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- yuekit1
This is a good debunking of the idea that vaccines are killing more people than they save. Researchers analyzed data from Florida and Ohio from before and after vaccines were available.
Looking at the period before the vaccine, researchers found a 1.6 percentage-point difference in excess death rate among Republicans and Democrats, with a higher rate among Republicans. But after vaccines became available, that gap widened dramatically to 10.4 percentage points, again with a higher Republican excess death rate.
- 37 percent of Republicans are still unvaccinated compared with 9 percent of Democratsyuekit
- 27% of Dem voters are dead.zardoz
- Wrong zmonospaced
- @utopian, how are your two friends that had strokes after taking the vaccine, are they ok?Chimp
- probablygrafician
- Doing better than those who died from covid for suremonospaced
- Mono, I bet you'd promote thalidomide if CNN told you it was "safe and effective".Chimp
- Pathetic straw man attempt there you sad puppy. Try again without the logival fallacy. I doubt you’re capable.monospaced
- It’s like saying you would promote covid vaccines if the CEO of mypillow said they were safe on Fox News. But that isn’t reality, you fucking idiot.monospaced
- NO OFFENSEmonospaced
- Mono, do you think Utopian's friends regret taking the "safe" vaccine that gave them a stroke?Chimp
- Rather than getting worked at some guy on the internet up you might want to question a vaccine that gives some people strokes and have killed others.Chimp
- The vaccine should have only been given to the most vulnerable. Doctors have started to come forward to voice their concerns https://vimeo.com/78…Chimp
- How do you explain this study, where Republicans (less likely to be vaccinated) had a 10 point higher excess death rate?yuekit
- It's not inconsistent to say vaccines caused serious side effects in a small number of people but also that they saved lives overall.yuekit
- Not according to this study. https://brownstone.o…Chimp
- But that’s not my point, it is rather that there should have been more push back against the draconian measures put in place.Chimp
- The vaccine should never have been forced upon people unless you want to have Chines style state control.Chimp
- Not letting people work, get on buses and locking them up in camps (Australia) was totally wrong.Chimp
- we would all be fucked without a vaccine... dead as chiimps friends...:(neverscared
- Chimp, you failed miserably. Your analogy was stupid af and you continue ignoring covid deaths and vaccine efficacy.monospaced
- The vaccine obviously was good, and it had some rare side effects at most.monospaced
- The vaccines probably saved the lives of millions of people but sure let's just keep bashing them because of vague impressions people have.yuekit
- https://www.france24…yuekit
- Also you posted that exact study before and I went to the trouble of explaining it was wrong...apparently that was wasted effort on my part :)yuekit
- https://www.influenc…yuekit
- Again my point is pushing back against all the Chinese style curbs on human rights.Chimp
- OK fair enough, I agree with you there :)yuekit
- I absolutely saw some terrible effects of the lockdowns here in SE Asia. But the funny thing is you also saw demonstrations where people were literallyyuekit
- demanding the modern vaccines (they were stuck using Sinovac) while people in Western countries had rallies against the vaccines.yuekit
- It will be interesting to see how things play out in China. Wether their health system will colapse or perhaps they’ll quickly get immunity.Chimp
- Yeah who knows...I feel bad for all the people caught up in it, but because it's China it's also hard to tell exactly what's going on.yuekit
- Story I heard from some activists is the CCP is handing out traditional Chinese medicine, while the politicians fly to Macau and HK to get vaccinated.yuekit
- Are trying to say that injecting tiger testicular juice in your arse on a full moon isn’t a valid cure?Chimp
- grafician-3
"BREAKING: The CDC says there is concern over new coronavirus variants emerging in China'
Here we go again
- Gnash-2
Milan Reports 50% of Passengers on China Flights Have Covid
- Milan as a starting point all over againgrafician
- dejavuGnash
- The Wuhan Flu Part Twoutopian
- oh sweet baby jesusok_not_ok
- Hopefully it's mild COVID given they seemingly didn't notice before they were tested.yuekit
- I'll be in Milan in a week's time. I'll be sure to lick all available handrails and report back to y'alls.Nairn
- utopian6
Jared Kushner blocked Biden's access to COVID-19 planning in the final days of the Trump era.
The entire family are all grifters and pieces of dig shit.
