RIP Fidel Castro
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- bliznutty3
- Where can I get the deal with it shades?CyBrainX
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- _niko5
He also spent 10% of their GDP on education. the US spends 2%. Imagine what the US could do by spending 5x more on education. Probably a lot less of the socio-ecconimical, class and race issues that they have.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Educ…
Keep poor white folk uneducated. give them their bibles and their confederate flags. Keep poor black people uneducated, give them crack and hiphop. It keeps gun sales soaring and fills up prisons. All the murder and mayhem keeps hospitals and lawyers in business. Sell them 2 gallon cokes and double downs then sell them motorized scooters to move their fat asses around.
which is the brutal regime?
Life expectancy
Cuba
79.07 years
United States of America
78.74 years (75 for blacks)- just pointing out some positives, not saying that life is better in Cuba than in the US, but for some, especially the poor it could be._niko
- Oops, the communist got his feelings hurt when his mass murdering hero died that you had to resort to a bunch of...Hayoth
- Name calling and opinions.Hayoth
- Funny how the communist left can't call a brutal dictator a murderer and spends every breath defending evil! Sick!Hayoth
- lol. this post is a joke.
comunism = cancer.pablo28 - *communismpablo28
- Conservative black and white thinking makes me giggle.Continuity
- Especially since most of it is a projection of butthurt at never having been able to effectively colonise Cuba because someone was smarter than you.Continuity
- Hayoth be mad triggered by all of this.face_melter
- communism is inevitabledrgs
- niko thinks hes more informed on the subject because he's been there as a tourist. why not talk the to millions of cubans who have been effected by castrohotroddy
- their ranches, hotels, casinos all expropriated only to be opened back up to for niko, beyonce and jayz. the very imperialist gringos they once resented.hotroddy
- but this time around the owners are corrupt military officials living the life of luxary while the commonar has to prostitute themselves for 2 dollars an hour.hotroddy
- if live was so good why did millions cubans risk death to leave the island?hotroddy
- the standard of living/prostitutes/m... officals etc is comparable to that of Brazil/columbia, neither capitalism or communism helps in that regiondrgs
- Why can't people have a logical discussion? He's pointing out how pathetic the priorities are here in the US.formed
- No one that really cares about fellow citizens and the well being of the country can argue with that.formed
- why do you assume that all education is good education?bliznutty
- As measured by unesco? Not sure._niko
- +1 hotroddy +10 bliznuttyterry_cloth
- ima have to make a new profile, terry_clothyterry_cloth
- *clotheyterry_cloth
- Fucking hell Cold War propaganda is working really well it seems. None of the "ism" is absolute good or evil. All depends on which group of cunts is in charge.pango
- And everyone of them will tell you the other groups are cunts. The truth is they're all cunts!!pango
- while i agree to a certain extent, communism has been shown over and over again to not function on a large scale. some 'ism's really are bunkterry_cloth
- yeah but 10% GDP of cuba is like $100.mekk
- Lolterry_cloth
- how does this get upvotes? i gave qbn too much respecthotroddy
- utopian0
Spoken like a true dictator!
"Today, the world marks the passing of a brutal dictator who oppressed his own people for nearly six decades. Fidel Castro’s legacy is one of firing squads, theft, unimaginable suffering, poverty and the denial of fundamental human rights.
"While Cuba remains a totalitarian island, it is my hope that today marks a move away from the horrors endured for too long, and toward a future in which the wonderful Cuban people finally live in the freedom they so richly deserve.
"Though the tragedies, deaths and pain caused by Fidel Castro cannot be erased, our administration will do all it can to ensure the Cuban people can finally begin their journey toward prosperity and liberty. I join the many Cuban Americans who supported me so greatly in the presidential campaign, including the Brigade 2506 Veterans Association that endorsed me, with the hope of one day soon seeing a free Cuba."
