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- PhanLo1
My mate keeps sending me rants about cultural marxism and how fake lefties are destroying society. He keeps mentioning 'some canadian guy who challenged people over toilets' and how lefty fascists are destroying society.
Along with scientists too because they don't hang out and get pissed or have sex like normal people
He's my best mate.
I find it bizarre he doesn't know who Petersen is. Years ago, if Jordan was in our company I think he might have leathered him.
But now I reckon they could hang out and eat meat together.- JP is good. Done be too woke.shapesalad
- He recently started to work in education, which I think has taken its toll.PhanLo
- Jordan Peterson is nothing but a crying grifter who forgot to clean his room and can die from a sip of apple cider. What a fucking role model.********
- Here come the QBN elite fascist commis to defend their ideology to the death like Hitler followers.Hayoth
- Where's super simp putopian?Hayoth
- If you could post your phone number Hayoth, maybe you could get a Whatsapp group going.PhanLo
- Ah gramps is here!inteliboy
- I have an *acquaintance who did that. told him to fuck off. haven't heard from him for 2 years.pango
- hey , the canadian says the marxist.... lol...also best friends ones can become complete morons over time .neverscared
- Gayoth, you're such a fucking cuck bitch for instantly bringing up that Austrian painter. Fucking moron********
- Hayoth, the science denying, fascist commie bitch, at it again. Did you get a dictionary yet or are you still using words you don't know?monospaced
- yuekit2
An interesting debate within the IDW...
I'm not someone who watches his show but apparently Brett Weinstein claims that ivermectin, a common off the shelf drug, can end the pandemic, but that governments and pharma companies are suppressing this info. He also makes some pretty disturbing claims about how the spike protein used in the mRNA vaccines is toxic and might be killing people.
https://quillette.com/2021/07/06…
I think it gets at a certain weird problem of our time, which is that you now have all these people on podcasts and in alternative media like the Weinsteins, who give the impression they are very informed.
And they are obviously not stupid, they have some credentials etc. But are they actually informed about the specific issue they are talking about?
The average person doesn't have the ability to dig into the specific claims they are making, and may just end up believing the person with the podcast, who sounds convincing.
- Yeah we treat podcast topics like peer reviewed papers instead of bullshit opinion pieces which they are_niko
- https://www.reuters.…BaskerviIle
- If I sit and listen to a conversation with Sir Roger Penrose talking about, for eg. quantum theory I wouldnt call that bullshit opinionIanbolton
- Of course there are some great podcasts out there...I'm just saying there is danger of people appointing themselves as experts simply due to their social mediayuekit
- popularity. Bret Weinstein isn't even a particularly influential scientist within his own field. But his followers seem not know this...yuekit
- The interview between Brett and Eric was pretty heavy lifting in terms of content but a good listen. I totally get what you mean thoughIanbolton
- Podcasting has blasted people into the mainstream like never before, but now people can find specialist info about pretty much whatever they wantIanbolton
- That's true, just ask me about collecting recordsGardener
- Morning_star-1
@yuekit
Whilst the Weinstein's should not be the only source of information one uses to garner information and subsequently form opinions I do think that they consistently adhere to the scientific principles. And, more importantly change their opinions when faced with provable facts.
I listen to their weekly podcast (among others) and have seen them talk with and examine experts and test their opinions before committing to any hypothesis they support.
They were correct about the Lab Hypothesis way before main stream opinion cottoned on and, so far, they have been careful and right about the claims they're making regarding Ivermectin. The fact that it has proven effective in the treatment and cessation of Covid in Eastern Europe, Africa, India and South America needs to be investigated. And, Oxford University also agree and are carrying out trials as we speak.
The Weinsteins' can sometimes be alarmist and also prone to a victim mentality BUT they are both consistent in their approach and address quickly any inaccuracies they have in their claims.
If you don't want to listen that's cool but your generalisations about them are largely second hand and mostly inaccurate.
- How can you say they are correct about the "lab hypothesis"? It's still just speculation and totally unknown.yuekit
- And same with ivermectin, it hasn't been proven effective yet...yuekit
- 'Hypothesis' is the key word here. Their argument is that it should be on the table as an option. And they were right.Morning_star
- Their claims about Ivermectin are also similar, they just want it studied and 'on the table' as an option.Morning_star
- I dunno, I listened to his recent episode...which was literally called "How to Save the World"...and yes he advocated giving everyone ivermectinyuekit
- for one month and claimed this would end the pandemic. Also lots of fear mongering about vaccines. If I had listened to that and didn't know any better,yuekit
- there's zero chance I'd vaccinate myself or my family. So I get the criticism above.yuekit
- Yes, because it's incredibly safe and is likely to help in the treatment and stopping transmission of covid.Morning_star
- But that's the contested part right? It's not at all established. They just retracted one of the major studies today.yuekit
- They go to GREAT lengths to explain their caution about the covid vaccines. And ALWAYS say they are pro-vaxx.Morning_star
- Have you got a link? And it IS established as an incredibly safe drug. More than 4billion doses have been given around the world over the last 30yearsMorning_star
- See here...and also read the replies.