- Runs in the family, and can't be stated enough. His dad set up his brother-in-law with a prostitute, filmed it, and used it to extort him.garbage
- Trump pardoned his dad. Kushy also can't explain why the Sauds decided to give him TWO BILLION DOLLARS.garbage
- He looks like he's a Ken doll downstairs, but that dude was born a criminal and he is a fucking monster.garbage
- Remember when an un-elected person had the sway to deny PPE to blue cities because it was deemed to hurt that voter base the most?garbage
- Because if you're looking for the face to punch for that, it's right fucking there.garbage
- grafician0
"Up to 70% of Shanghai population infected with Covid, says senior doctor at one of the city's top hospitals "
Meanhwile
"#BREAKING China slams 'unacceptable' Covid rules on nationals abroad, warns of 'counter measures'"
- PioneerDJ3035
WHO warns of new COVID subvariant XBB.1.5 l GMA (aka Kraken)
Who says its the most transmissible yet. XBB.1.5 gets its name through the Pango method of naming (Pango stands for Phylogenetic Assignment of Named Global Outbreak) and the X indicates it's a recombinant variant.
https://news.sky.com/story/what-…- fucking pango_niko
- PangooooooooOBBTKN
- Who's naming these variants??? I predict the next one will be called the Megatron variant...and the one after that will be the Hellraiser variant.MondoMorphic
- https://www.youtube.…utopian
- GOD DAMN IT PANGZgarbage
- Named after the first patientdrgs
- The Pango Variant...yuekit
- eww Pango, love ya, but why are you doing this?sted
- Named after the next Crypto exchange to fall?shapesalad
- Phylogenetic Assignment of Named Global Outbreak - okwhatthefunk
- Thanks PangoYakuZoku
- Wut...
lolpango - Knew it, fucking pangoNBQ00
- FDUCK YOU PANGOmilfhunter
- In time, all of us will have a variant named after our profile names.CyBrainX
- Just looking around quickly, I know I don't ever want to contract whatthefunk.CyBrainX
- why have you done thisinteliboy
- Krassy-2
First Trailer for COVID-19 Horror Movie ‘Sick’ From ‘Scream’ Writer
- Rendle-3
Watch Dr John Campbell, who was massively pro vaccine, wake up to the horrors of the covid mRNA vaccine and what it's doing to people in real time...
- There is a typo in hist name on that twitter post which I assume is intentional.
He is still a retired Nurse Teacher.sted - How is this real time? We only see out of context cuts from the 2-3 years of videos he producedsted
- The horror of saving millions of peoples' lives
https://www.pbs.org/…yuekit - I think the true explanation is that Dr. John Campbell realized there's a huge audience for anti-vax content. He can make accurate videos and get thousands ofyuekit
- views, or he can pander to anti-vaxxers and get millions.yuekit
- lol. You guys will tell yourself literally anything in order to maintain your world view and your belief that you haven't just...Rendle
- ...irreparably destroyed your immune system.Rendle
- For a start, anti-vax content is the most difficult content on earth to gain followers on because all the main social media companies are banning and...Rendle
- ...censoring all of it. You can't even use certain words without getting banned. Surely even that alone should get your spidey sense tingling that something...Rendle
- ...isn't right here. You can't even offer alternative views. Freedom of speech doesn't exist anymore. It's believe 100% in big pharma or you're...Rendle
- If immune system was destroyed, how am I still alive? Checkmate MFyuekit
- ...a conspiracy theorist that gets banned and censored. WAKE UPRendle
- And secondly, how much of John Campbell's content have you actually watched? You know, with all the numbers and facts and data.... ? None? Beyond belief.Rendle
- Watched enough to notice that he gets things wrong and doesn't correct them. It's a good example of someone being corrupted by social media incentives.yuekit
- You replied within less than about 15 minutes of me posting this, which means you haven't educated yourself in any way to this guys content. You blind fool.Rendle
- @yeukit you should look into this a little further, same with Brett Weinstein and others. Are they really as untrustworthy as you're trying to make out?Morning_star
- He's not interested in the truth, or facts, or data, or evidence. He's only interested in convincing himself that he's right.Rendle
- lol, I'm familiar with Campbell and his bad track record. It's been well-documented.yuekit
- I think Rendle might be trolling, but Morning_star are you seriously telling me you still think Bret Weinstein is credible?yuekit
- That's Bret BTW, with one t. Brett is for establishment losers ;)yuekit
- I've no issue if you think Weinstein isn't credible. I do think it's odd when you dismiss a growing consensus of medical/health professionals who are offering..Morning_star
- ...credible perspectives on the fall-out of some vaccine health anomalies.Morning_star
- Campbell and Weinstein aren't leading experts, they're guys with a YouTube channel. Campbell worked as a nurse, Weinstein was a science teacher.yuekit
- What Weinstein is good at is making podcasts...but he was never a serious scientist. Almost no published work at all before the Evergreen thing happened.yuekit
- It's important to understand that background before you start believing them over more experienced/ accomplished scientists who are saying they're wrong.yuekit
- Fuck me. A science teacher?? Really? This is what I mean Yeukit, you can attack the man all you want but it's ultimately a playground slur and valueless.Morning_star
- Anyway this isn't complicated...three years later, there's no evidence ivermectin works to treat COVID. Bret Weinstein still insists it does.yuekit
- Even Eric Weinstein acknowledges it doesn't work lol. So Bret is telling his audience to take a totally fake cure for a disease and to avoid getting vaccinated.yuekit
- Look at my post above, higher excess death rates in the counties that are less vaccinated. Weinstein, Campbell and other influencers contributed to that.yuekit
- Who said anything about Ivermectin? I think the jury is still out on that. No effective studies showing either positive or negative effects. Your...Morning_star
- ...repetition of hysterical tabloid messaging speaks volumes.Morning_star
- You're wasting your time, yuekit.
