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- robotron3k1
Oh yeah...! Hillary has clarified her statements less than 24 hours later, she reclairfied that currently she is “not running” so there is no doubt people know she is not running right now. But you know she wants a rematch...!
- i need to get you in a room with hannity and you two can tounch ballsBonSeff
- hahaha at bonseffjaylarson
- Why are you so obsessed with her?monospaced
- I'd touch balls w/Hannity... the big lug.PonyBoy
- jay mf'n larsonBonSeff
- hope you're goodBonSeff
- #mushroomcocksucking #magaSalarrue
- the only time I hear about Hillary is on this website, posted by robo.inteliboy
- She's a GILF, what's not to love....robotron3k
- ********1
- Obama was a fucking maniac for thinking he could wear that.
Imagine he came out wearing a baseball cap with a slogan on it?PhanLo - That Trevor Noah...robotron3k
- Yup. Noah is rad. Hilarious and honest and a good American through and through.monospaced
- Obama was a fucking maniac for thinking he could wear that.
- robotron3k-2
You thought Brexit was nuts... Looks like the Dems want the USA to allow the world to vote for our government.... Lol.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/ne…
House Democrats voted Friday to defend localities that allow illegal immigrants to vote in their elections, turning back a GOP attempt to discourage the practice.
The vote marks a stunning reversal from just six months ago, when the chamber — then under GOP control — voted to decry illegal immigrant voting.
“We are prepared to open up the political process and let all of the people come in,” Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat and hero of the civil rights movement, told colleagues as he led opposition to the GOP measure.
- To call that characterization of what was passed misleading is an understatement. There's a rock somewhere near you. Smash yourself in the face with it.mathinc
- Honestly I have no idea how any of you dumbfucks can make it through a day without accidentally killing yourself.mathinc
- You believe the most insane and untrue shit, then feel the need to spread it far and wide.mathinc
- Could anything go wrong allowing citizens of earth to vote for President of the USA??robotron3k
- Did you not read your own bullshit article? Can you fucking read?mathinc
- It's about non-citizens voting in LOCAL ELECTIONS. The R's voted on some bill in Sept as a token sort of bill. D's called it silly, which it is.mathinc
- Then in your BS article they attribute Lewis' quote about the entirety of the HR1 bill to your little gotcha local election derp derp issue. Whalaa..mathinc
- triggered morons.mathinc
- I mean honestly. Does your phone ding when it's time to take a breath? How you make it through a day befuddles me.mathinc
- The people who write these articles should go to jail for taking advantage of the mentally handicapped. I'm being serious. It's not your fault.mathinc
- well said, mathmonospaced
- #mushroomcockinrobot...Salarrue
- ill back robo on it. any attempt at trying to allow illegals/non-citizen... is a joke. its a political ploy for demographic votes. no reason to allow********
- it . also would introduce a ton of fraudulent opportunity. retarded, but will never become a thing, since it has no basis in a rational arguement.********
- its similar to saying non shareholders have the ability to vote in a company. its laughable. and i love pelosis language around it********
- when did americans become the culture that never says what they say. too many words for obsufucation.********
- When I said LOCAL ELECTIONS, I'm talking about: voting for a school board if your child attends the school.mathinc
- But, no, keep on with the democracy morals while your chosen president takes another shit on the constitution.mathinc
- mathinc, I like youformed
- Well said, math. Point made and held.monospaced
- Your illegal and your child attends public school using public funds and you deserve right to vote? ...********
- Where is the skin in the game. Why is your voice equal to people who pay for those funds? Explain with any reason the equality of voting between non and citizen********
- I understand your small view correctly math you are missing the much larger picture. Especially if local is ok, why not federal? What would the reason be?********
- If I was non-citizen in UK, should i be able to vote on school elections, and also to leave the EU?********
- if not why one and not the other? because school effects me more directly due to child, vs the idea of the nation? seems like arbitrary valuing********
- A rational argument against goes so much further than emotional response. I almost think you got triggered by something********
- "There's a rock somewhere near you. Smash yourself in the face with it." that made me lol. *stealingNairn
- because they work and pay taxes, deathboy, and they are only illegal because the process of becoming legal is so fucked upmonospaced
- there's a big misconception among conservatives that immigrants want to take everything free and not work or pay taxes, but it's simply not truemonospaced