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - Thanks Yeukit i'll have a look. It's noteable that it was tweeted by Brett himself no less.Morning_star
- This is a Reddit convo about the retraction. https://www.reddit.c…Morning_star
- The more I read about ivermectin, seems like it's safe at regular doses but toxic if you take too much.yuekit
- The original study that started all the interest showed that it killed SARS 2 virus in cells...but at incredibly high doses.yuekit
- You can kill a lot of things that way, but doesn't mean it will work as a medicine. Since then there have been a bunch of studies showing conflicting outcomes.yuekit
- Everything is toxic at a high enough dose. You can't on one hand claim studies show evidence that 'ABC' and then in the same argument claim that there hasn't...Morning_star
- ...been any proper studies to show any meaningful results. One or the other.Morning_star
- What hasn't been proven is that it will work well to prevent or treat COVID-19 in humans. There's a big difference between injecting something into cells in ayuekit
- @yuekit - Have a listen to the new podcast. I've posted separately. It addresses all of the point you bring up.Morning_star
- lab and it being safe and effective for real world use. If the dose needed to prevent COVID is so high, this could have negative side effects obviously.yuekit
- I also wonder...just on a common sense basis...entire countries have been using this drug out of desperation for about a year now. Brazil for instance was bigyuekit
- on the ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. And of course it's a total disaster there.yuekit
- You can point to countries where they used it and things weren't so bad. But if it was a drug that could end the pandemic, wouldn't experts have noticed by now?yuekit
- You'd think that would be the case.Morning_star
- Morning_star0
After the reported 'gotcha' moment that @yeukit linked to regarding the potential issues with Ivermectin meta analysis, Brett Weinstein talks to Tess Lawrie (MD and PHD, external analyst for the World Health Organization, and an expert in analysis of medical evidence) about the meta analysis results amongst other things.
- Thanks will listen...I do think you have to factor that these two are strongly invested in it working. So probably good to listen to an opposing view as well.yuekit
- I understand where you're coming from, the issue for me is that they are both scientists and their reputation rests on their ability to be scientific and work..Morning_star
- ...within the established scientific principles. It does neither of them any favours to be factually incorrect. Both are willing to change their views.Morning_star
- 42min 11sec. Just listen.Morning_star
- I got 20 minutes in so far :) With disclaimer that obviously this is not my area of expertise...it seems like other people have raised a lot of questions aboutyuekit
- how well you can trust a "meta analysis" to give you a good answer for something like this. You could draw a comparison with what someone like Nate Silver doesyuekit
- in the field of polling. He devised a system where you can feed all these polls into an algorhythm, try to correct for bias and...as you saw in the last twoyuekit
- elections, it doesn't always work. The difference is that people like Nate Silver are drawing on thousands of polls, here Tess Lawrie is drawing on a grandyuekit
- total of three studies when it comes to the ability of ivermectin to prevent infection. Many people have criticized a number of studies she is using as badlyyuekit
- flawed, not just the big one that was retracted. So it seems like her overall approach is being questioned, even beyond this one study.yuekit
- @yuekit. It's her job and she does it for the WHO. I love your confidence but really, do you honestly know better?Morning_star
- I'm not coming up with this myself lol...I was trying to summarize what I've read. Check some of the discussions on Twitter related to this topic.yuekit
- This is a good summary...very balanced.
https://www.youtube.…yuekit - No one's saying it couldn't be useful as a treatment. The question is whether the available studies justify the dramatic conclusions some people are making.yuekit
- Here's a more critical but also very detailed analysis...
https://sciencebased…yuekit - Thanks, I’ll have a read. :)Morning_star
- sted1
The Indian Bar Association (IBA) sued WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan on May 25, accusing her in a 71-point brief of causing the deaths of Indian citizens by misleading them about Ivermectin.
Point 56 states, “That your misleading tweet on May 10, 2021, against the use of Ivermectin had the effect of the State of Tamil Nadu withdrawing Ivermectin from the protocol on May 11, 2021, just a day after the Tamil Nadu government had indicated the same for the treatment of COVID-19 patients.”