Don't, you've got better things to do.
You're wasting your time, set.
Do, no one cares.Nairn - Morningstar...the jury is in, how long do you think it takes?
https://www.kumc.edu…yuekit - https://corporate.du…yuekit
- And cmon, people like Weinstein deserve the criticism. He made a lot of money pushing disinfo during a pandemic.yuekit
- You need to read the links not the headlines...“Given the favorable safety profile and continued public interest in ivermectin, the ACTIV-6 team will...Morning_star
- ...continue to study this higher dose to determine whether it will make enough of a difference to be considered for the treatment of mild-to-moderate COVID-19,”Morning_star
- So the jury is definitely not in.Morning_star
- Yes they continued and concluded there's no benefit.
https://corporate.du…yuekit - My GF's sister now has heart problems after taking the vaccine. 2 of Utopian's friends had strokes. I know 2 people who died from it.Chimp
- "These results confirm findings from a previous arm of the study that tested a lower dose and shorter duration of ivermectin."yuekit
- Sorry I should have posted the later version. Of course one study doesn't definitively prove anything, but there's been a number of them by now.yuekit
- You can see a video at the bottom of this page of doctors voicing their concerns about the vaccine. https://doctorsforpa…Chimp
- Two words come to mind when I see 'retired Nursing Teacher with a non medical doctor qualification' John Camp bell... Victor Meldrewshapesalad
- Chimp that website looks like it's set up by an anti-vaxxer advocacy group. Does that not make you at least a little suspicious?yuekit
- There's a disconnect here which is that if it was so obvious ivermectin worked or that the vaccines were killing large numbers of people, it should be possibleyuekit
- I think it's common sense to be wary about companies that have received $2.3 billion in fines and criminal charges.Chimp
- to prove this easily. If it hasn't been proven, then there's no reason to believe it so strongly.yuekit
- Also, you can' trust the US government after things like MK-Ultra.Chimp
- Why are anti-vaxxers such fucking morons? John Campbell is a nurse trainer who realised there is money to be made by pandering to morons. And here is an examplecomicsans
- @yuekit, so you think these doctors are lying?Chimp
- So you think the US government deliberately gave billions of people vaccines that would kill them...why?yuekit
- And where are the hundreds of millions of dead people we'd expect to see if what you're saying was true?yuekit
- Or perhaps anyone who questions the safety of the vaccine is an antivaxxer regardless if they are a doctor or know someone who has died.Chimp
- @yuekit no one has explained the excess deaths we have now, especially in the more highly vaccinated countries.Chimp
- +1 yuekitNairn
- Chimp what percentage of people do you think are being killed by vaccines? Can you give a rough estimate?yuekit
- https://www.nytimes.…
So far, > 70% of the world has been vaccinated.yuekit - The excess deaths in the UK are the highest since Feb 2021.Chimp
- 5.5 billion people. If even 1% of people died from the vaccine, you'd expect to see around 55 million deaths.yuekit
- The numbers just don't remotely add up for these conspiracies to be true. But hey, believe what you want guys.yuekit
- There should be an independent investigation into it's cause.Chimp
- If I was dumb enough to get the vaccine in the beginning is there a treatment to clean my system of it?palimpsest
- palimpsest, just need to inject some natural, organic SARS-2 virus to wash away the evil synthetic vaccine.yuekit
- It would be hard to have an independent investigation due to people like the UK PM having shares in Moderna.Chimp
- I honestly think this debate is going to look silly years from now when mRNA tech is used to treat many different illnesses.yuekit
- https://www.bbc.com/…yuekit
- Once they make it safe...Chimp
- When doctors start voicing their concerns and then get silenced you can assume that something sinister is up.Chimp
- @yeukit, i honestly hope you're right. But there are questions to be asked and answered about the political motivations, commercial alliances and advice and ...Morning_star
- ...guidance we were given. FWIW i had the vaccine and would have it again.Morning_star
- See why is this just an other pointless exchange of beliefs, with questionable references. Do something to get those questions answered properly.sted
- Started by a zero account whose only purpose is to chew on those bones again.sted
- Since I'm no longer a human since the vaccine modified my DNA, do I need to go to the vet for my cleansing treatment?palimpsest
- @palimpsest wait until your semen turns green, than you can go to a circus doctor for your enema treatment.sted
- idiots grow on trees these days.utopian
- @sted
How do I check the color of my semen?palimpsest - everybody knows its all karma...neverscared
- Also just for the record, he was anti-vax and the figurehead that anti-vax types were using as some proof that "DOCTORS SAY COVID ISN'T A BIG DEAL".garbage
- When it actually was, and during the Omicron bloom people were letting their guard down by fellas like this.garbage
- He's an RNA and not nearly qualified to talk about virology, and this is some weird self-rug pull.garbage
- The original post was like a parody of set...given away slightly by lines like "that alone should get your spidey sense tingling" lolyuekit
- There is a typo in hist name on that twitter post which I assume is intentional.