Donald Trump
- That does not sound like trump at all.pango
- I agree Pango, too many bigly words and coherent sentences. Written by Breitbart.utopian
- this is sadly totaly right, but because Trump said it he's a dictator, Utopian you're literally one of the most biased poster on this forum, not utopian at allGeorgesII
- #vivaLaCubaLibre!hotroddy
- I for one can't wait until Trump brings the american brand of Capitalist healthcare to cuba http://fm.cnbc.com/a…_niko
- argh lol http://fm.cnbc.com/a…_niko
- Trump casinos on every corner!moldero
- GeorgesII1
It kind of break my brain the number of apologist in this thread.
Good girlfriend of mine was a daughter of a cuban general that I rather not name.Even her with all the advantages she got in life because of her dad's position, ran away to italy because she couldn't support the double standard.
She felt some shame because of what her family was involved in, she told me just saying her family name would make people get up and leave when she was growing up. But that didn't stop her from spending the cuban cash lavishly..
The problem I see here, is the usual double standard.
Gadaffi was a brutal dictator who tortured his people, yet he brought his country to the highest standard of living in Africa build a lot of infrastructures, gave free school, he was making the desert bloom again thanks to his water projects.
under his reign of "terror" the people had the best quality of life there was, http://www.globalresearch.ca/lib…
yet he's still considered a brutal dictator,
but fidel a man that has been reigning for 60 years, had tortured opponents, executed those who dare to speak up, kept his country in dire poverty while living a lavish life (my friend I talked about above as a daughter of a general, lived the european style life, while the people of her country couldn't even afford to eat, she was partying in Milan) and he's considered a revolutionary,
has anyone lost their mind in 2016,
once again, I've been proven that you guys rather downvote then spend 5 min learning some history.
@niko: are you really going to taunt a 100% literacy rate under a dictature. look at how the ultra biased (/S) Human Rights Watch describe the utopia that was Cuba: https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11…
"The progress on economic, social, and cultural rights was never matched in terms of respect for civil and political rights. The denial of fundamental freedoms throughout Castro’s decades in power was unrelenting, and marked by periods of heightened repression, such as the 2003 crackdown on 75 human rights defenders, journalists, trade unionists, and other critics of the government. Accused of being “mercenaries” of the United States government, the individuals were summarily tried in closed hearings. Many served years in inhumane prisons, where they were subjected to extended solitary confinement and beatings, and denied basic medical care for serious ailments. More than 50 of the remaining prisoners were released after Fidel Castro handed over power to his brother, most on the condition that they accept exile to Spain."
- In order to avoid life's 'downvotes'—some, many on this site—choose to flow w/the emotional grain of pop culture... it's not ignorance... just monophobia.PonyBoy
- great points Georges, but seriously, do you need me too post links to America's human rights violations? or any other countries for that matter?_niko
- from the beginning, one of my first points is that his human rights record was shitty, but who's isn't?_niko
- answer me this.good or bad
-free education for all?
-free healthcare for all?
-race equality?_niko - -class equality?
-high life expectancy?_niko - now you can list off 100 bad things he's done and I'll agree with every one of them._niko
- my point is, are his people worse off than the millions of poor in favelas all over latin america? The have all the negative things cubans have and none of the_niko
- positives. plus throw in guns and violence.
I'd argue they are worse off than cubans. Agree or not?_niko - Anyway, love ya Georges, I respect you opinion and pov on here didn't mean for this to become a pissing match lol_niko
- moldero0
it's funny how Americans keep bringing up human rights violations Castro pulled off decades ago while we (the USA) are violating human rights right now with the Dakota Access pipeline protesters.
The irony with DAPL (Dakota Access Pipeline) and the people who side with the oil companies thinking they are siding with 'America' or 'American Interests' is the oil is from Canadian oil sands, which is too dirty to use for American Cars ruining our engines, and Canada wont process the oil because the oil sand refinery process is way too dirty for Canada's environment, hence the pipeline to Texas because the oil companies and their "Our Profits Come First and Fuck the Environment" view. Then this oil is set for export to China, so who wins here? The Oil Companies and China. who loses here? We do.
But yeah lets keep focusing on human rights violations some other asshole in some other country pulled off decades ago.
