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- discipler0
No no, arinya. They are not in the Bible. Their writings were not inspired. They came after the canon of scripture. We were discussing them because the Watchtower teaches that the early Christians believed as the Watchtower does today.
- livenootrac0
Discipler your hardcore, I love it.
- discipler0
Agreed, fusion. The discussion was specific to the Watchtower's claim that early Christians believed as they do and how the Watchtower cites these believers out of context. So, my points were specific to that.
Ultimately, it's about what the Bible teaches.
- arinya0
Sorry Dis but your missinformed. These men have nothing to do with our beliefs.
- discipler0
"dumb fundies"... come now, scarabin. Secularist cop-outs like that don't add anything enlightening to the conversation. :)
Besides, do you mean Christian "fundies" or Secular Humanist "fundies"?
- Mimio0
How are those attributes godlike?
If it was vital doctrine it would be plainly stated, there would be no mystery or need for conjecture.
As far as the whole Sola Scriptura belief goes. Seems to me that if a God was trying to communicate his/her character he'd just come out and say it to each individual person. There would be no need for blind faith.
- discipler0
*sigh... arinya, you're missing the point. They do pertain to your beliefs when the organization you put your faith in says they believed like you do.
- discipler0
Mimio,
I'm demonstrating that those attributes denote personality. In contrast, The Watchtower teaches that "holy spirit" is an impersonal "active force" like electricity.
2. God wants us to look to his word to know his character and attributes. I don't follow your reference to blind faith here. My faith is based on what God has revealed about himself in scripture. And he has revealed himself clearly as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Matthew 28:19 -
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in [ Or into; see Acts 8:16; 19:5; Romans 6:3; 1 Cor. 1:13; 10:2 and Gal. 3:27.] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
- arinya0
Well all our beliefs are based on Biblical teachings and not what some men's opinions or additions to what the scriptures already say. What these apostales taugh or believed does not pertain to us. I've never read, learned or been taught any of the believes or opions of the men you are sighting.
- discipler0
arinya, you beliefs are based on the Watchtower's teachings which are ultimately dispensed by the "Governing Body" in Brooklyn NY. And you read from a Bible translation that is the result of 5 men who were not scholars.
- fusion410
Good point Mimio
Consider to that the Jews who were God’s chosen people until they rejected his son had no notion of a triune God. You’d think God would have clued them into this if it were indeed the case.
- arinya0
The Jehovah's Witnesses get their information from the discrete slave who are inspired by Jehovah and the holy scriptures. Not the ideas, theories or opinions of other men.
- discipler0
that's incorrect, fusion. The Hebrews understood that God had a plural nature. The word "Echod" translated "one" denotes this -
Deuteronomy 6:4 -
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is "one".
Additionally, the New Testament completes the Old Testament and the triune nature of God was not fully revealed until the coming of Christ and the promised Holy Spirit. One of the cardinal rules of Hermeneutics is that you always interpret the O.T. in light of the N.T.. Not the opposite.
- arinya0
Am I reading this wrong? It says he is one?
Deuteronomy 6:4 -
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is "one".
- discipler0
haha, arinya... the "descreet slave" is the governing body of men in Brooklyn NY who generate your Watchtower literature. They dispense the teachings.
And FYI... the "descreet slave" reference is another example of the Watchtower pulling a verse out of context. The context of the passage teaches that individual Christian teachers of all types are faithful and descreet slaves.
- fusion410
arinya
you a witness?
- discipler0
correct, arinya "one". Which in the hebrew is the word "Echod" which conveys a plurality of nature. Do a word study on it... without the Watchtower interpreting for you. Also, look at all the other passages I cited above in this thread.
- arinya0
What's so funny? Yeah they make up the governing body.
- discipler0
so, it is a group of men interpreting the Bible for you. That was my point.
- jakeyj0
finally a religious thread!