- sted-2
@Chimp you're such an expert, what does 'excess deaths' means?
I'm not asking about excess mortality.- definition, history, factors, how is it measured, references, and link some academic research, please.sted
- the excess deaths could be coming from the fact that for 1.5 years nobody when to hospital for check ups, operations were delayed etc etc...shapesalad
- From the UK ONS https://www.ons.gov.…Morning_star
- those are the factors for excess mortality like the fact that we all lived in a much more sterile environment which is so say not good for the immune system.sted
- or like the less contact with the environment, muscle degradation, and psychological problems arising from isolationsted
- That link doesn't work, sorry.Morning_star
- Here you go tinyurl.com/4v2ckhmfMorning_star
- @Morning_star 404. you can find links that use this term for the average citizen. this makes it distinguishable at what level we are talking about the subjectsted
- or https://tinyurl.com/…
Christ i'm shit at the internets.Morning_star - see the wording at the definition:
"The term excess deaths in this article" _in this article_ :)sted - Wasn't disagreeing with you, just supplying some government stats.Morning_star
- nah all good, we know internets :D its just most of these articles are made for the public.sted
- and it is defined differently everywhere because it is not an exact concept.sted
- "Lies, damn lies and statistics" ;)Morning_star
- In the USA excess deaths = difference between the expected number (based on average of previous years) and actual number.yuekit
- https://www.cdc.gov/…yuekit
- ^ But what you can see is that the spikes in excess deaths happen at the same time as COVID outbreaks.yuekit
- Before anyone had ever taken the vaccine in mid 2020, there was a spike in excess deaths.yuekit
- What the fuck is up with California? even without Covid deaths.Morning_star
- aye reading limitations in that article should be essential to everybody who is interested in this. dec 14 global:
https://www.nature.c…sted - ^ 404 bud ;)Morning_star
- This is also interesting, deaths from heart disease among young people.
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - It did go up during the pandemic but the increase started in early 2020, not when the vaccine was rolled out.yuekit
- In fact deaths from heart disease among people under 40 plateaued and then declined after the vaccine was introduced.yuekit
- ahahha the internets doesn't want that either :D here is it: https://tinyurl.com/…sted
- There was a 19% increase in heart problems for 45 to 49 year olds in 2021. I wouldn’t call that a plateau.Chimp
- If you're going to say something is true, it needs to be consistent with all the evidence. You don't prove something by picking out isolated stats and anecdotesyuekit
- So if the vaccines caused heart disease deaths among young people, why did heart disease deaths go down after the vaccines were rolled out?yuekit
- Why do counties in the USA that have a lower vaccination rate have more excess deaths?yuekit
- Chimp-4
@utopian you’ve gone very quiet on the Covid thread since your two friends suffered strokes. How are they?
- Are you fucking shitting me, you lowflife.tank02
- It’s a genuine question, what’s up with you?Chimp
- Tank why can’t you ask these things? What are you afraid of?Chimp
- I know 2 people who died after taking the supposedly safe vaccine. Now a third has serious heart conditions.Chimp
- But according to most QBNers you’re a conspiracy nut if you dare question the vaccine.Chimp
- I know 1 million Americans who died from Covid. that's one in 350. or 1 in 88 that are infected. Show me a million that died from the vaccine. show me 100k_niko
- show me 10k or just show me 1000 that died from the vaccine._niko
- Yellow card incidents are well know. For being under reported.Chimp
- Im not a conspiracy nut but tbf I concerningly watched a MP in house of commons talking about vaccine safety especially amongst kids.microkorg
- https://youtu.be/-MS…microkorg
- 1/800 chance of serious side effects from Pfizer. 1/200 chance in kids of an adverse reaction that would mean being hospitalised.microkorg
- and there being no real benefit in vaccinating children in the first place.
These were studies from the US.