- my response is rational and factual, btw, unlike your triggered onemonospaced
- Also, your child can be 'legal' and the parent may be 'illegal'...mathinc
- they may pay "some" taxes. and it spits in the face of people legally following the rules. and dont hide behind the innocence of a child********
- leave them behind or except they still inherit the sins of the father deal. starting a family illegally you think there is no consequence********
- i say fine them, deport and back of the line. when people cheat and get rewarded personal greed it enables that behavior.********
- hate the game. the more socialist system the more you must have tightened borders or it would create an unbalance of supply and demand.********
- if you had less social programs and rules like minimum wage you would see less desperate migration or adverse effects from migration.********
- aside from natural disasters or war. id love to see more borderless style gov. but that can only work with a better educated populace and less gov control********
- which is funny. you see types like mono who would share the same ends as me but doesn't see the big picture********
- who wants to reward the rule breakers, ignore the ones following protocol and ignore every reason why ppl have an issue with it********
- math this strikes personally for you it seems. i don't know your issues. i feel for you, but im ruled more by reason than feelings.********
- And i think if you are here illegally, which i know some, its in poor form to think you deserve certain rights. I know a couple from********
- over stayed visas who humbly hide in the shadows here than go home. Its a shame we cant take everyone in. Many people here would hate to see the shift in econ********
- onmies and pricing from they are used to. large migration is equivalent to destablization and everyone is naturally protective.********
- did it not occur to you these people don't want to be illegal, and would do anything to be legal if it weren't near impossible? most work and pay taxes, like yomonospaced
- your insistence that they are illegal not only in status, but also in their daily actions and they revel in it is so far from the truth it's not even funny!monospaced
- have you ever talked to an immigrant? a mexican one? You might learn a thing or two about what it's like, trying to become a citizen these daysmonospaced
- I have coworkers from other countries, working and paying taxes in NYC for YEARS (MORE THAN YOU), and are still uncertain of their citizenship!monospaced
- Well put, mono.BonSeff
- It's only 'personal' for me that Robo (and you) can't read. The system failed you. You two shouldn't be allowed to vote, tbh.mathinc
- ok math. I can clearly read. And you know that. You think its cool for illegals to vote in LOCAL ELECTIONS (as you pointed out) On what grounds? I gave reason********
- why locally and federally should be treated the same. I see no grounds or reasoning on your part to treat couples or even illegals with kids differently.********
- where is your arguement for it except stating it should be because I say. A bit crazy dictator style there. Hell you'd even suggest me not being allowed to vote********
- for disagreeing. might check yourself and see if you fall more in the ruling class of Xi Jinping and others********
- here I wouldn't suggest pulling your voting rights because you are a citizen and have direct self interests in this country and are part of the tax system********
- as for mono. i know people who stay past visa, and illegals. Lets say we accept everyone conditioned to a different degree of living than our standard********
- we might see multi families making do in single family homes and also working for less. Its basic econ 101. once the borders are set and rules applied********
- to go against it will cause mass problems. Look at SS built upon a closed growth model or with set immigration. And is failing hard. Add a new stress of********
- immigration. To open immigration now would have the effect of introducing rats to easter island. once rules are set in place they are very hard to fix without********
- large pains. again which I have been telling you forever. your hash tag #thermodynamics you still cant comprehend. Or a theory as sytems get more complex********
- they breakdown more catastrophically. oh and my first job was with illegals. i find them more hardworking than most. another reason im agaisnt minimum wage********
- mono i sure you support minimum wage laws, but that undercuts illegals here. and puts risk on employers for choosing to hire illegals? So where do you stand on********
- wages and illegals... wait you probably say make them legal and enforce minimum wage now stripping them of there value at minimum wage********
- same ol minimum wage is the most anti negro law ever established as friedman would say********
- LOL. I GUARANTEE I understand REAL thermodynamics better than you. That's fucking hilarious.monospaced
