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- mg333
A bit more Texas specific, but relevant. This all hit me earlier this week.
The more insane Texas gets thanks to weak-minded, selfish, frightened white Republican men, the more I understand why I was so confused as a teenager and college student by Florida Cuban’s love of Cuba despite the hell it was thanks to Castro. Especially during the saga of Elian Gonzalez being returned to his father in Cuba.
I get it now: those people loved the idea of Cuba, and the fact that Cuba was their homeland. They just hated the leader and when waving flags and celebrating their heritage, they weren’t celebrating Castro. They were celebrating the idea of Cuba.
As a Texan who loves the state I was born in and still calls home, have made an infinite number of memories in, a state that offers some of the most beautiful landscapes and natural diversity of any, a state with some of the best food you can find in America, a state typically presenting an abundance of hospitality and friendliness (especially before political division and the MAGA era made us all loathe each other for our differences), I GET IT. I can celebrate my Texas heritage and all the things above, while absolutely despising the governor and other leaders who are turning it into a backwards-looking, oppressive, ignorant, failure of a state BY DESIGN, simply because a bunch of white men can’t stand equality, are obsessed with guns, and want to keep the populace stupid to achieve their goals.
It all makes so much sense now.
- pr21
The abortion overturn vote was not about woman's rights but about who decides the laws governing our everyday reality. If it happens on federal level (as the abortion was mandated up to now) or local state level.
Personally i think the local level often is closer to what the voters want.
- How many want to force a pregnant teenager, raped by her father, even with a life-threatening pre-existing condition to have a child?CyBrainX
- There are several states headed in that direction. States' rights is poor argument when some of the states are Oklahoma.CyBrainX
- Calm down, ladies, pr2 is here to explain it to you.Fax_Benson
- This is like saying "the Civil War was about states rights." Technically correct maybe but completely misses the point.yuekit
- wrong as usualmonospaced
- I can imagine your moronic ass saying this to a woman and making a fucking fool of yourself. Of course you would remove the woman from this. Asshole.monospaced
- @mono Don't bother engaging. pr2 has shown time and time again that he's incapable of reason.garbage
- I can’t help myself when confronted with this level of ignorance and reckless, morally fucked thinking.monospaced
- I know, but it's like that old maxin: Never roll in the mud with a pig. You get dirty, and the pig likes it.garbage
- Word.monospaced
- https://i.imgur.com/…utopian
- the usual suspects chirp away like texting teenagers without much reason or concrete thought.pr2
- yuekit, that's exactly the same argument. should an issue be decided on federal or local level.pr2
- some issues are undeniably federal: hard to find anyone arguing that it's ok to enslave people but...pr2
- ...you will find plenty who who have different definitions of where life begins (thus if it should be protected).pr2
- Missing the point. Roe v Wade provided a fundamental right. Any state taking it away is fucked to the core just like your sick gross “soul” you stupid cunt.monospaced
- How you have upvotes is beyond me. You are the problem with this country and I wish only the worst for you in life and for your familymonospaced
- People like you should have to face the results of your idiocy. I hope you have a daughter who gets violently raped and you have to raise the child.monospaced
- And then you can explain that you prefer it that way and it’s her fault, because the punishment for abortion is higher than that of raping a minor.monospaced
- Fuck you, and fuck anyone who upvoted this soulless piece of human garbage. Science denying shitbag. That’s pr2monospaced
- mono once again reveals his fascination with totalitarianism and Nazism. You are a caricature of a human being. Stupid to the core and heartless,pr2
- nb2
America has the time to reverse reproductive rights but no time to figure out how to get baby formula on store shelves
- lowimpakt1
The US is a shithole
- garbage3
Oh neat, we have our own Decree 770.
Can't wait for the wave of dangerous black market abortions, and unwanted orphans that the GOP will do absolutely nothing to support in terms of education, health care or housing. There will be waves of unwanted, angry stupid teenagers being born from poor families that can't afford to travel for an abortion.
We're going to refer to our decretei as "Rowies". Just watch.
And a preemptive "fuck you" to any bobos that are ok with this, and don't see that this is just the beginning of 6-3 votes that will strip away our rights.
That especially goes to some of our clowns that throw "commie" around when they get confused. Forced natalism? That's literally out of the commie handbook.
- It’s like they want more people reliant on the system. Socialist scum? LOLmonospaced
- nb0
Let me get this straight.
The Supreme Court isn’t forcing any state to ban abortions. That’s on each state. The people in those states get to elect their leaders. Half the voters are women.