Detailed in the vid link above.microkorg - Yaaaas anecdotal evidencecrazyprick
- Really....like you give two flying fucks about my family and or friends.utopian
- @utopian, I’m interested in knowing if anyone has gone through the same thing as my friends.Chimp
- eh it shouldn't be the other way around? so that you share these stories/experiences?sted
- chimps story is made up ...chimp is a desperate degenerate...its puny how he creeps up to utopian constantly only coz he chimpo is anti-vaxx.neverscared
- @neverscared once you start with the insults you instantly loose the debate.Chimp
- does he tho? i think it really depends on what he was debating. in this case he was debating that you're a degenerate. any rebuttal?pango
- Oh dear pango you have nothing to add but childish insults.Chimp
- Pango, perhaps you can explain to Utopians friends, who had strokes after the vaccine, how safe it it. It doesn't look like he cares due to his silence.Chimp
- I didn't insult you. It was neverscared. do you really crave attention this much?
also do i just pick up a yellowbook and look for "Utopian's friend" ?pango - ¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯
I guess you didn't have any rebuttal. then it is confirmed. you're a degenerate.pango - Imagine thinking you know a million people that died. No, you've heard it on the TV. You have no idea how foolish you soundRendle
- Isn't it funny that it's only the people that believe without question what the government and big pharma say that are here throwing insults and ridiculeRendle
- That's not an argument you knowRendle
- And yet you're the one struggling with
the acceptance of his own beliefs. You see anyone here praising the whatever u referring to as "government"?sted - Please show us that QBN member who is defending the made up invented concept you call big pharma.sted
- there are 195 sovereign states in the world. they all have governments, they are all evil or just a few?sted
- the value of the top 50 of the global pharmaceutical industry varies from 80B to 3B, so what counts as big?sted
- What the fuck are you even talking about. Almost every country followed the same protocol and administered the same vaccines so what's your point?Rendle
- "people that believe without question what the government and big pharma say"
read the previous notes here.sted
- Chimp1
Another conspiracy nut doctor.
“Goodbye Papa. I promise you with all my heart I will ensure that your premature passing will not be in vain & that we achieve justice for those who have suffered unnecessarily from an mRNA jab that should likely never have been approved & certainly not without informed consent.”
- Yes, another conspiracy nut doctor
https://en.wikipedia…yuekit - I mean I'm sorry his dad died but using his dad's death like this is a bit troubling no?yuekit
- The guy has 400k followers and is retweeting the same conspiracist/ culture war accounts as everyone else...Bret Weinstein, Peter McCullough, Jordan Peterson.yuekit
- Does it never occur to people these guys might not have the best intentions?yuekit
- The only answer you have is that anyone who voices their concern about the vaccines is a conspiracy nut. You're begging to sound like one yourself.Chimp
- No but it's remarkable how all of them seem to be doing this as an act of self-promotion. Why not publish research that proves vaccines are deadlyyuekit
- if you care so much about this issue? Instead of going on a hundred podcasts, making vague allegations etc.yuekit
- So rather than spread the news they've discovered they should stay quiet? And if they don't stay quiet then obviously there lying? What kind of logic is thatRendle
- They'reRendle
- Yes, another conspiracy nut doctor
- utopian-3
- _niko0
after 3 years this are the facts:
it was started in a lab in wuhan in conjunction with Bill gates to activate the 5G via the chips in the vaccine and to take our freedoms and male the rothchilds rich and then the vaccine was actually a poison vaccine that causes heart attacks in everyone and strokes. and it killed millions of athletes including that bills guy.
did I get it about right?
- YesCovid69
- forgot to mention Hunter Biden... but closehydro74
- And made everyone magneticAkagiyama
- https://i.imgur.com/…utopian
- Yep., Big pharma came to save the day.hotroddy
- QBN DYOR science lords ftwinteliboy
- This is establishment propaganda, everyone knows that *the virus doesn't exist, did you not listen to David Icke YOU MORONSyuekit
- It’s easy to shut down a conversation by shouting antivaxx when the truth is more complicated.Chimp
- It’s also easy to have 6 burner accounts and downvote posts you don’t like lol how did this go from +6 to -1 in 1 minute as soon as chimp came on? Yikes_niko
- Perhaps not everyone agrees with you.Chimp
- Perhaps not everyone agrees with me.
And that's alright.palimpsest - I really hate that I accidentally downvoted this at first because chatter like that is something.. people actually do.garbage
- There should be something akin to a driver's test for commenting on the internet.garbage
- So either all alternative views are true, or none? Is that your idiotic stance?Rendle
- yuekit-1
PSA to those of you who believe this stuff: anti-vaxx COVID influencers like John Campbell, Bret Weinstein, Robert Malone, Peter McCullough, the Peak Prosperity guy and others are lying to you.
At the very least these people are not who you should be turning to for medical advice. It would be like getting your news only from the tabloids at the supermarket, then wondering why it's not consistent with what you read in the New York Times. Or getting financial advice from the guy selling you gold in a late-night informercial.