- Brace for Oil Company Apologists!moldero
- I apologize for oilGnash
- TAR sands, not oil sands. They spent millions trying to get people to change the name, to appear more green and energy-positive.i_monk
- Citation on Canada no refining the oil because of it being "too dirty for our environment" please.ETM
- Given that the government in fact wants to build local refineries, but the cost is about $10bil a piece and years to build.ETM
- https://cdn.meme.am/…moldero
- Gimme a break. I'm asking about something you specifically said. My guess, it's anecdotal and you have no citation.ETM
- I'm just looking for facts to evaluate. Rather than opinions sold as such.ETM
- Another psychotic communist ignoring murder to protect their own beliefs.Hayoth
- Yeah... okay. Well, enjoy your anger.ETM
- lol @ angermoldero
- and since you keep going off topic, did baby seal clubbing season start up there yet?moldero
- psychotic communist lol. it's either black or white with you eh? no capacity to see any shades of grey? or debate points? just name-calling?_niko
- I'm used to dealing with these oil country Canadians, I'm surrounded by them now, their all my friends, their cool when they mind their own businessmoldero
- Geez, modly. Are you going off the QBN deep end too? Always held you as a more solid and rational member one could converse with. So much anger here.ETM
- where did I show anger? can you point it out? or if i did show anger, maybe i didnt realize it because i'm not angry at all, and if i did I apologizemoldero
- for the record, I never said anything positive on Castro, I'm just stating that here we are discussing old ass human rights violations, when we should be adressmoldero
- the ones happening nowmoldero
- again if it didn't come off as that, i'm sorry, personally with this whole Castro thing IMO is "Who fucking cares. dat nigga dead" lets fix some shit instead :)moldero
- You just mentioned something in your post (sure off-topic) I wanted more info on because I was curious and you came back with that shitty meme pic.ETM
- Then you follow up with that shitty seal comment which, btw, most Canadians despise and do not support. So yeah, a little angry in tone, imo. But it's cool.ETM
- I thought it was a little lighthearted and funny, but my sense of humor doesnt always have the best timing (so my wife says) Sorry ETMmoldero
- but yes, the main topic is Human Rights Violations, and not the little details of the oil debate which could (and should) have its own threadmoldero
- BTW, I might have mentioned it here before but I am a Canadian Citizen, and US Citizen as well, the seal clubbing thing doesn't offend memoldero
- because I know I dont go around clubbing baby seals.moldero
- but yeah, my sense of humor sucks if its read, but my wife listens to it and she still says it sucks, so yeah it must suck.moldero
- I thought you were Mexican.i_monk
- ^ lol. So did I ! :)ETM
- Anyways. Water under the bridge. :)ETM
- i'm in MX but am 1/2 canadian 1/2 filipino but US cit :)moldero
- Fuck baby seals! People only care about them cuz they have a cute faces! Fuck that cute face. While the bigger greyer story is being in the shade of that fuckinpango
- Cute face. We kill thousand of cats and dog every single year and everyone is fine with it. And they're cute too. Wtf!pango
- Talking about comparing hypocrisy with another hypocrisy. Kettle and pot man! Except kettle usually has a whistle. And pot doesn't.pango
- What were talking about again?
Oh yeah human right. And fuck baby seals!pango - It is true 99% of Canadian oil sand goes to USpango
- http://www.asiapacif…pango
- Here's how dirty oil sands arepango
- Link too long
http://tinyurl.com/z…pango - we should only kill the seals when they stop being cute, then rich cunts can wear ugly jackets, win win!moldero
- We should start wearing cat jackets. So many of them goes to waste. Anyways. Are we gonna talk about human right violation that's happening right now at least?pango
- #nodapl deserves its own threadmoldero
- ernexbcn2
Whatever legitimacy he had to overthrow Batista he wasted it by staying on power for decades and crippling the cuban people. That's what most Fidel apologists like to ignore when looking at the guy and keep romanticising the revolution.
They also like to talk about literacy and health care when everybody knows health care in Cuba is in shambles and the decent health care and facilities are reserved for the high ranks of the revolution.
This guy left our realm too late in my opinion.