- My guess is that you have a 4th grade understanding of the word, at best, and are trying to apply it to a political picture, stripping it of its actual meaning.monospaced
- Your repeated attempts at trying to paint me as ignorant or uneducated, or even slow, are falling flat. I can think circles around you, little buddy.monospaced
- If you even want to start to be taken seriously, why don't you start with the basics of writing? Until then, you are only revealing your limitations.monospaced
- @Deathboy, my main point is that this article does everything in its power to mislead on the issue. Agree?mathinc
- math I cant say i find the actual link to say anything. its more of a bot twitter news report.its like 2 lines, with larger sponsored content underneath it.********
- why im commenting from a broader base assuming you are as well for bigger picture. Heres what i get from the link.********
- House Democrats voted Friday to defend localities that allow illegal immigrants to vote in their elections, turning back a GOP attempt to discourage the practic********
- e. The vote marks a stunning reversal from just six months ago, when the chamber — then under GOP control — voted to decry illegal immigrant voting.********
- that's it.... are we talking about 2 different things we are seeing here?********
- @mono. im sure your educated, it doesn't mean intelligent or of independent thought. you might be just more versed in following what you are told.********
- some sheep have mad following skills. one evidence to support my argument is no attempt to humor political entrophy. you act as non climate change believer.********
- it cant be a thing because you weren't taught it. or your leaders dont a talk about it. you haven't even attempted to rebuke it except by the physics defintiion********
- which clearly im not talking directly of physics, but of physical properties of systems and inherit flaws/function that drive change and cycles.********
- as much as i hate entrophy, it produces rebirth. and no zero sum equality of death or stasis. and dont get offended that you are wrong rise to the challenge********
- to prove it. explain to me why the idea of political entrophy makes no sense? Attempt it at least once. get out of your little hole and expand.********
- entrophy?Nairn
- yes yes i have a habit of mispelling it but hard to confuse it with anything but what im talking about. I also have problems with their/there, than/then.********
- whatthefunk7
- thislowimpakt
- unless type 1, it's because you ate yourself into illness and need to be told you're a lard ass.shapesalad
- That's still no reason to increase the price of a life saving medicine by over %300.zarkonite
- I'm a Type 1 diabetic.. without insurance that shit is really expensive.mathinc
- simply that price is representative of a gov bureaucratic problem. not a free market problem... but we want more gov health controls...********
- no it isn'tmonospaced
- How many insulin providers are accepted by FDA mono? What is the actual production cost? Patents on (basic ham and cheese recipe) rules an regs.********
- How exactly are insulin costs not a product of gov bureaucracy? Hell don't forget even insurance is mandated by gov without tax until this year (whoo hoo)********
- seriously begining to think you are like a hedge guy in looking for conflict. but they at least had an independent view they could back.********
- which makes you a bit more sad :( like the emoticon. dont be that way, step up your game. read up and come back********
- i jealously wish i could have your ignorance mono in just declaring things i want to believe to be true by statements. you have a fools luck. enjoy it********
- #triggeredmonospaced
- #DeflectBecauseNoAns... ProvidedForHimByHisE...********
- Seriously mono its a good chance to learn something about your beliefs. Respond to number of FDA accepted and actual hard costs outside of licensing********
- hell you probably think having a baby costs physical cost is much more than the deductible you paid. What is a typical cost of having a kid since you recently********
- had one with no insurance. what does the insured pay typically, and what the the hospital say it costs? another good learnin opportunity pal********
- come on mono. my "triggered" self was waiting patiently for a rational response? I can only assume non response means you have none.********
- are u simply a troll trying to "trigger" like orazal? because it is starting to look that way. which is fine. orazal was honest with himself********
- so i didnt mind him, but if you are copying him without honesty than, well, its simply sad********
- so triggeredmonospaced
- You can't answer basic questions about arguement so im triggered...no attempt either... a real definitive attempt at trolling. Is it only successful if you********
- believe im upset? And again what makes you think I'm upset and acting our of curiosity of seeing a turd on a rock?********
- Gnash0
Canada’s no-sex, no-money scandal could topple Trudeau."There’s no money, no sex and nothing illegal happened. This is what passes for a scandal in Canada."