So who’s to blame again?
Is it Mitch McConnell or RBG or Fox News or Obama or Trump or the Senate
- I’m not trying to blame women but this seems like an easy problem to solve if they want tonb
- The Supreme Court voted to dismantle roe v Wade, which gave women the right to an abortion at a national, constitutional level 50 years agomonospaced
- So now, each state can decide their own abortion levels and don’t have to obey a national ordinance granting rights. They can and have removed the right ...monospaced
- .. and in some cases have criminalized abortion too. Nobody is to blame except the rise of extreme Christian conservatismmonospaced
- Trump you can blame partly because he put the players in place to make it happen.monospaced
- whatthefunk1
- the women clearly didn't hit the internet before putting foreign objects into their vaginas. this is NOT how illegal abortions are done.pr2
- face_melter-5
Instead of giving giving to insipid politicians whose only response to this sinister and abject fuckery is reading poems, telling everyone to vOtE and giB Me MUNnY, put that money towards local crisis and abortion/ reproductive rights orgs.
Mutual aid and support is the only way forward, without the fucking decrepit and flapping bags of dust that allowed this to happen.
Never rely on those in authority to look out for your best interests. Never.
- This is such a hipster view face, sorry but it is...going out to check a box on a piece of paper doesn't stop you from engaging in "mutual aid."yuekit
- If this was the 1964 election where LBJ was running vs Goldwater, one of them supporting Civil Rights Act the other opposing it, will you say the same thing?yuekit
- "here is my home, I will not be silenced" is about an Israeli settlement named Kiryat Shmona that displaced the Palestinian village of al-Khalisa. So democracyPhanLo
- Chimp-1
Do you guys think this will lead to an exodus from the states that ban abortion thus making them even more extreme, further widening the social divide in the US? Or will people stay in their states and try to change things?
- yuekit0
To people who say don't vote, how is this ruling not the direct result of voting?
Americans voted for Bush twice, he appointed three far-right justices.
Americans in their infinite wisdom then elected Donald Trump as president, he did the same.
Along the way American voters elected a conservative House and Senate under Obama, denying him the ability to appoint an additional liberal justice.
All along the way you had people arguing it didn't matter including people on the left like Bernie Sanders' former press secretary here...
These elections were very close, in fact Bush and Trump both "won" with a minority of the vote. That points to the fucked up American electoral system, but it's also just a fact that if a few thousand people had voted differently in key states Roe vs Wade would not have been overturned.
- Bush only appointed Roberts and Alito. There was no third.CyBrainX
- Fun fact: Without he Electoral College Clarence Thomas would be the the only pro-life justice.CyBrainX
- Oh yeah sorry, Bush only appointed two theocratic far-right justices :) But without either of these very close elections it wouldn't have happened.yuekit
- Continuity2
I see a lot of comments out there on news article comments sections, people imploring others to vote in the US mid-terms, in order to try and undo the damage the SC wrought.
I don't think this is enough. It seems to me that the US needs to re-design and re-build its entire political system from the ground up.
The way it is now, the republic's system of election and operation is based nearly directly on France's republican model ...
... from the 18th century.
And therein lies the problem. France's republican system of election and government has since evolved as to be almost completely unrecognisable from what it was back when the US decided this was a good model to follow.
Only a complete overhaul will prevent legislative and judicial extremism and binary representation in the form of only two parties.
A re-design and re-built will allow for more parties representing the boradest possible scope of constituents' interests.