- I've met kids of high ranks of cuban authorities and they live in riches and study abroad here in Europe while the common cuban people basically eats shiternexbcn
- Gnash2
http://www.spiked-online.com/new…
"The true tragedy for Cuba is that the revolution occurred at the height of the Cold War. The United States could not countenance tolerating an independent Cuba lest it encourage other Latin American nations similarly to take matters into their own hands. The US also feared that the Soviet Union would be the main beneficiary of an independent Cuba. So Washington sought to undermine the Castro regime by isolating Cuba, and it eventually imposed an economic blockade.
Cuba simply could not survive this blockade. And so it was literally forced into the hands of the Soviet Union...."
- such a fascinating time in politics. one can get lost in it and lose sense of the fallout in suffering.Gnash
- zaq1
watching today
- GeorgesII1
apparently the only people not celebrating Castro death are those that didn't have to escape paradise Island,
- just as many expats mourning his death._niko
- and speaking of expats, do people realize that there are thousands of expats that emigrated into Cuba? Mind blowing right?_niko
- what is mind blowing is that there are people in democratic countries defending the murderous mummy that Fidel wasernexbcn
- I'll defend Canada, I'll defend America, I'll defend Europe, doesn't mean they're not all just as "murderous"_niko
- pr2-9
Fundamentally you need to ask yourself why someone goes to such lengths to establish a new system. Yes, a cynic might answer it's for personal power but i believe Fidel and Che fought for the new world order because of deep believes that they are trying to change the world for the better. The flaw in their thinking comes from the fact that to make a better society requires also better people. They assumed that the sheer power of the movement can force the mediocre people to shape up. For people to freely choose the better option (as was the ultimate intention of all socialist movements) people need better education. And here Cuba has succeeded splendidly. They have created a mass of people who have the fundamental knowledge to make the "best" choice (even though by limiting economy their choices become limited). The revolutionaries have forgotten about the tremendous influences of the outside forces. When people see their neighbors have something - they want that too or more. This is a fundamental human psychology that socialist revolutionaries never came to grasp. The masses they needed for a successful revolution is made up of mostly mediocre people why don't necessary want to sacrifice their personal comfort for the abstract goals of a better society. More, often they will work to undermine the revolution and their own self interests when lazily choosing not to participate in the debates that will shape the future. Ultimately socialism is an elitists (in good meaning of the word) movement where a small and well-meaning group of people is imposing their values on a brutish crowd with hopes that they will give up the selfish striving for personal gains and comforts for the sake of the better world. The capitalism doesn't have this ambition, it believes that everyone is free to make up their mind right now. But is the imbecile spending the night to wait in line of some superstore before the Black Friday really that free? Can that simpleton see that the dreams he's fulfilling are not those of his but were imposed by the avalanche of the advertising machine? Of course not. His freedom is allowed to extend to the borders of consumption - he has freedom to choose what to buy but not if he should engage in the consumption in the first place. Here is where the Socialists didn't get it right - vast majority of people don't care that their freedom is so limited. They are absolutely comfortable with the "free" choice of which TV they will buy this year - they have no concern for the freedom that gives them the choice to even desire that TV in the first place. So yeah, don't blame the "Commies" for wanting to change the world but rather that they got the human psyche wrong.