- People are fleeing Canada, 991 people walked across the border last year to USA, a jump of 91%!!!robotron3k
- < Found the yawn generator.garbage
- This whole thing has been weird as hell to followGnash
- whatthefunk4
- Anyone fact check all "20" of those hat guys vs probably over a million sold(guessing) vs us population and voting numbers for a better stat********
- seems obvious, but i find nowadays things like this, at least democracts say won trump an election with fake news.********
- i dont see the caps much but i do see a man wearing one who pushes, im guessing father, everyday in a wheel chair down a bike path********
- i walk. ill give it to you they seems like simpletons, but i cant say i'd do that. nice. always smile and give a quick pat to my dog. just smile and say hi********
- would disgust me if some dumb SJW follows this shit and harmed that man. Not mention sometimes walks with what i think is a retarded girl.********
- people need to remember the hat is a representative symbol of the holder. it snot universal as is a nazi swastika from the hindu********
- o_Omonospaced
- brevity ffs.BonSeff
- I can't keep up with these debates. Who won this one? Was it deathboy or deathboy?Fax_Benson
- But, but Hillary emails...
#MAGA Life...Forever!utopian - there was no debate... i pointed out more than likely unfact checked emo driven image to inspire hatred for the symbol of maga hat.********
- id hope everyone can recognize that. but considering "russian trolls" and what not maybe capt obvious needs to swoop in for a win********
- and i added a personal example of alt maga wearer which i'd have issue with if this violence prop effected. shit is that confusing?********
- #entrophymonospaced
- you do know mono all i see when you do that is an admission of nothing to say, and a trump style pocahontas ad hominem to deflect as much. grow up********
- and participate or step off. find something you do well because rational debate is not one of them. perhaps knitting?********
- and reiterate the false values to these hats to promote the idea of violence or hate. up there with a PR campaign to punch any che shirt wearer in the face********
- you are one funny little boy aren't you, all rage and piss and vinegar? You also project like a motherfuck. I said nothing about this hat, whatsoevermonospaced
- I can imagine you all sweaty palmed, bashing your keyboard in a rage of bad grammar and ignorance, with a raging boner for talking shit about me.monospaced
- To clarify, I'm simply just laughing at your borderline incoherent rants which do nothing but expose how damn triggered you get over this shit. Like a child.monospaced
- uh yea i know you didnt mention anything about what i said... hence the pocahontas trump styled response you chose.********
- just making me repeat myself. and your narrative you try to paint is hard to take seriously. 1) no justification or reason again. Where does my writing seem********
- more angry than other writing. Why do you suggest im full of piss and vineagar? In academics you would need to back those with ... well anything********
- And still with all this. If you take my word, im not upset nor have been. More in awe at you like a subject, or something which seems misplaced on a sidewalk********
- or a turd on a rock and wondering how the hell that got there and by what effort. Here i said participate in the conversation and you respond by painting me********
- an upset person who accused you of participating... how did you get there?********
- my hypothesis is you have set behavior patterns based on learned experiences. and my approach is one you haven't been trained to respond to. Leaving you to try********
- just random tacts that have worked in the past at other times when challenged. When really all you have to do is respond to any argument with counter and reason********
- But that's my crazy, rage, keyboard pounding analysis. ARRGGGHHH.********
- and my BS detector says the image id still hella social media fake. who cant tell things like that?********
- Because you’re getting so incredibly triggered over nothing, and clearly angry at me and I didn’t say anything. Jesus.monospaced
- If you want to argue about this stupid hat, go ahead. Leave me out of it.monospaced
- But don’t be surprised if I find your poorly written rants downright hilarious. This is a public forum and you provide serious lolz for my educated friends.monospaced
- Best thing is they don’t get deleted, so I can keep revisiting your hilarity. Especially your 20 post ramblings where you go off the edge. Soooo good.monospaced
- even a turd on a rock can get boring when its simply a turd on a rock without any reason or if the reason is jsut greater attention********
- to be seen. Some people you cant reason with. Some care less about truth and just look for altercation to try and give their boring life meaning.********
- I think you are probably both. I feel bad for your kid. But sometimes stale and shitty environments are the best catalysts for growth.********
- we are laughing so hard at this, and people are having a field day cracking up at what a shit writer you are ... THANK YOU!monospaced
- Putting your comments up on the big screen is like candy over here. People here are good writers, so it's downright hilarious.monospaced
- the only funny thing i wrote is the metaphor about turd on rock. which if one is to laugh at means there is truth which means your pals laugh at you********
- you do see how reason vs emo triggers work right. you are starting to try and troll now without any real understanding of it********
- but guess im done dicking around you. now you have lost your entertainment value********
- Anyone fact check all "20" of those hat guys vs probably over a million sold(guessing) vs us population and voting numbers for a better stat
- R_Kercz3
Good interview with Andrew Yang:
https://shows.pippa.io/wethefift…
- PhanLo0
- all these right wingers that are "all about winning", but then what. neither he or trump had or have a single clue what to do with that all important win...renderedred
- it's patheticrenderedred
- why don´t they show the part where they are drinking the blood of rats in champagne glasses?neverscared
- mathinc0
Sooo, now the GOP wants to pass a bill that clips the emergency powers of the President. There's 14 GOP senators cosigned on this bill that won't apply to the current "emergency." I'm thinking that they're worried about the next Democrat president calling for an emergency. How will we ever know what they're really after?