- Sure but which one is going to be easier? Blocking Republicans from winning an election + doing even more damage or reinventing the entire US political system?yuekit
- Also, change the role of the preseident to be a ceremonial head of state role, and create a prime minister position that acts as head of government ...Continuity
- ... with far less unilateral power. It's bonkers that one person can have as much direct power as a US president does.Continuity
- I think blocking Republicans _can_ be a short-term goal, yes, but without that long-term goal of reinvention, it's just going to be more of the same ...Continuity
- ... year after year after year.Continuity
- The two goals should not — and, indeed, can not — be mutually exclusive.Continuity
- If we're talking about specific issue of SC overturning Roe then it absolutely would have been prevented by just a small number of people voting the other way.yuekit
- I know, but how many more Roe-like incidents can a country tolerate? And how many times can that country be in election panic mode before ...Continuity
- ... they realise that it needs to be re-done completely, from the ground up?Continuity
- Beyond that sure let's totally raze the system to the ground and start over...I'm not opposed to that. I just worry that it can be an excuse for some people toyuekit
- My point is: the current system promotes binarism which, in turn, promotes extremism, whether legislatively, judicially, or executively.Continuity
- And that's got to stop, if the US is ever going to find its way out of the dark ages.Continuity
- not do anything, same way you hear people say things like "we can't solve climate change until capitalism is abolished" or something. We may not have the luxuryyuekit
- of waiting until the global anarcho-communist revolution has wrapped up before we act on climate change. Most people saying these kinds of things have no ideayuekit
- how to get from here to there as far as I can see...yuekit
- Nop, we don't have the luxury, I agree with you there. But I think that genuinely intewlligent and temperate people in the US should make an effort to kick theContinuity
- process of meaningful change off now. Otherwise, the catalyst could very well come in the form of escalated civil war-like violence.Continuity
- Which is certainly not an ideal situation.Continuity
- Eeek. Pardon the typos. I'm under-caffeinated.Continuity
- No worries and like I said I don't disagree with you in principle. But I think problem here is that there actually are these big splits in American society.yuekit
- Americans can barely agree on some milquetoast gun legislation after horrific mass shootings but they're going to agree on redoing the entire system?yuekit
- There are, of course. But I think that they are — in large part, anyway — caused by binarism of the system.Continuity
- Take a look at the Dems, for example. That party is split up into so-called moderate Dems, and progressives. What that does is more or less ensures progrsssivesContinuity
- ... interested are never really _truly_ representated by the party, much less acted upon. And, indeed, the two factions hate each other.Continuity
- If the system allowed for multiple parties, then progressives could unhook themselves from the Dems, and still have representation in Congress.Continuity
- Yeah I like the European system much better where you can have alliances between different parties.yuekit
- Bingo. Even in Westminster-style partliaments, like Canada's, loose coalitions can have (the Liberals are currently dependent on the NDP's support).Continuity
- But you ARE absolutely right that no-one will agree on changing the US system now. But, I think, someone with a far(ish) reaching voice needs to startContinuity
- ... that conversation by actually broaching the subject. To my knowledge and to date, I don't believe anyone has.Continuity
- The thing is Americans look at their system as basically being handed down by Jesus. They can't recognize that many countries actually improved on it.yuekit
- And if that conversation is either kept warm (or, at least, comes up fairly regularly), then over time, appetite would increase.Continuity
- That's the basis of this ruling after all...SC is saying the right to abortion wasn't in the original Constitution so we're cancelling it.yuekit
- Ha! You're not wrong. But I still have trust that there are relatively intelligent, secular, and common sensical people in positions of influence in the USContinuity
- ... who could help sell that change to the masses.Continuity
- I think that kind of fundamental change could happen...AFTER the current GOP has been wiped out as a viable political force.yuekit
- Hm. The question is, *will* they be truly wiped out as a viable political force. This is where I'm not at all confident, considering the decades of build-up ...Continuity
- ... to it, starting with Reagan.Continuity
- Republicans in the past were more moderate...so yeah of course. Things always change.yuekit
- As cliche as it is to blame Fox News, I think this actually did have a big impact. it was the first time TV was totally partisan. And that only goes back to 96.yuekit
- This is true, media is playing an outsized role, here. And yeah, the GOP were more moderate in the past, also true.Continuity
- Government should be run by AI, what could go wrong?Chimp
- PhanLo6
- Is the USA even a 1st world country?Chimp
- It masquerades as onePhanLo
- USA is big enough that some parts aren't really that different from Canada, others more like Canada meets Saudi Arabiayuekit
- US vs. Romaniagrafician
- Even the richest parts don’t have universal healthcare.Chimp
- For people below a certain income and 65+ they are covered by government programs and there is the ACA which gives subsidies to cover insurance.yuekit
- But yeah it's definitely not universal and nothing like in the UK where it's all government run. Also insanely expensive.yuekit
- A huge chunk of Americans have quality healthcare subsidized by their employers along with stable jobs.monospaced
- aka, most of the middle and upper classmonospaced
- That is not fine. It puts you at the mercy of your employer. This is why you're so fucked when you lose a job or you do anything to keep one.grafician
- < We have all these in Europe solved, so why tf can't America just borrow all the solutions?grafician
- https://www.economis…fadein11
- 2nd lowest vax uptake in Europe also.fadein11
- Ah yes whataboutism again. It's literally about rights you idiots! Not the quality of a specific system. We have it, the US don't.grafician
- "borrow all the solutions"
"we have all these in Europe solved"
Of course this is a rights issue you muppet.fadein11 - trolling this thread is a low point even for you.fadein11
- trolling!?! everybody around here is seriously concerned you idiot
also for the fucking UK, you guys seem drunk toografician - "So you're glad about it?