Social media is filled with people trying to confuse and misdirect you for financial gain or political purposes, and those of you repeating this stuff are falling for it. Even if you don't trust the government, there's no reason to think the goofy fake doctor or self-described whistleblower on Facebook or Twitter is telling the truth.
- BTW I'm not calling anyone stupid here. Millions of people have fallen for this nonsense. But generally speaking, real scientists and doctors don't pushyuekit
- made up cures, they correct themselves when proven wrong, they don't go on a TV show produced by a religious cult. Some basic heuristics you can use to judge.yuekit
- So the doctors that are voicing their concerns about the vaccine are antivaxxers?Chimp
- as naive as it is to follow this lot, you have to be equally naive to think “good science and good intentions” is an accurate description of the medical ind.monNom
- The status quo have proven themselves untrustworthy. Not merely incompetent, but vicious as well. You don’t have to be a PhD to spot corruption.monNom
- Is it any wonder these celebrity ‘doctors’ are finding an audience?monNom
- Chimp you really need to quantify how many doctors. If it's 12 doctors featured on a politically driven advocacy site, no that's not good evidence.yuekit
- Doctors and scientists are human beings like the rest of us, some of them can easily be misled. The way you prove things in science is by publishing researchyuekit
- and subjecting it to scrutiny, something that is notably lacking among this bunch of weirdos.yuekit
- monNom you can't generalize like that. Of course there are SOME people in the medical industry who are dishonest, here are a few of them lol.yuekit
- Instead of this vague sentiment that medical industry is corrupt, post some evidence for the specific thing you're claiming.yuekit
- Also lol @ the mass downvoting campaign. All this post is saying is that these specific people are not trustworthy.yuekit
- Brett is looking healty. Losing weight is the most effective vaccine.zardoz
- LOL Epoch TV American thought leaders.
also a magic cult from china.pango - lol you really are in psychosis. I shouldn't lol but I can't help it.Rendle
- Your source and your data for them being liars is 'trust me bro' ?Rendle
- You think these people with nothing to gain are more likely lying than multi billion dollar big pharma corporations?Rendle
- Pfizer holds the record for the criminal fine in history. For... wait for it... Illegal promoting toxic drugsRendle
- Wake up my friend. Wake up. Snap out of it. You've been brainwashed. Genuinely.Rendle
- Largest criminal fine in history***Rendle
- Lol you think they have nothing to gain?pango
- From going against the mainstream and potentially being ostracised and banned? Yes, I do think that. Explain yourself...Rendle
- hey the niche pool is still a considerably big pool. alex jones was making $20 million in annual revenue in 2014. if you can tap into it.pango
- yuekit0
Anyway ultimately this shouldn't be so complicated.
For those of you convinced you're right about the vaccines being dangerous, just post 1) the specific thing you're claiming, 2) evidence (in the form of a study or systematic analysis) that it's true.
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- “Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 10.1 and 15.1 per 10,000”Chimp
- https://pubmed.ncbi.…Chimp
- So around 1 in 800 chance of a serious side effect doesn’t sound safe to me. Especially if you’re young.Chimp
- So there is one thing. Can you now admit that these vaccine while they did help some were dangerous to others?Chimp
- Hmmm didn't we already discuss this study? You can read a more critical analysis of it here:yuekit
- https://sciencebased…yuekit
- Basically what they did was go back to the original Pfizer and Moderna trials and broaden the list of things that counted as "adverse events."yuekit
- But whether you trust this study or not, how is it in any way consistent with the idea that large numbers of people are dying from the vaccines?yuekit
- I gave you one thing with evidence. Why can’t you accept it?Chimp
- Posting an editorial article by 1 author doesn’t discredit a scientific report.Chimp
- lol, of course after posting it's good to analyze what it actually says no?yuekit
- Even if we buy this study, what it says is there's a 1 in 800 risk of adverse event, which includes things like diarrhea and getting a rash.yuekit
- It also shows there's a lower risk of myocarditis among vaccine recipients in the Moderna trial, slightly higher (2 people vs 1 person) in Pfizer trial.yuekit
- And sure, the idea that cost-benefit might be not worth it among some age groups is a legitimate debate to have.yuekit
- But it's a million miles away from the debate we were having, isn't it? Where people were claiming vaccine deaths are common, the government lied etc.yuekit
- @yuekit it also includes death as a side effect. Can you now admit that these vaccines aren't safe for all?Chimp
- You've been given clear evidence but still you're not capable of admitting that these vaccines are dangerous to some.Chimp