Oh, I have an idea. If Trump vetos the congress' dismissal of his emergency, these 14 could vote to override his veto.. think it will happen? Stay tuned.
- This is the same shit they pulled in Wisconsin when they lost the governorship to a democrat and passed laws to limit the new governors powers.dorf
- Aight, so Sen. Lee (Utah) stepped up and will vote against Trumps emergency. 13 more to go.mathinc
- im quite ok with less executive power. that has been growing by partisanship for awhile now. Well bush did it so let obama do it more, now trump. weak********
- We agree on something! I'd much rather see congress take back their responsibilities.mathinc
- Yup. I also still didn't see what you mentioned in the immigration article. I literally saw twitter style two lines. So I might be missing what you are talking********
- about. i still remember you a long time ago about emailing me after i think it was a doc and ukit thing. unless your views have shifted we are still********
- on the same page. or at least my views haven't shifted********
- renderedred1
Dear USA, I see your justice system is broke. On a clear recommendation that Manafort should spend at least 10 yrs in jail he gets 90 months. Bullshit all the way... All he needs now is a pardon and he'll get one.
- You only now just watched Making a Murderer on Netflix?monospaced
- I know, it's crazy. Recommended for both cases is 10 yrs and up, and altogether he gets 90 months. Even without pardon he's out in less than 5 yrs.renderedred
- And I just learned he's housed alone in a "VIP" room with TV, computer and all that. That's not jail :)renderedred
- That's like a "timeout" for kids LOLrenderedred
- Manafort has just been indicted by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office..
No pardons if/when convicted.BonSeff - If he's pardoned, he's still facing several years of state charges too. The system is intact.monospaced
- sure, several years instead of at least 20 is a good deal. does the system treat everybody like that?renderedred
- when people cooperate, and name names up the line, and make deals for more information on others, it's VERY NORMAL to get a reduced sentencesmonospaced
- Not to say there aren't major issues, such as having more $ for more lawyers often results in a skewed result. It's just not totally broken, y'know?monospaced
- our incarceration rate is a bit high, its pretty broken. wikipedia has it at 74billion. if you are an investor, wink wink, invest now. emerging market!BonSeff
- for real, its a fucking business.BonSeff
- Lets remember the point of the trial is russia connection. Not to say he's not dirty. He's no different than hilary or bernie sanders wife or almost all********
- politically connected people or even private parties legally finding ways to side step tax law to keep as much money as possible. or joe average writing off a********
- a room as office. He just had more money to make it it look bigger. that said and most people go untouched. this is political********
- and mostly to drive the russia narrative, which i still find fascinating like a clinton pizza dungeon anyone would believe.********
- at the end of the day i hardly follow this crooks story, but think the real narrative is being forgotten or changed.********
- the point of the Manafort Trial and ultimate goal was NOT to find russian collusion, it was to cover his rampant fraudulent actions across the campaign managemmonospaced
- and his "story," which is all true, verified, is one about how trump got where he is today, using corrupt methods and a corrupt man now in prisonmonospaced
- Manafort had nothing to do with the russia investigation? Sources? Was he under investigation for tax evasion unrelated to russia?********
- You arn't honestly saying that this Manafort has nothing to do or primarily with the "russia" did it trump narrative?********
- i accuse you of no independent thought but this sounds super independent and i want to hear it.********
