Malaysia Flight MH17
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- detritus0
OK, if the passports are fake.. why is that guy — early on the scene and embedded with the Russian separatists as he is — playing the game you are accusing them of?
Oh, right... hold on.
I guess that makes him a double agent too?
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It's almost perverse — and I mean sexually or psychologically-so — how much fantasy some people want to eke out of tragedies such as this.
- detritus0
"OMG WHY ARE THE CONTENTS OF THIS CASE NOT BURNED TO A CINDER?! WHAT MANNER OF PERVERSE ILLUMINATIJEWTECH IS AT PLAY HERE?!11one LOOK AT THAT FUCKING MOUSE... JUST LOOK AT IT! WHAT'S IT TRYING TO TELL US?" *sobs, consults My First Masonic Semitiocs Picture Handbook, checking what cartoon mice represent*
etc.
- detritus0
Shit — I've just noticed: The pencil the mouse is holding is pointing down... AT ISRAEL.
FUCKING MEGASPLODE!
ALERT JEFF RENSE!
HAIL ALEX JONES!- Yes, I'm avoiding work.detritus
- dude, take it easy. your pretty much out the info loop as much as anyone else in the public,yurimon
- I know, man — that's kind of my point. All the above shit is distraction from the real plays in hand here.detritus
- "the Public" = Morons.
myself included.detritus - we are the sheeps meow..yurimon
- wait...you know as much as everyone else? So how do you know the conspiracy stuff is not real? - just wanting to play alongcapn_ron
- most of us aren't smart enough to discriminate minutiae happenstance from intended consequence.detritus
- there are.. perhaps.. 3 outcomes relevant here, geopolitically. All ^this other BS is diversionary fluff.detritus
- You start out with trying to understand real history. do the best you can. events like this to me psy ops.yurimon
- pablo280
WASHINGTON (AP) — Senior U.S. intelligence officials said Tuesday that Russia was responsible for "creating the conditions" that led to the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, but they offered no evidence of direct Russian government involvement. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/u…
- sothere0
everything about this is a sickening display of how low people can go.
Maylasian airlines flying over a war zones to risk human life but save some dollars. The act itself of bombing a plane. the situation being used a PR stunt for the rebels, the looting. etc etc.
I'm fucking disgusted to be part of this human race.
- GeorgesII0
Ok so far,
Russia is the only country that has brought sat imagery and civilian radar to the table,
The black box are in malsysian hands,
Once again just like when Assad supposedly used chem weapons (now proven to be false) everyone jumps the gun to accuse the villain of the day,Except saying "russia is to blame for what happened" the US and their Ukrainian allies, haven't brought much to prove their accusations,
I bet you in 5 months it will come out in the down low that it was either a stupid mistake or the ukrainian coup government did it..
- Continuity0
@georges: the stupid mistake angle is more or less what both the BBC and the Guardian are thinking.
- sureshot0
the plane with some of the dead bodies will arrive in Holland around 4 o clock. pm. Holland will have a minute of silence.
live stream here. sorry its in dutch though. http://nos.nl/nieuws/live/journa…
- ukit20
Seems pretty obvious it was a mistake, why would they want to shoot down an airliner of civilians? The rebels previously shot down a Ukrainian plane, they tried again and fucked up.
Of course whenever something like this happens people will speculate that it's a false flag but it's not as if the Ukrainian government needs an excuse to go after the rebels.
Similarly the American government blaming Russia is silly, Putin clearly didn't want this to happen either.
- I've assumed that this semi-civil war is to make sure nobody has time to pay attention to the annexation of Crimeamrrgl
- Continuity0
I don't know if blaming Russia is silly. They are, after all, supporting the rebels.
As for Putin not wanting this to happen, who knows? He can basically pitch the whole of Europe into another depressing simply by raising the price of energy; which effectively make any round of sanctions from the EU toothless. He knows he holds the trump card, and this incident happening serves to reinforce Russia's position in this respect.
- *depressionContinuity
- This is why you don't bite the hand that feeds you gas, then complain about the same hand raising the prices, i still believe what happened in ukraine was a african style coup and don't give any credence to the government in power, seriously the minister of defense in s fuckn neo nazi, should I trust him, fuck noGeorgesII
- s what happened in ukraine was a african style coup and don't give any credence to the government in power, seriously the minister of defense in s fuckn neo nazi, should I trust him, fuck noGeorgesII
- the minister of defense in s fuckn neo nazi, should I trust him, fuck noGeorgesII
- thank bamayurimon
- GeorgesII0
Already changing the narrative, after telling everyone the ruskies did it, can't they just release the sat images,
The Los Angeles Times reports:
U.S. intelligence agencies have so far been unable to determine the nationalities or identities of the crew that launched the missile. U.S. officials said it was possible the SA-11 was launched by a defector from the Ukrainian military who was trained to use similar missile systems
- detritus0
What do you mean they're 'changing the narrative'?
They've spun it out as as best as they could plan, so quick — ‘Russia is to blame for meddling in a neighbouring state’, so they get to blame Putin for free. When the truth outs and this horrific affair is blamed on a cock up, the blame will sit with the Russian-aligned actors, leaving a smear of culpability dirtying the Russian reputation.
Nothing's changed, nothing's amended or evolved.
Ukraine gets sympathy and carte blanche to maintain its own subset of atrocity in its East, Europe pushes sanctions and America gets to export more gas. Poor ol' Russia's left looking to China and the BRICs, who won't do anything because the status quo suits them just fine.
Win-win-win and win again.
It's almost like some of you lot think that our political class don't know what game they're playing...
- detritus0
It doesn't matter if Russia's to blame — never did. All that's needed is time and space enough to smear, then sit back and let The People forget.
- set0
"Published on Jul 22, 2014
The former presidential candidate argued on his website over the weekend that the Obama administration and mainstream media jumped the gun in pointing a finger at Russian separatists in the downing of flight MH 17."They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and U.S.-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych," he said. "Without U.S.-sponsored 'regime change,' it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened."
Mr. Paul argued that neither Russia nor the separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain by shooting down a plane full of civilians. He did say, however, that "the Ukrainian government has much to gain by pinning the attack on Russia."
- set0
- military. wont even make the news like any of the other military jets they shot down.CygnusZero4
- do ppl not know that a bunch were shot down in the weeks before mh17? pretty normal over there.CygnusZero4
- it did make the news. that's why you know about. Pick up a newspaper once and while maybe.futuremongolian
- Once in a while*set
- CygnusZero40
Ive seen lot of people that were wondering why some of the luggage isnt burned. Its very possible that if the missile hit on the bottom, which is obviously what would have happened, luggage could have fallen out of the hole before it could be burned in the explosion or on the ground with the rest of the plane.
- yurimon0
At which point do these events become distraction of our own incompetence and our declining society? cause we cant get our sit together like the serfs that we are...
- benfal990
A plane just crashed :
Flight TransAsia GE 222
51 dead- Unfortunate, but utterly unrelated to this thread. Go take a valium, man.Continuity
- lol?benfal99
- lol @ "?"moldero