Wow.
grafician"
"US v Romania"
You're an antagonising prick. Fuck off.fadein11 - You missed my point. I'm trying to say that a huge chunk of Americans have great healthcare through a provider/employer and therefore don't think about it muchmonospaced
- A lot of people view universal healthcare like the free lunch program. They just don't think they qualify and they know it isn't high quality.monospaced
- Don't confuse this with an argument against UHC, it's not. It's an assessment of the situation where many Americans aren't making this a big issue.monospaced
- nb5
pr2: “ Personally i think the local level often is closer to what the voters want.”
The problem with this argument is that it is intellectual but not human. To use an overly dramatic phrase, allowing states to make abortion a prosecutable crime is a kind of tyranny of the majority.
There are many things that democracy doesn’t solve. It’s why we have justices at various levels, all outside of government. It’s why colleges grant tenure. As a free society we accept many of these things all the time.
For example, if the people of Texas voted to re-instate slavery, would you argue that this is permissible because it’s “closer to what the voters want?” Of course not, that’s silly.
You’re arguing that a state legislature should be allowed to criminalize a doctor and patient for providing a service that is legally considered healthcare in another part of the country. And, you’re inferring that the voters should be allowed to overturn that decision every election cycle at a “local” level.
The argument is intellectual, perhaps even logical, but it is devoid of humanity. It ignores the human reality of what it means to live in a free society.
- +1monospaced
- i think you seem to be confused a bit. the "free society" decides the rules it wants. this is what humanity is about.pr2
- grafician-1
- They will not stop here - contraception, lgbt rights, etc. will follow, wait and see.
All these happen usually under communist regimes...grafician - We will also probably see actions to add the right to abortion in the constitutions of many countries in Europegrafician
- lol @ wait and see. You’re not making a prediction. It’s already in the works.monospaced
- So you're glad about it?
Wow.grafician - of course not, wtf? Have you not seen anything I’ve said on the topic?monospaced
- I’m laughing at what, to me, appears to be you attempting at being insightful. Maybe just my interpretation but it appears you thought you made a prediction.monospaced
- https://www.qbn.com/…imbecile
- They will not stop here - contraception, lgbt rights, etc. will follow, wait and see.
- grafician0
"America Is Growing Apart, Possibly for Good
The great “convergence” of the mid-20th century may have been an anomaly.
By Ronald Brownstein"
"To Podhorzer, the growing divisions between red and blue states represent a reversion to the lines of separation through much of the nation’s history. The differences among states in the Donald Trump era, he writes, are “very similar, both geographically and culturally, to the divides between the Union and the Confederacy. And those dividing lines were largely set at the nation’s founding, when slave states and free states forged an uneasy alliance to become ‘one nation.’”"
https://www.theatlantic.com/poli…
- The more woke the left becomes, the more extreme the right becomes.Chimp
- ********-11
Biden Admin Replaces 'Mothers' With 'Birthing People' in Maternal Health Guidance
- Not an problem. Try again.monospaced
- it kind of is, you alienate a lot of women.tank02
- Right. Because women think THIS is the issue. Lol. (Hint: they don’t.)monospaced
- Also it alienates them from nothing in any conceivable way. So ... try again. America is fucked and I guarantee this is not on the list of reasons why.monospaced
- Monosplains by mansplainingGnash
- Retards********
- gnash, in with nothing useful and also strikes out with a completely nonsense assessment of me. Weak trolling try again.monospaced
- these guys clearly needed the help based on the sheer ignorance on display behind their commentsmonospaced
- @monospaced Does your wife knows you're on QBN tonight?grafician
- I identify as a racist Japanese dog and my pronouns are woof/bark. Because I said so. Respect that, you stupid fuck.********
- @graf does this decision affect you or anyone you know in any way whatsoever? are you even in a relationship or considering children?monospaced
- because yes she does know and she has the same point of view. Why do you ask?monospaced
- And you wonder why people voted for idiots like Trump...Chimp
- How many votes does the right gain every time the left does something stupid like this?Chimp
- You’re asking how many bigots are created and empowered every time the left moves toward equality?monospaced
- ^ Equality? Are you fucking high? Fucking bullshit dumbing-down is equality to you?********
- Where is the end of this cuck fuckery? Let's call everyone EARTH PEOPLE? Fuck off, cunt.********
- calm the fuck down, this is a non issue in every way, and that's my pointmonospaced