- anything to back this is about manafort and manafort alone with no relation to russia and trump? hmm... or apology?********
- Or ill just accept your non response as apology so all good********
- I'm saying that the MAIN goal of the investigation wasn't solely that. That's all :) My non response was because I have a life on weekends, loser.monospaced
- You insisted the point of the trial was russia collusion. I'm simply pointing out it was corruption in general, including Russia. Get it?monospaced
- I could be an obnoxious dunce like you and ASSume your non response is apology or you admitting you're wrong, but I'm not as stupid as that.monospaced
- and what evidence that is was not corruption investigation started by the russia narrative that you provide...********
- i can cite so many articles where this was started by the "russia" narrative. What sources do you have show this is merely corruption not connected?********
- As much as I hate hand holding for ppl who clearly incapable or don't care. Apathy and ignoring is probably worse off to pointing out how baseless your state********
- ments are. But lets see if you have anything. My guess is you don't.********
- The investigation was about illegal campaign management, PART of which involved russian contacts. But that simply isn't the start and end of it.monospaced
- What this means is that he's going to prison for actual crimes, none of which involve russia. That's a successful investigation.monospaced
- So when you say the point was a russia connection, you're kinda missing the big picture. Manafort was, and is corrupt, and that is what the investigation is of.monospaced
- IF the whole point was russia and only russia, then you might argue the investigation was fruitless? Not even close.monospaced
- Any evidence focused on manafort without the russia collusion angle? That is was unrelated to the narrative and only tax evasion?********
- Are you really denying the motivation for all media narratives along this case? No one cared about manafort, he was a pawn i hopes for russia collusion********
- the idea russia was so SMART they got trump elected as a pawn of russia. All through social media click bait. Have you heard anything stupider?********
- You’re talking about the public not caring. Sure. But I’m talking about the actual investigation. It was a criminal investigation first and foremost.monospaced
- I’m denying that the MANAFORT investigation had Russia at its start and finish. OBVIOUSLY that wasn’t and never was the case.monospaced
- The Russia thing was click bait and part of the campaign but not the core of the corruption or the basis of why Manafort was investigated or imprisoned. Jesus.monospaced
- For more Russia stuff, stay tuned. It’s still not over.monospaced
- And your sources or reasons to believe investigation had no interest in russia collusion to begin with? You say it didnt have russia at start and finish but********
- back it up with anything. Anything that it is manafort tax fraud related and not trump? is this the third time i asked?********
- BonSeff0
This one goes out to those dudes outraged @ the smollett story
World's Stupidest Person Tells on Himself
- I'm grossly fascinated with this idiot. He's a 20-something dipshit, no more, no less, who will hopefully go to jail for messing with the wrong people.mg33
- He probably thinks The Dotard will pardon him. LOL.Ramanisky2
- Boz has a hard on for him.mathinc
- here is a good twitter feed about the grift
https://twitter.com/…BonSeff - he stole some poor realtors profile pic off of IG for his fake acct.
"One of my clients messaged me. My face was making national news for all the wrong reasonsBonSeff
- lowimpakt0
Mike Pence met with the Irish Taoiseach (Prime Minister) ahead of St. Patrick's Day.
He looks puzzled about the other guy standing beside him.
Maybe nobody briefed him that it's the taoiseach's partner .
