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- flagellum0
exactly, gramme. There are excellent alternatives to... well, death.
- GreedoLives0
i just feel that if you don't want to bear a child, you shouldn't be required to have it. That is entirely up to the people that created it. There is nothing worse than putting an unloved child into the world.
- todelete__20
I never understood how anyone can be completely for or against this topic.
Abortion as a birth control is fucked and should be banned. Common sense.
But a woman who is raped or a victim of incest or some other act of this nature should have the right to abort the fetus. Common sense.
Carry on.
- gramme0
i just feel that if you don't want to bear a child, you shouldn't be required to have it. That is entirely up to the people that created it. There is nothing worse than putting an unloved child into the world.
GreedoLives
(Jan 23 06, 09:18)Then put her/him up for adoption.
- flagellum0
Greedo, there is somebody out there who will love that child. Are you aware of the number of people who would give their left arm to adopt a child?
And what you describe is exactly what's wrong with our culture. ...convenience. "Let me act in any way I want and not have to be responsible for it."
Real character building.
- mrdobolina0
At what point does it become a baby?
- gramme0
Rape is an awful thing, I know women who have been raped and they are scarred for life.
As horrible as it is, if the woman gets pregnant it makes me sad to think that the baby could be aborted and receive the punishment that is due to the rapist.
- planet010
I just feel that if you don't want to have a child, you shouldn't. You shouldn't have unresponsable sex, you should be responsible and own up for what you have done if you do get pregnant. There is nothing worse than killing an unborn child.
- paraselene0
so be it. I get so weary of peope making automatic assumptions about my political leanings because I am pro-life. Absurd.
gramme
(Jan 23 06, 09:11)trawling for drama on the internet about things like freedom of choice and creationism tend to be the activities of people who have not so much political leanings, but a basic misunderstanding of the linchpin distinction that the constitution makes between church and state. sorry if i misjudged you, but the shoe fits, mate.
- flagellum0
mrdobs, the human zygote has all the genetic information of an adult, pretty much at conception. The digital code is in place.
- mrdobolina0
Rape is an awful thing, I know women who have been raped and they are scarred for life.
As horrible as it is, if the woman gets pregnant it makes me sad to think that the baby could be aborted and receive the punishment that is due to the rapist.
gramme
(Jan 23 06, 09:21)So you think that rapists should be killed, but have a problem with a fetus being aborted...
Doesnt that seem a bit inconsistent?
- flagellum0
amen, planet.
- gramme0
At what point does it become a baby?
mrdobolina
(Jan 23 06, 09:21)At the point of conception, everything needed to develop into a full-grown woman or man is in place. The baby could then be placed in an artificial womb and develop into a perfectly healthy person.
Before conception, it's only eggs and sperm.
- Mimio0
Mimio, still don't know the science on this issue either? Go and learn when the "cyst" (zygote which has all the genetic information of an adult human) has a heartbeat. And then learn when the average person actually has the abortion procedure done.
flagellum
(Jan 23 06, 09:15)Most pro-lifers believe conception is the definition of life. I'm making a basic point and broad point, not trying to define the initiation of life itself.
- planet010
less than 1% of abornions are due to rape, incest, etc.
if the law could be changed to bring it down to that, it would be a positive change.
however, even in those cases, it's still a life.
- radar0
I'm all for choice.
Question though, does the "Day After Pill", fall under the title abortion?
- gramme0
So you think that rapists should be killed, but have a problem with a fetus being aborted...
Doesnt that seem a bit inconsistent?
mrdobolina
(Jan 23 06, 09:23)Actually, I believe the rapist should be castrated and be forced to live in such a state.
The baby, on the other hand, has done no wrong and therefore is innocent.
- randomBboy0
your real arguments are "when does life begin"
the way i look at it is:
when can the unborn be removed from the woman and still survive on it's own (be alive). I believe that number is at about 24 weeks or so. prior to that point it is not living and could not live on it's own and needs the mother to live ( thus being part of the mother). Since it is still part of the mother, the mother should have the right to do whatever the hell she wants with it.. after that, it is obviously debateable as it could sustain life on it's own
so I am pro-choice with limits
b~
- Visia0
See what happens when this issue gets revived?
We've already settled this, why bring it up again?
- flagellum0
paraselene,
You yourself participate in plenty of drama here. And seperation of church and state was clearly put in place to keep the state out the church's affairs, not the opposite. What are we to do with Jefferson's tendency to allow Christian worship services take place in governmental offices? You need a more nuanced understanding of the origin of the precept, methinks.