructure spending (per head, not in total) was massively beneficial to London and the south east. Countering that with London is expensive, house prices are higher and the underground is old isn't really adding anything to the argument.
Nobody is suggesting that London isn't a net contributor.
Also, sem is clearly an idiot that thinks benefit spending has anything to do with the cost of decommissioning power plants.
- of all the factors leading to higher prices in London the corrupt money laundering is the most interesting.lowimpakt
- what is the impact of these investment/launderin... properties on the rest of us? http://www.rightmove…lowimpakt
- lowimpakt0
(speculation)
If bigger supermarkets start to leave Scotland or their prices increase to a degree that they are less attractive to people, could that mean more money will circulate within the Scottish economy (as opposed to shareholders outside scotland) because more money is being spent in local businesses?
- rosko_picachu0
Well this is where the next "movement" comes into play post Independence.
Link won't work in here, but check this out anyway.
- rosko_picachu0
It's also a stitch up to have changed the sea border, before SNP came into power in Scotland. It effects the GDP and allows assholes to distort the economics. Every day we get another layer upon layer of how outdated and easily corrupted the system is.
- qoob0
Latest polls seem to show that "no" is leading...we'll find out soon
- qoob0
- That's a poll that was made by Better Together. My feeling is it's extremely inaccuraterosko_picachu
- kingkong0
- You know they are clutching at straws when they have to stick Barrhead Travel on the list.rosko_picachu
- lols at roskohans_glib
- rosko_picachu0
First on the list Bob Dudley.
The oil boss received $8.7m (£5.2m) in salary, bonus and share awards last year, according to the company's annual report, compared with $2.6m in 2012.
When contributions to his PENSION were included, Dudley, 58, got $13.2m for 2013 and has already accumulated a retirement package worth $2m a year.
said a BP spokesman. "The great majority of his potential pay is directly dependent on BP's performance in areas essential both to the delivery of the company's strategy and to the long-term interests of its shareholders."
So how does he go about doing this:
Dudley has already disposed of around $40bn of assets and in October BP said that it expected to sell off a further $10bn of assets by the end of 2015, with the proceeds largely used to fund share buybacks.
Interests in company strategy and "long-term" interests of his shareholders, not the people of Scotland.
- ...or the people of England, Ireland, Wales, America......corpora... don't give a fuck about peoplerosko_picachu
- kingkong0
Rosko, you do realise there will still be rich people in scotland after independence?
To much of this conversation has been about rich v poor. Scotland won't be an egalitarian paradise you know... It will be just like it is now, only the poor will be poorer, and the rich will live in Newcastle.
All of the 'fairer, more just etc' rhetoric is just bullshit, especially coming from Salmond.
- I just meant you could go through that list dig into their behavior and how they get free reign to rig the system. It's really unregulated trader dealing, vs a hope for a less corrupt system.rosko_picachu
- kingkong0
and most likely all the rich English people will buy up a load of Scottish property when prices tank in a few weeks.
- Maybe you should go and look at what caused house prices to crash in Americarosko_picachu
- Wolfboy0
@kingkong
The boat has sailed on rational balanced thinking on this issue.
I was talking to a Scottish Yes voting friend of mine and I asked him how he would feel if they lost the vote and he found himself a minority in the country that he tells me he and his fellow Yes voters truly represent - the peoples voice! I pointed out that the polls are showing the race roughly at 50/50% and if anything it's a couple of % towards the No vote.
He got angry, wouldn't answer the question, told me the REAL figure stands at something like 70/30% yes and of course blaimed media bias and bullying.
Admittedly that's a pretty extreme example of head in the sand, but my point is I think the vote is so close to happening now that anyone who has decided is not going to change their minds now. They're just too emotionally charged.
Which means it's all coming down to the undecideds.
I really hope that means a No vote, after all if the Yes campaign hasn't provided the answers they need to make such a huge step thus far, so they aren't going to provide them in the next couple of days. Even today Salmond is still just crapping on like a broken record about scaremongering and bullying instead of the facts the undecided surely desire.
- I read this with a Scottish accentrobotron3k
- What have the conservative party promised? Another £15billion worth of austerity cuts while we take on more debt? Are No going to mention that one?rosko_picachu
- ...debt. Or increased cost to buy drugs in bulk via privatizationrosko_picachu
