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- Morning_star0
Sam Harris & Brett Weinstein talk about some some interesting things, including Free Will. Listen if you want to. Or don't, it's up to you.....or is it :)
TRIGGER WARNING: I'm pretty certain Jordan Peterson isn't mentioned to any great extent.
- nb0
Peterson was vilified by people who want to create villians. Because that's how they see the world: with villians. He gave his expert opinion and advice — which everyone was free to ignore. Unlike some people who argue for banning unpopular views.
He argued fairly and rationally, even with those who tried to shape him into a public villian. And now it appears he had some serious problems like we all do. We could all use a little more compassion.
- You're villifying people too.i_monk
- ^ not really. NB wasn't abusive or disparaging.Morning_star
- 'Everyone who isn't on the Peterson train is irrational and oppressive' essentially.i_monk
- Nope. If you want to project that meaning on to what NB has said then that's cool but it seems to me to be an irrational, oppressive interpretation.Morning_star
- I don't think he was a villain, but this is a bit of revisionist history. He deliberately inserted himself into controversial issues to help promote himself.yuekit
- He capitalized on the whole feminist/SJW backlash that happened a few years ago. I mean, he's basically come out and said this himself.yuekit
- That's one way of looking at it. Another way would be that feminist/SJW media thought he would be a pushover and quickly found out he wasn't, then they cried...Morning_star
- ...victim. Have a look at the Cathy Newman/Channel4 car crash. The only thing he seems to have done is stand his ground in the face of a smug media focussed...Morning_star
- ...on taking him down a peg or two.Morning_star
- Yes, Peterson is always the brave hero and everyone he opposes—sorry, who opposes him—is the hateful villain.i_monk
- @i_monk. You can keep chucking shade as much as you like but it's toothless. Let's see some examples of your accusations.Morning_star
- My perception...and I don't think I'm completely off base here...is that he would go on TV and deliberately say vaguely controversial thingsyuekit
- Don't really see Jordan as a villian. Just thought the drugs thing was a weird one. Imagine eating only meat for health reasons, but being fine with opiods?PhanLo
- Then bask in the outrage it would inevitably create from the left. And it was definitely successful for him, as a tactic to build a following and sell books.yuekit
- But he definitely wasn't this innocent old guy who got picked on by mean leftists as some of you seem to be saying. He knew what he was doing for sure :)yuekit
- Yuekit,I agree with that last bit .I don't think he courted outrage like you suggest though. Most of the time all he offered was coherent opposing opinions. ...Morning_star
- ...It was his opponents who generally took offence. Look at the fall out from his opposition to Pronouns use being law.Morning_star
- Cults need demonsGnash
- I specifically did not refer to everyone, instead using the clarifier "some". I'm not creating villains.nb
- Jesus Peterson will not rise from the youtube death, he will stay in Russia drugged by ballsy doctors and eating rat meatSalarrue
- If you believe people have a right to not be offended then you can find fault in what he says.cannonball1978
- Spoken like someone who doesn't regularly have his rights treated like a topic for debate by demagogues.i_monk
- Fuck Jordan Peterson. Peter Joseph says hi.********
- i_monk wtf does that even mean. flailing.cannonball1978
- I was made an equal citizen within my life time; I'm not 'offended' when those rights are questioned, I see the implicit threat they can be taken away again.i_monk
- Salarrue0
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"It could be his dark view of life, wherever it comes from, that the aggressive group of young men among his followers identify with. They may feel recognized, affirmed, justified and enabled. By validating them he does indeed save them, and little wonder they then fall into line enthusiastically, marching lockstep behind him"
https://outline.com/Ef7wGR- This is two years old and was dealt with about 4 pages back.Morning_star
- Peterson probably saved a few lives of young men. In the same way believing in jesus has.PhanLo
- Cheap self help doesn't mean he healed people, is a scam. His current life is proof of thatSalarrue
- "dark views" Eh? The backlash against Peterson is everything that is wrong with the left...inteliboy
- the problem is talking or defending absolutes, right and left are not perfect and will never be. I think the lesson is not to worship any false prophet.Salarrue
- Can't stand Shapiro, though he aint a bad guy, or spouting 'dark views', or part of the alt right. Just a dude with a bunch of opposing views to me. The end.inteliboy
- I do understand the backlash against Peterson... where it comes form... though it bleeds onto people like Rogan and Sam Harris...inteliboy
- ...who have the most middle of the road way of thinking about things, running thought experiments, engaging in discourse. But the left pile hate as usual.inteliboy
- Why does someone need another person to think or build their judgment instead of himself?Salarrue
- Possibly because nobody is creative in a vacuum. We need new ideas to consider, question, develop analogies with and develop new insights into prior knowledge.monNom
- "Your" thoughts are just the latest permutation of the global collection of thoughts that we have been refining since forever.monNom
- @Salarrue. You asked "Why does someone need another person to think or build their judgment instead of himself?" Man, thats a deep, deep question. Besides 10%..Morning_star
- of the planet being athiest, meaning that 90% look for 'someone' to think for, guide and judge them on a daily basis. I think the answer is, it's human nature..Morning_star
- Peterson sold 2million+ books, some of which had a valuable impact on the readers lives. I think your dismissal of him is influenced by common...Morning_star
- ...misconceptions and untruths. Maybe you should ask yourself why your judgement is influenced by others.Morning_star
- Weekend at Jordie’s_niko
- flol _nikoNairn
- In this digital age question everything and trust no oneSalarrue
- I enjoyed his bookscarabin
- It wasn’t life changing or anything thoughscarabin
- Fax_Benson8
This is interesting and might explain why seemingly rational debate can generate such angry responses.