- BonSeff4
Devastating Beto attack ad:
https://twitter.com/jmillstein/s…- Amazing.mg33
- #skategatesarahfailin
- He's finished. beginning of the end. RIPPhanLo
- #poserPonyBoy
- Fax_Benson0
- Don looking a good 10 years younger than the millennialFax_Benson
- Why the bikini is over the palm skirt?Salarrue
- Under this analogy the millenial is Ulysses that was tied to resist the songs...Salarrue
- So basically this cartoon it illustrates that the capitan is at peril lolSalarrue
- Donald is deaf, he can't hear them.PhanLo
- Fuck, my IQ fell by at least 20 points just looking at this cartoon.Continuity
- https://twitter.com/… Just saw this on twitter about it.allthethings
- So if I'm following the analogy correctly, Trump is Ulysses, which means he's going to be lost for 20 years, get his whole crew killed, and return to find thatallthethings
- he barely knows his wife and son(s). Hey, it works! --best responseallthethings
- ^
!Nairn - Postscript: "As several people pointed out, my reading of the cartoon is wrong. Trump is not Ulysses, the horny Millennial is Ulysses.allthethings
- Trump is one of the sailors who will be killed before returning home"allthethings
- R_Kercz0
Intercepted Podcast: https://theintercept.com/2019/03…
- mathinc6
Just watched the Andrew Yang interview on Joe Rogan's podcast. Really interesting, I like Yang a lot now. Probably old news since it aired over a month ago. But I was totally averse to the idea of universal basic income before hearing him talk about it. He obviously isn't very evolved outside of economics and the American Condition (i.e. with foreign policy).
- chapo did a good summary of yang on their most recent episodecolin_s
- He just qualified for the Primary debates. Very interesting to see what the general public thinks of him and his ideas.R_Kercz
- only 1 hour and 52 minutes? This is a short podcast for Joe Rogan.fooler
- His description of what's happening in this country feels authentically true. Doesn't seem ready to be president to me. Looking forward to the debates.mathinc
- What's funny is if you look at the comments for this video, LOTS of self-proclaimed Trump Republicans saying they would vote for him.mathinc
- Yeah its bizarre...there are people in the actual alt right who are abandoning Trump for him.yuekit
- I guess they view the UBI proposal as helping out of work whites? I haven't seen anything from Yang himself that suggests he is conservative on any issues.yuekit
- should look more towards milton friedman for UBI case. However he also said he had no solution to politicians running on the idea of ever increasing it for vote********
- and at the same time quitting all other social programs and gov jobs involved. no UBI plus welfare and other social safety nets********
- i agree with milton less money would be wasted but also i have no idea how to satiate the greed of politicians and people when it comes to free shit********
- it's a good thing that he appeals to Trump voters - and not that weird. Lots of them voted Trump out of desperation w the Dems' lack of policiesFax_Benson
- https://www.youtube.…********
- a big part of UBI that is being ignored is you need it not as flat rate but as percentage. The biggest problem of flat welfare rate is you penalize anyone who********
- attempts to do better but rises only so slightly or just hits the median. this makes you not even try to rise, because you get paid the same if you fail********
- you can look at indian reservations who took gov money or decided to fore go it for casinos and business********
- if he wants to reintroduce friedman's proposal, as he states im down with. If simplified add on to existing hell no.********
- I would say the problem with existing welfare is more it attempts to control your life. For instance if not working you get unemployment, but if you pick up ayuekit
- freelance job suddenly you're not qualified. This creates perverse incentive not to work.yuekit
- that's what im saying too ukit. friedmans negative income tax was progressive in you only get cut off by a percentage of your gains. You took a job u dont lose********
- all welfare. you actually get wages plus a percentage of the welfare which is more than basic welfare. so you dont get penalized for trying********
- all the current systems, by design or mistake, only are liek opiodes in controlling behavior********
- if time and effort is a risk to barely break even with payment of doing nothing at all, bett to do nothign and sling drugs or illegal work on the side********
- i havent looked to much into yang, so i dont know if hes a milton friedman kind of guy or just idiot aco new deal promising free shit.********
- and dont forget while logical, friedman said there is no way to control ppl trying to get elected calls to raise it regardless of fiscal responsibility********
- people act selfishly period. not so much as rationally. hence socialism. it would consolidate and focus a easy political call to arms********
- as much as i hate chinas social engineering. although we still have our own way of it, maybe be better to shape culture instead of social programs********
- reintroduce western thought and culture. Even wild west. public edu seem focused on public planning. higher edu even worst********
- just a thought towards not treating symptoms but the problems********
- What you're talking about isn't unique to Friedman's version. All basic income proposals would allow you to receive the payments regardless of working or not.yuekit