- Do you understand what I said above? This is just taking Pfizer and Moderna's existing studies and changing categorization of what is a serious adverse event.yuekit
- The Pfizer and Moderna studies already classified death as a serious event so that's not something you needed this paper to tell you.yuekit
- If you look at the original vaccine studies, they included around 20k people in vaccine group and 20k in placebo group.yuekit
- The number of deaths was in the low single digits and none of them were related to the vaccine. A few deaths in the placebo group were attributed to COVID.yuekit
- So people dying from vaccines actually has been tested in large-scale studies and it doesn't support large number of deaths at all.yuekit
- The study you're citing doesn't change that, instead it takes the exact the same studies and expands the number of less serious illnesses classified as ayuekit
- "serious adverse event." So it's really a debate over what is considered a serious side effect on the lower end of the scale.yuekit
- My friend's cousin's neighbor.palimpsest
- yuekit, why is it so hard for you to admit that the vaccine has killed people. There is no doubt in that. Safe vaccines don't kill people.Chimp
- I never said they didn't. 5.5 billion people took some kind of vaccine, it would be incredible if no one had a bad reaction that killed them.yuekit
- But you have to put this in perspective. Taking aspirin is estimated to kill thousands of people a year, should we ban aspirin?yuekit
- Doctors aren't coming forward asking to suspend aspirin.Chimp
- What would actually convince you the vaccines are safe enough to use?yuekit
- 1 in 800 risk of side effects vs 1 in 88 dead from covid. hhmmm. I'll take what's behind door #1 Alex._niko
- Niko, your number is totally off. It's more like "0.09% CMR, or 86 deaths per 100,000 population" in under 65s.Chimp
- yuekit, good question. Having a much lower then 1 in 800 risk of side effects, not knowing 2 people who have died and my GFs sister having heart arrhythmiaChimp
- Or if I was over 65 and didn't have antibodies from infection, the trade off might be worth it.Chimp
- yuekit, when did you take your last booster and at what point will you stop taking it?Chimp
- I'm not some kind of vaccine fanatic who's going to keep getting booster shots forever lol...I had Pfizer vaccine in 2021 and then J&J this year.yuekit
- I experienced zero side effect BTW, and never got COVID either. The thing that is really disturbing IMO are these cases of "long COVID" where people becomeyuekit
- permanently sick and it disrupts their life.yuekit
- Also consider this...
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - Many of the things people assume are caused by vaccines could be caused by COVID itself.yuekit
- hans_glib5
jfc are we still arguing about this shit?
can't we just live and let live?
/hippyshit- More like live and let die with the vaccine genocide that's taking place (according to some of you)yuekit
- But yeah if nothing everyone should check NSFW box, just keep it in this thread and not on the frontpage/yuekit
- what, hit the 'reset button'?zardoz
- I'm no longer human, your rules don't apply to me.palimpsest
- palimpsest, were you ever human after all? Do you have a Daft Punk Helmet?Chimp
- its both funny and sad watching both sides take the baitYakuZoku
- palimpsest5
Discuss- Panopticon stats? :Dsted
- Yes, on this thread's posts by year.palimpsest
- Github commits?section_014
- Posts per day, same as the graph beneath it. You can see they correspond to the peaks.palimpsest
- palimpsest3
For comparison and discussion- not more cryptographs pleasehans_glib
- # truss the siencepalimpsest
- Ooooh.
Does this mean crypto is going up?
To the moon?
Or HODL?Continuity - Buy the dip?Continuity
- < Early Black Flag concept logos. CD heard saying "Don't you fuckers ever learn, simplify, simplify, simplify"Morning_star
- Numbers don't lie.palimpsest
- your github activity looks weirdsted
- yuekit4
One question it seem like no one tried to answer after all this debate...how many people actually died from the vaccines?
Last week a study came out looking at every potential vaccine-related death in the country of Qatar. They found that the number with high probability of relationship to SARS-CoV-2 vaccination is 0.34 per 100,000 vaccinations.
https://www.nature.com/articles/…
If you project that onto the total vaccinated population of USA, it means just under 900 people died from the vaccines in the entire country.
This is a rough estimate of course and 900 deaths isn't nothing but is it worth all this controversy? That's less than the number of people who died in a single day from COVID on nearly every day of the pandemic during 2020-2021.
The number killed by people not being vaccinated meanwhile, is estimated at nearly 319,000...around a third of the entire death toll of USA.
- Vaccine or no vaccine not enough people are dying.palimpsest
- ˄ it's always been about thatsted
- Some people say all the death was due to the vacccine so there’s no reasoning with some folksmonospaced
- Pro-vac: Too many COVID deaths, not enough vaccine deaths.
