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- planet010
I personally know of many Christian families who have adopted children out of the foster care system. So, from my observation, people are doing something about it. The problem is enormous though.
At the core of the issue though, two wrongs don't make a right.
- neenaw0
World = Small.
People = Lots.
Problem = Imminent.
- gramme0
I think all the pro-lifers need to go and protest war or something. 100s of thousands of people are murdered every year, and you're fighting a birth control procedure.
Mimio
(Jan 23 06, 09:38)Sure, I'm actually against the war in Iraq. But if you call abortion a birth control procedure, then call war 'population control', or some such sanitized term, just so you can be consistent.
- planet010
Her Body? Is that really what you think it is Mr Dobs?
- gramme0
*there is a big difference between birth control: the prevention of conception
and abortion: the destruction of a growing living thing
- randomBboy0
gramme
war is a "biological neccesity" :)
- Mimio0
Of course it's "her body", the fetus wouldn't do very well on it's own would it?
- gramme0
What is your fault, Gramme is quoting people from almost 100 years ago.
That is dishonest.
mrdobolina
(Jan 23 06, 09:39)Well then I guess I can't quote the Constitution.
What constitutes as truth in your estimation, dobs?? Do things become untrue or dishonest after a certain number of years?
- randomBboy0
mimio
taken from my earlier post
at about 24 weeks it can
which is why i am pro-choice with limits
- Visia0
Jeebus, I'm almost sorry we brought the issue up now.
I certainly hope this isn't a preview of parliament if Harper gets in because it'll be a shitstorm and nothing else will get done.
- gramme0
Of course it's "her body", the fetus wouldn't do very well on it's own would it?
Mimio
(Jan 23 06, 09:44)So when does the fetus become a separate entity, in your opinion?
- GreedoLives0
Everybody always acts like women that get abortions do it for fun. As if it's like going to the hairdressers or something.
And if you take away abortion, then what? Go back to the good old days of back alley butcher shops with girls bleeding to death? Is that better? Just like drug use and drinking, this IS going to happen. You can't stop it.
At least this way you can offer counselling and try to talk them into adoption.
- randomBboy0
all my baby books i am reading now say 24 weeks
- gramme0
Maybe when it can fend for it's own? Because that doesn't happen until late teen years at best.
- planet010
This logic has a lot of holes in it. A newborn wouldn't exactly do very well left on its own would it? I know a 'fetus' has a dependency on the mother's biological systems, but how does that define it as part of the mother?
>Of course it's "her body", the fetus wouldn't do very well on it's own would it?
- flagellum0
Comes down to one's underlying world view, ultimately.
If you believe that the child has a purpose for having been conceived (even under less than ideal circumstances), then you will believe that it's life should continue, regardless of his/her status in the womb.
If you believe that we are all just higher primates and that it's an accident that we are here in the first place, then...
- gramme0
I'm not under the illusion that abortion is fun for anyone, Greedolives. I'm fully aware of the physical and emotional trauma involved.
- Mimio0
So dicispler, you obviously agree it's a philosophical issue then.
- Visia0
just to poke shit with a stick:
What about women that are victims of rape?
- spk0
"could be aborted and receive the punishment that is due to the rapist."
-gramme
so you are pro-death penalty. and again proven to be a hypocrite.
did you vote for bush big guy?... you did didn't you.
mr. war, mr. death penalty bush - the man who is probably responsible for more death in the last 5 years than anyone else on earth.
if you and the rest of the pro-birth crowd are so damned worried about fetuses for your faux/conflicted religious reasons (have your read Exodus 21:22?)
why the fuck aren't you following jesus' teachings and helping save the three million kids that die each year for environmental reasons (dirty air, dirty water, sanitation) etc.
http://www.who.int/features/grea…
thats double the number of abortions that occur each year in the USA.
you freaks who are obsessed with a culture of life (despite most being death penalty supporters) which is actually a culture of birth should step up or shut up.