- https://www.thedeser…sted
- The WHO has morphed into a political orgGnash
- This is silly...people are trying to figure out what works in a crisis situation. Best available data says it doesn't work.yuekit
- The company that makes ivermectin also doesn't recommend it.
https://www.merck.co…yuekit - Notice they say "no meaningful evidence"...if there is evidence in the future, I'm sure they will change their recommendation.yuekit
- The company that makes Ivermectin notes “a concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.”nb
- The report that that quote is taken from was published in February. There was no data available to support the claim and the 'safety data' relates to dosage...Morning_star
- ...when treating Covid. If you think it's relevant to quote an article that's six months out of date, good for you. I don't.Morning_star
- Mass Psychosis going in the comment section. You little ww2 germansHayoth
- PhanLo-1
Oscar specials without Billy Crystal is a one way ticket to the Devil himself...
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- nb3
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeter…
This looks intellectual
- https://i.imgur.com/…
fine cut.sted - Jordan Peterson spelled his own name wrongnb
- https://twitter.com/…dbloc
- Might be pills again, which I don't wish on anybody, but a bunch of simps hang on his every word, so it's problematic from a.. critical thought standpoint.garbage
- Another right wing nut fruit loop...right up Rogan's alley.utopian
- https://www.youtube.…garbage
- Not even kidding, I think he's using again. "There's no such thing as climate". Nice bowtie, Dr. Dimbulb.garbage
- @garbage, Why do you think his reasoning about why there's no such thing as 'Climate' or 'Environment' was inaccurate?Morning_star
- ..do I really have to answer that?garbage
- https://i.imgur.com/…
- sted0
- garbage-4
Said it before, and I'll say it again. Jordan Peterson is a psychotic dimbulb cosplaying as an intellectual, as are the rest of the IDW.
Even Ngo couldn't make sense of this, and he's terrible in his own right.
- I don’t believe in God but I totally get what he’s saying. Replace ‘God’ with ‘how things have played out’.mort_
- He does look pretty emotionally raw though, like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders.mort_
- Lemme guess: You think Travis Bickle is the good guy.garbage
- And it's not emotionally raw, he's on another bender which is why it's insane that people take him as a serious voice. He's done this a million times.garbage
- Lemme guess. You see the world in terms of good guys and bad guys.mort_
- Not at all, but in this case it's a pseudo-intellectual with a drug problem that has way too much influence on the leftgarbage
- And an actual fascist and heartless manipulator on the right. Both are dangerous, Ngo is probably the craftier devil.garbage
- (left/right) being screen designations. They're both far-right fakebrains.garbage
- He suffers from depression. To me, he looks more like someone who needs help than someone on a bender.mort_
- Then you're out of the loop. He's gone on several benzo binges over the years. He's even said himself that he doesn't remember writing things he's published.garbage
- Probably not the most reliable source for sense. The alt-right / IDW crowd are just excited that he has "Dr." by his name.garbage
- So no, not a good guy / bad guy black and white viewpoint. He's got serious issues and shouldn't be taken seriously. He's just confused/scared.garbage
- Sad to hear that, if true. I haven’t really taken notice since the Russian hospital thing.mort_
- Not an "if true" thing. You can google it in 5 seconds. He's got a habit of chaotic benders where he spews nonsense and then crawls back, repeats.garbage
- Cosplaying as an intellectual? He has a long career of being a practicing doctor and university prof.nb
- He’s not perfect (who is?) but if you think you’re smarter than him you must have quite the egonb
- Can you actually state what's wrong with what he said rather than slinging lazy insults at him?Chimp
- You sure make a helluva lot of assumptions about someone you dislike so much. Not watched this, but I know people who’s life he’s literally saved.Ianbolton
- I wanted to see why Peterson is triggering to people, listened to more than a few lectures and I just don't get why he makes people so mad ...atomholc
- I think it's a tribal thing. The left hate him because he points out uncomfortable truths for them.Chimp
- Some people on the left hate anyone that doesn't parrot the official neo lefty narrative.Chimp
- It's not a tribal thing. It's a calling out a fake intellectual that makes his bones by playing an outrage pansy.garbage
- I make my bones in research, and I've probably read and watched more Peterson footage than anyone here. I don't care if he has a degree, he's a fucking moron.garbage
- He is a chore to me, and everything that he hates to himself. End of.garbage
- PhanLo-1
Totoro chat is the best bit.
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