- fuck me, i need to break shit up next time.pr2
- you made some insightfull points in that wall of text, bravoterry_cloth
- well said._niko
- yupmoldero
- Grey areas man. At least 50 shades. You can't over look it.pango
- of course they had good intentions no matter how fundamentally flawed that also coincided with their own egos. same can be said of any dictatordeathboy
- i think most men want to do good but never confront the natural nature of selfishness. instead they find ways like greater good to justify any selfish intentiondeathboy
- a little bit of logical fallacy and they can have their cake and eat it too. It is strange how people confuse consumerism with capitalism.deathboy
- The murdered people. Wtf is wrong with you people? Che and Castro murdered people they disagreed with.Hayoth
- just think about the consumerism of ideology. what is the "label" of being a socialist, or libertarian. the branding and how we think in associationsdeathboy
- hayoth id like to think it goes without saying they are class A cunts. but the why and ideas of how cunts came to power is worth investigation and debatedeathboy
- personally i think pr2 is wrong if the way i read this is that peoples ability to choose is the problem, so we just need to find a better way to control choicedeathboy
- that's just a simple excuse to the age old problem of control. and wether education a certain central way can makes things work. back to deweydeathboy
- who which with all his mind didnt understand the nature of capitalism, which is like a more moral survival of the fittest that promotes individualism vs tribaldeathboy
- This is what you call a strawman argument and progressive ideology, ends justify the meansHayoth
- yup that is fact. simple as that, but why does it happen? discussin the reasoning of why it happen. a hypothesis is a much better than a yay or neydeathboy
- i think its interesting mans pack mentality vs reason. the individual high concept vs original collectivist thinking. is it nature vs nurture?deathboy
- deathboy whilst i agree with what you are saying about motivation i think you misconstrued pr2's main point that is communisms flies in the face of human natureterry_cloth
- and yes, historically speaking, all these communist leaders wit their good intentions wind up as mass murderers who never turn over the power to the people as tterry_cloth
- -hey first promise. the lofty ideals go straight out the window as soon as they get their dictatorshipterry_cloth
- im not entirely sure of pr's point. but it is hard to suggest communism is against mans nature. i actually think many seek it. our idea of family has samerootsdeathboy
- added a response bellowpr2
- I liked your analysis very much. Thanks for sharing.since1979
- In the end all power corrupts. Communism is fundamentally a system of inclusion and fairness just as capitalism can be. its the top guys that always fuck it up.sothere
- great post, but this is a design forum:
break up your text in paragraphsdrgs - Hayoth. The US murder people they disagree with.microkorg
- A bag of turd, you know, a flaming turd bag.soundoftreason
- 20021
Even in death, people of Cuba are not allowed to go to work or go to church during the days of morning.
They will be beaten and arrested.
Thats still Cuba.
Same as when Obama visited
https://www.theguardian.com/worl…
- moldero1
There's a lot on Cuba and Castro on this ep. of Oliver Stones series 'the untold history of the united states' which is a great series.
- pr22
response to a dialogue up there:
Hayoth,
There is a fundamental difference between murder and "justifiable killing." The gun is the same, the bullet is the same and the results are the same but underlying reasons differ. If one is doing it for ideological reasons it's not murder unless you are on the opposite side of the ideological fence. In essence, the definition of the action doesn't matter but rather our reasoning for this action do. If "they" do it to "us" it's murder, but if "we" are doing it to "them" it's "collateral damage" "killing the infidels" "purifying the race" or whatever other label was created to make people feel ok for taking other human's life. If you are accusing others of murder you should look first into your own backyard to realize where your ideology is coming from as it might not be as innocent as just calling killing a killing.deathboy,
This ability (or inability) to choose is fundamental as long as you don't trivialize it to: gee, which toothbrush should i use to brush my teeth today. As you pointed out it is an old age question about control. The more education you posses the freer (notice i didn't say completely free) you are to counteract against the desire for control by the system.terry_cloth,
Only part of nature is understood by Communism (desire to belong and accomplish something bigger than self) just like only part of human nature is understood by Capitalism (selfish desire for comfort often at other's expense). Moreover i think you are simplifying the mind of a typical Communist figure head. If you notice at a public event they are clapping their hands - they do it not out of some narcissistic desire to clap to their own achievements but rather because the ideology tell stem that the results of their actions are a manifestation of historical necessity. In their heads (and the ideology) they are just paws in the hands of history. Of curse it goes against the "everyone is selfish" thinking we nurture in the West.
- drgs0
"The problem that I set here is not what shall replace mankind in the order of living creatures (— man is an end —): but what type of man must be bred, must be willed, as being the most valuable, the most worthy of life, the most secure guarantee of the future.
This more valuable type has appeared often enough in the past: but always as a happy accident, as an exception, never as deliberately willed. Very often it has been precisely the most feared; hitherto it has been almost the terror of terrors; — and out of that terror the contrary type has been willed, cultivated and attained: the domestic animal, the herd animal, the sick brute-man — the Christian. . . ."