Anti-vac: Not enough COVID deaths, too many vaccine deaths.palimpsest - Pre-Vac: Not enough deaths.sted
- math isn't anti-vaxxers' strong suit._niko
- this is chimp and everyone else's argument: Food allergies cause x amount of side effect and x amount of deaths per year so you're a moron if you eat food._niko
- When the vaxx is proven to be harmless for you, you can always get a vaxx later. But, if the vaxx is proven to be bad, you never can get unvaxxed... Never!Elwin74
- or Big food, I guess, just grow your own kale or raise your own chickens man. Oh and liver just eat raw liver, you'll be fine._niko
- You'll never convince some people but I think the Qatari scientists have a point when they say putting an actual number on the vaccine deaths is important.yuekit
- When the government keeps repeating shit like "the vaccines are safe and effective...Trust The Science™" the natural reaction of more paranoid people mayyuekit
- be to jump out of the nearest window. In reality the numbers seem to be quite low, definitely not worth the hysteria you see on social media.yuekit
- https://www.reuters.…yuekit
- ^ According to this, things that are riskier than getting vaccinated w/mRNA vaccine include: riding a bike, swimming and taking aspirin.yuekit
- The food allergies analogies is one of the worst analogies I've ever seen. Food allergies are the vaccine and food is the vaccine as well?
Good times!palimpsest - I do appreciate the effort and the entertainement value!palimpsest
- You can have a look at VAERS or British yellow book to see the thousands of deaths reported. Why aren't the media reporting that?Rendle
- After reporting every single 'covid death'. Those that that haven't figured out what's going on yet are truly unfathomable. Psychosis is a hell of a thingRendle
- By the way they estimate that less than 5% of deaths and injuries are reported to VAERS etcRendle
- The fact is we don't know the true number because it's being suppressedRendle
- More athletes have dropped dead in the past two years than the last 40 combined. The data is out there.Rendle
- "The fact is we don't know the true number because it's being suppressed" but you are one of the chosen one who gets up to date numbers projected into his brainsted
- PS the food analogy is retarded. This is an experimental, irreversible, gene altering therapy, not a bacon sandwich.Rendle
- ps you don't know what "therapy" means or even "gene altering". lol fucking muppet.sted
- experimental, -> gets your attention
irreversible, -> gets you scared
gene altering therapy, -> makes it look like it's something smart.sted - They didn't test it. That's experimental. It's gene editing technology. Which is irreversible. What about any of this don't you understand exactly?Rendle
- Why do you feel the need to insult me? Your like these new wave of liberal freaks that take feelings over facts.Rendle
- You're*Rendle
- where are those facts exactly? because all we see from you is throwing around buzzwords and using argument formulas what puts you into the dumbfuck category.sted
- I have no problem with that, you're just another idiot talking nonsense, and it's good that it was revealed so soon.sted
- That's nice that you think I'm an idiot. I've mentioned VAERS and yellow book and I've posted a video with the numbers of people that died suddenlyRendle
- If you won't look then I can't help you.Rendle
- Anyone can enter anything into VAERS, there's no verification at all. You could sit there all day and enter fake vaccine related illnesses (and this probablyyuekit
- has happened considering how obsessed some people are with this shit lol). Every time there's a real study they're unable to find these mass vaccine deaths.yuekit
- What is this weird world where you think it's more likely people are faking vaccine injury than it is big pharma hiding it? I mean, seriously?Rendle
- It's the equivalent of an online poll. It gives you a vague idea but isn't scientific and can easily be gamed.yuekit
- And if people were really dying from the vaccines in large numbers, why didn't it show up in the study I posted here?yuekit
- In this study they looked at every single possible vaccine-related death in the country. Almost everyone took mRNA vaccines.yuekit
- Why didn't evidence that goes against multi billion dollar industries showing up in mainstream sources? You're not serious... SurelyRendle
- This is scientists carrying out a study that addresses exactly what people said they are concerned about with the vaccines.yuekit
- They didn't find zero deaths, but a very small number out of the millions of doses given. At some point I think you have to have faith that, if something isyuekit
- true, scientists somewhere in the world will be able to figure it out. One government could censor information but it's unlikely to be censored everywhere.yuekit
- ˄ not just governments, private labs too
*small pharma lol :Dsted - Many people seem to want to prove the vaccines are killing lots of people so why hasn't anyone been able to do it? Anyone should be able to analyze theyuekit
- deaths in countries around the world, draw a correlation with when vaccines were administered...but there's no study like this I've seen.yuekit
- Rendle-1
Imagine believing in 'the science' and then not only does the science give you heart failure but the social media companies censor you when you try to tell people.
- Instagram deleted my account for posting testimonies of the deaths and injuries. This is a crime against humanity. Have no doubt. The truth will come outRendle
- musk's free speech twitter is working.pango
- nutritional deficiencies, can lead to sunken eyes, which is clearly visible on the face, and can lead to more serious health problems in the long run.sted
- at least ryan lived to tell about it. imagine don't believe in 'the science' and died the way they told you you might. https://i.imgur.com/…pango
- lolRendle