- I think the difference is that negative income tax cuts off at some point -- if you make above a certain amount.yuekit
- Where as universal basic income like Yang's proposal would be truly universal...everyone gets $1000/month regardless of their income etc.yuekit
- So ukit you think a basic stipend for everyone, billionaire or not, should get 1k a month? That would be different than friedman's proposal and a false********
- solution for so many reasons. It similar in reason but larger in scope of bush tax cuts, refunds.********
- for those not poor just hand out at expense of paying larger taxes. for the poor just more welfare that provides no incentive to work.********
- I think the cap at some point is a carat that benefits lower incomes than proportional to everyone. If everyone gets UBI basically nothing has changed.********
- You could say 1k-100k per month for everyone. Money supply and demand of items would still balance out all the same. A fruitless activity.********
- It would need to be specific to poorer class and the cap would be constantly bombarded by politicians running to raise it with little sense of econ********
- monopoly. instead of passing go u collect 200 you collect 1200. how would that work if prices are not dictated by the board? More money more competition higher********
- prices. looking at simply more money in someones pocket outside larger econ is short sighted.********
- another part of UBI is to fund it is to get rid of all assistance programs. Meaning countless gov jobs. Another political hurdle. What is there 100k jobs relate********
- d to welfare funding and programs for state and fed. Well i guess they get UBI... but any politician wont touch that hot dog********
- I think part of what people like about it is the simplicity. Everyone just gets the same amount -- similar to what they have in Alaska where everyone gets a cutyuekit
- of the oil revenue. Sure you could argue the rich don't need it, but there aren't that many rich people in the grand scheme of things anyway.yuekit
- In terms of whether it's a good idea, my suspicion is that it would be better than the current system because there is a lot of wasted human potential.yuekit
- Yes some people would sit around and get high all day but this would be balanced out by people who previously were trapped in poverty or debt finally beingyuekit
- able to contribute to society. Think of it as venture capital for the entire population. Also probably lower crime rates, health care cost, etc.yuekit
- I do agree that transitioning to such a different system would be difficult. Yang's idea is that if you take the basic income, you have to opt out of otheryuekit
- welfare programs. Unclear exactly how that would work though. And yes it would ultimately involve shrinking the government, because there would be less toyuekit
- administer. This is partly why it can appeal to people on both the left and right.yuekit
- I'm for the simplicity of a system that give a simple liquid source with no string attached as social safety net that enables less overhead********
- but not on board with everyone getting it and not on any sort of percentage based. the idea that giving people all together extra money only inflates costs********
- perhaps drive a FED acceptable inflationary measure over 2%. Offering to all even waterdowns its initial reason for being. And likely has absolute effect with i********
- nflation. Like changing a $1 to a $10 when everyone get the capital, if that makes sense.********
- I think the negative income tax is far superior as a safety net, but it comes with its inherent flaws of a social system to be used for votes in promising more********
- for the masses as social security or even minimum wages is used. plenty of ppl call for 15 without considering local economies********
- Maybe i should ask ukit how you see ppl not being in debt, crime, and all that work out. Do you see prices staying flat as demand grows with influx of money?********
- It's not really an influx of money, it's just taking money from one place (such as other welfare programs) and redistributing it.yuekit
- There might be some inflation, but I don't think it's the case that prices would simply rise by an equivalent amount and erase all the benefit.yuekit
- Because people would spend it on all kinds of different things depending on their needs. If you gave me an extra $1000/month for instance, I wouldn't go out andyuekit
- buy more food, because I already have enough money to buy all the food I need (and most people do). So it's hard to predict exactly what would happenyuekit
- but I don't think it's as simple as you're making it out to be.yuekit
- well yea its not simple. i was merely looking at inflation because i'm not sure there is enough money to satisfy the cost. what is a monthly projection cost and********
- how will it be funded. one thing is most small tests of this have had little positive impact to effect the high costs and dont work out.********
- i think if you take current money with no new taxes, and cost saved by firing gov employees, and divide that by who qualifies********
- it might not look that rosy********
- But if a ton of people lose jobs so people might get 200 bucks a month might be hard to swallow politically. and need some hard constitutional ruling to prevent********
- any more than fixed percentage of gdp. and preventions from raising taxes to increase gdp for work arounds, etc..********
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