I think Harris is an example of someone who innocently uses the 'decoupling-ritual' whereas Peterson, D Murray - even Dawkins - are more likely to use it deliberately and then cite it to distance themselves form the fallout.
- good articleGnash
- the intention behind the decoupling ritual — whether it’s use is innocent or deliberate — doesn’t change the truth of the initial statementGnash
- The fallout comes from misconceptionsGnash
- nice read, thanks fax_niko
- What gnash said. Decoupling isnt a strategy to provoke because concepts are already inherently decoupled. It’s just a way to point that out.cannonball1978
- PhanLo2
Alex is coming for Ben. It's going down.- pissed off alex is the best alex :)renderedred
- So.. a heavyweight bout between blowhard morons? The thumbnail is as informative as the content, I'm sure. Pass.garbage
- PhanLo0
- Find it a bit bizarre that these intellectual heavyweights only found just as many people are addicted to prescription painkillers than illegal drugs.PhanLo
- I just find it incredibly hilarious that Peterson was strung out on jellies for the past nine years, like some fucking shellsuit ned.face_melter
- ^Lol.PhanLo
- 12xu3
- Who doesn't love meat from dad?PhanLo
- https://pbs.twimg.co…12xu
- _niko3
Man tricked into coma announces new self-help book
The book, which will be presented as a dozen rules to living a better life, will be written by an author whose daughter tricked him into believing that vegetables are bad for you. Scheduled for release in 2021, assuming the writer isn’t distracted by another tirade on how the Frozen movies are nefarious anti-male propaganda, the new title promises to combine common sense with rambling pseudo-philosophical gibberish.
- yuekit0
Meanwhile Sam Harris seems to have disassociated himself with the rest of the IDW. Calls them "delusional" and "bonkers" and says they spend too much time criticizing the left while ignoring the actual danger of Trump
- As always he explains his points very rationally and eloquently. But it's like...no shit. Exactly the critique many of us were making for yearsyuekit
- For a gang purportedly to be intellectuals, they do seem to among the dumbest motherfuckers on this or any other planet.face_melter
- lots of very upset pseuds on his twitter timeline recentlyFax_Benson
- lolfadein11
- yawnsarahfailin
- palimpsest0
I think we should all take a step back. The left should accept the validity of the questions. The IDW should accept how their discourse is a tool for the right.
- but they don't identify as anything.fadein11
- lingering floaters for clicks and likesfadein11
- Much like a rebelious teen. In the end all he wants is to be taken seriously.palimpsest
- The helicopter parents just want him to turn down the music, it's bothering the neighbors. They just don't get the album, they've only heard one song.palimpsest
- AQUTE1
lol
- yuekit4
One thing I found kind of interesting is that apparently this anti PC, anti left trend is a big thing in Xi Jinping's China of all places. They call it baizuo or "white left."
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en…
Although the emphasis varies, baizuo is used generally to describe those who “only care about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment” and “have no sense of real problems in the real world”; they are hypocritical humanitarians who advocate for peace and equality only to “satisfy their own feeling of moral superiority”; they are “obsessed with political correctness” to the extent that they “tolerate backwards Islamic values for the sake of multiculturalism”; they believe in the welfare state that “benefits only the idle and the free riders”; they are the “ignorant and arrogant westerners” who “pity the rest of the world and think they are saviours”.
- I'm not sure it's a 'trend' as such. It seems to be reaction to the obvious and poorly considered consequences of identity and equity focused policy.Morning_star
- Elsewhere we call them liberals.palimpsest
- lol now Fox News has caught onto this term
https://www.twitter.…yuekit - fox news. the greatest ally of ccp.pango
- Krassy1
- Not that I agree with Zizek because he is a Hegelian snot monster that would be more fun to drink with than talk with..garbage
- ..but he is smarter than all of the IDW dimbulbs and would probably object to being filed with them.garbage
- He's at least well read. Sam Harris, Peterson, Shapiro, etc are laughingstocks in the philosophical world.garbage
