QBNners in Turkey !!
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- _niko0
somebody is going to start calling this a big conspiracy. looked so staged, no blood, they took the russian away, "died" in hospital, no body, turkish cop didn't get shot, putin set this up to destabalize turey etc, etc
- Gnash0
http://www.independent.co.uk/new…
Turkey could join bloc with Russia and China instead of EU, President Erdogan says
Mr Erdogan said he had already discussed the idea with Russian President Vladimir Putin- Makes sense, I suppose. The EU doesn't want Turkey as a member.
Fill your boots, Erdogan, if it makes you happy.Continuity
- Makes sense, I suppose. The EU doesn't want Turkey as a member.
- Beeswax1
@Hijo
Last night they got some info that there might be another attempt in Adana, where incirlik airbase is.
The coup night Turkish tanker aircrafts have taken off from here to refuel F-16s that got commanded by a coup commander.That got AKP government mad despite Americans have no control over Turkish Airforce planes that fly on and off this airbase.
I don't think there was a real threat last night, it seemed like just a show off to US Marine Corps general Joseph Dunford who arrived to Incirlik base to have talks with Turkish PM today.
I think Turkish gov is trying to use Gulen factor as a diplomatic leverage. Since US doesn't accept to expel him.
Regardless of US having a role in all of this, AKP is trying to say that US is to blame in both cases.This is my guess since AKP's paid twitter trolls have trended the hashtag #YankeeGoHome today.
- eryx0
@Beeswax
From your last post it seems the main issue is the need for strong leadership in order to not create a power vacuum which would result in a divide in fundamentalist and non-fundamentalist islamic groups. Is Erdogan the guy to do this? I am also wondering how secular is he? Also you seem to have an issue with the idea of “puppet country” being created if there is a Kurdistan. If the West is not involved in the shaping of this new country who would be the alternative? There seem to be a ton of Fundamentalist countries that are very powerful in the region that would push for a islamic state and frankly I think a lot of western countries fear that to the point that they will try and influence any change in the region as much as they can.
I have never been to that region of the world and everything that I do know about the area is filtered by western media so I really do no know much about life there. But what I understand is that there is a big fear of islam in the west both by secular and non-secular people. I don’t think the motivation of the west would be to turn Turkey or the proposed Kurdistan “Christian”. Rather I think the motivation would be to keep it from becoming fundamentalist state.
Again I might be talking out of my ass but I would like to hear your insights into this. Really interesting having your perspective on this, thanks for sharing.
- I think it's pretty well known Erdogan is an Islamic hardliner. And Islam seems to like how things were way back when. So I assume he'll go in that direction.robotron3k
- maquito1
One step forward and 1.000.000 steps back, world's gone to shit.
- detritus0
Eish.. beheadings on the bridge over the Bosphorus and some nasty footage of people vs. tanks on LiveLeak. i hope for his own soul and conscience that Erdogan wasn't behind this.
The whole affair seems remakably underconsidered and ineffectual otherwise though - what were they thinking?
- Bennn0
Also today, it has been officially stated that there's no proofs of the implication of the Saudis in the 9/11 attack.... victims families were in court on this since years and classified documents has been released today...
What a week!
- Also US gave permission for UN troops to intervene in other nations.yurimon
- HijoDMaite0
@beeswax
wtf? reports are conflicting all over the place. some saying coup is over it failed but i'm seeing live reports that parliament in Ankara was bombed from air and that coup helicopter is still flying over the capital.
- There's one helicopter flying around and shooting at the parliament building but it hasn't been shot down for two hours and TV channels are broadcasting it liveBeeswax
- utopian0
- Just when we thought it was over now the website of Turkish Military announced that they seized the country.Beeswax
- I'm expecting Erdogan will show up ona channel in 10 minutes and will say that everything is in order and Government is still the head of the country.Beeswax
- I'm watching CNN Turk and they are broadcasting an empty studio with some yelling in the background.Beeswax
- Gnash0
He (Erdogan)said that the coup attempt was the work of followers of Fethullah Gulen, an Islamic preacher who lives in exile in Pennsylvania, and who once was an ally of Mr. Erdogan.
http://www.nytimes.com/live/turk…Article from 2 days ago:
New Ties Emerge Between Clinton And Mysterious Islamic Cleric
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/1…- Pretty fucked if true. Strange coincidence with the article and what's looking like a well orchestrated coup.IRNlun6
- pablo280
- nah. there's a million other beefs the Turkish military might have with Erdogansarahfailin
- sarahfailin0
"The US secretary of state John Kerry says he hopes there will be peace, stability and unity within Turkey amid reports that a military coup is underway." -- Seems like he's not too broken up about it; hopes it will be over quickly?
- lowimpakt0
actually, now that i think of it, beeswax is in greece?
- IRNlun60
Coup attempt within the second largest NATO force, this is intense.
- applauseclause0
historically, these coups in turkey always were a change for the better.
hoping for as little bloodshed as possible.